Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 SrI: SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah: Dearest Srivaishnavas, Don’t take a simple, single incident of bANasura. How can you say that Rudra can not remove the birth disease? Pasupatha matham declares so.. yEkO rudrO na dwitheeyA thastthE; siva yEva kEvala: Vedas also say. AzhwAr responds: pOdhilmankai poothalakki zhaththithEvi yanRiyum, pOdhuthanku naanmukanma kanavanma kansolil maathuthanku kooRan_ERa thoor_thiyenRu vEthan^ool, OdhukinRa thuNmaiyalla thillaimaRRu raikkilE (72) The lotus seated Mahalakshmi and BhUmi PiraaTTi are His divine Consorts. The chauthur mukha brahmA born out of His lotus navel is His son; the vrishaba vaahanan (one with bull vehicle); ardhanaari (one who shares his half of his body with that of his wife) – Rudran is his (brahmA’s) son. This as declared unambiguously by Vedas is the only truth. If we elaborate we can not get or infer any other statement. In Upanishad, it is said that with the jnAnam of Paramapurusha as the UpAdhAna kaaRanam mOksham can be attained. Paasupatha agamas do not even consider Rudra as the upAdhAna kaaraNam. Sriman Narayanan alone is upAdhAna kaaraNan and nimittha kaaraNan; He is the One who creates everyone and everything- Vedas declare unambiguously and His Paramapurushathvam, Parathvam is declared in Purusha sooktham. SO(S)BhidhyAya Sareeraath swath sisrukshurvi vidhA: prajA: | apa yEva sasanjOdhi: >From his sareeram, He creates everything. Thus He is upAdhAna kaaraNam and nimittha kaaraNam; (material cause and intelligence cause); Purusha means: Vishnu alone; like Sankara means Sivan – says even Skandha purANam. Purusha sooktham declares that he alone is the one who manifests inside and outside everywhere as Narayanan. Purusha is Narayanan – says Purusha sooktham; hreeschathE lakshmIscha pathnyow.. This statement means: Bhumi piraaTTi and Periya PiraaTTi are His divine Consorts. Thus Sriman Narayanan alone is Purushan; Parama purushan. This is the first line of the verse. The second two lines are answer to the question: Vedas also says: Rudran was there during creation (shrushti)? Chauthurmukha brahmA is His son and Rudran is His son’s son. Thus during praLayam, they were not there. How can there be Rudran during praLayam when even his father was not there? We have done great lot of research; we have studied all their religions as well [says AzhwAr]. Listen to this declared truth. It is none other than what Vedas says. He alone is The primordial Chief. Realize that. Ok. Why does Vedas say that rudran was there during shrushti? Yes.. There is such a statement. But it needs to be read in conjunction with all other vedic statement. Misinterpreting them or telling wrong meanings for the line will contradict and violate other statements of Vedas. Rudran menas the one who makes others cry. Sivan means auspicious. pavithrAnAm pavitharamcha mangaLaanaam cha mangaLam.. – says Vishnu sahasranamam. He (Sriman Narayanan) is the most auspicious. He is the One who makes others cry [with the karmic diseases]. Also it can be inferred that it id because of His grace, Rudhran has become Rudhran. He became Auspicous – mangaLam taking the waters (Ganga) from the lotus feet of Thirvikraman. Thus he has incidentally become Sivan. Always Vishnu is mangaLam. Thus achutha Sivan is Narayanan. BrahmA is His Son; Sivan is BrahmA’s son. – is from these following pramANams. padmE dhivyE(S)rkasamkASE nABhyAmuthpADhya mAmApi | ChathurmukhO(S)jAyatha | brukuti kutilAth thasya lalaatAth krOdha dheepithAth| samuthpannasathA rudrO maDhyAhnArkasamaprabha: | arDhanArI naravapu: praChaNdO(S)thiSareeravAn || yath thath padmabhUth poorvam thathra brahmA vyajAyatha | brahmaNsChApi sambhUtha: Siva ithyavaDhAryathAm || Learn from all these pramANams from Vedas that he alone is the Primordial Chief - says AzhwAr. Because Vedas do not accept the Paasupatha, Saiva agamam, Saiva matham – which is a contradiction to Vedic truths. This alone is Truth; - declares AzhwAr. The other versions of Saivam like “Siva is instrumental cause, but Vishnu is material cause” and “Vishnu is instrument and material cause and he grants Moksha, but the goal is Siva” are dismissed by Brahma Sutra and Veda. The Veda has clearly declared the nimitha and upaadaana kaaranams of the universe are only Brahman who is Shreeman Naarayanan “Eko ha vai Naaraayana Aasit NA BRAHMAA NA ISAANA:”. The Chaaga-pasu nyaaya has proved the supremacy of Vishnu only in sruthies like “Siva eva kevala:”, “Sambhu: iDhyeya:”. The sruthi says “Brahma Vishnu Rudrendraasthe sarvam samprasUyanthe”. One must not get confused with this statement. Here the “Birth” of Vishnu is not same as the “birth” of Brahmaa, Rudra, and Indras. The “Birth of Vishnu” is “Avataaram - incarnation”. If it is not accepted like this, then “Eko ha vai Naaraayana Aasit Na Brahmaa Nesaana:” gets contradicted. This is as per “Ajaayamaano Bhahudaa Vijaayate”. The Avataaram of Vishnu is a secret told in Gita’s third chapter. The Lord’s incarnation in Vyuha and Vibhava are divine and are different from our birth. The difference is declared in Bhagavat Geeta also. The Lord incarnates because of his own will and we are born because of our Karma. The Lord does not have any karma. He incarnates and his divine quality like full-fledged Jgnyana (knowledge) does not contract but when we are born, our knowledge gets contracted as per our karma. The Lord incarnates with his divine body (Sudha Satva) and we are born with the material body (mixture of rajas, tamas and satva) according to our karma. The Lord’s birth, which is incarnation, is real. He incarnates during the time when dharma declines and adharma is growing. He destroys adharma and establishes dharma and protects the pious people (Saadhu Jana). Thus is the difference between the Lords birth (incarnation) and birth of souls like Rudra, Brahmaa and Indra who are baddha jeevaatmans like us. Thus the “Aatmaiykya paksham”, “Devataa Iykya paksham”, “Tri Moorthy Saamya Paksham”, “Tri Moorthy Iykya Paksham”, “Anyatra Iswarya Paksham” are simply dismissed by Prastaana Trayam. The Lakshmi Pathi Shreeman Naaraayanan – Vishnu – Vaasudevan is the PURUSHOTHAMAN – Paramaatma – ParamBrahman, Paranjyothis, Paratatvam and he is to be only meditated upon by those who want moksham and he alone grants all the four purushaarthams and worshiped by all karmas. Vishnu is the soul of everything and everything is the body of Vishnu. The history of Maarkandeya also proves the supremacy of Vishnu Thirumazhisai Piraan ThiruvaDigaLE SaraNam Regards Namo Narayana dAsan Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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