Thirucchandhaviruttham-84th verse- Will He let me be born here again? or is this the last birth?

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SrI:

SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah:

Dearest Srivaishnavas,

 

Thus AzhwAr addressed the Lord and mentioned to Him

that it is more enjoyable of your Divine Form in Divya

Desams here than there at Paramapadham. AzhwAr’s

disciple KaNikaNNan prostrated at his feet and queried

with respect.. You have desired to enjoy Him here more

than His form at Paramapadham and what have devareer

[you] desired for here? People perform Saranagati here

and seek to get rid of this birth and attain Salvation

to perform eternal service at His feet and enjoy Him

eternally there.. Is it correct? Please clarify..

 

AzhwAr now addresses to Kanikannan like sishyas in

this verse

 

pinpiRakka vaiththanan_ko

lanRin^inRu than_kazhaRku,

anpuRaikka vaiththan^aaLa

Rinthanan_ko laazhiyaan,

thanthiRaththo ranpilaava

Rivilaatha naayinEn,

enthiRaththi len_kolempi

raan_kuRippil vaiththathE? (84)

 

The Lord- who has divine chakrA in His resplendent

Hand! ChakrapaaNI! Has He decided in his mind to

retain me on this earth and let me born again? Or with

no further births, He would bless me to have

unflinching devotion and love for His Lotus feet and

attain Him at the end of this life itself? On me- the

lowliest self- who has no devotion; nor any jnAnam on

Him- this most compassionate and most merciful Lord –

Sarva saraNyan Sriya: Pathi Sriman Narayanan- what ha

He got in His ThiruvuLLam (mind)?

 

The jNAnam about Him and our eternal sEshathvam to Him

should get growing ever and ever and be associated

with very many births [yEzhEzh piRavikkum

uRROmEyAvOm]. We should be like that in all births;

Those who are well aware of karma, thriguNa

sambahndham and the pitfalls of samsaric affliction

realize that they do lack all this jNanam, bhakti in

them and surrender at His feet unconditionally and

perform Prapatti having His Feet in lieu of bhakti

yogam. And then perform eternal service at his feet.

It is He who blesses them to have that bent of mind

and let them do it..

 

What has He decided on me- this lowliest self- who is

completely devoid of jnAna, bhakti and vairAgyam

[azhwAr means us:]- has He planned to have me here for

further births and let me be deeply immersed in

samsaara saagaram? Or letting me reach Paramapadham at

the end of this birth – seeing that my prArabdham has

shortened- and bless me to perform Saranagati as the

upAya? I do not know what is His thiruvuLLam?

 

Pin piRakka vaitthanan kol- it can also mean: Perhaps

He has blessed me with many further births in which

the devotion for His lotus feet would grow

exponentially in each birth and enjoy being devoted to

Him… Even this lowliest self- neechan- He has blessed

me with further human births and make me be devoted to

Him so that the karmic diseases would get burnt..

 

OR one can also read as : pinbu iRakka vaitthanan

kol.. means: He would let this body get destroyed and

this birth would be last. At the end of this dhEham,

He would bless me with mOkshAnubhavam.

 

How can he be suspicious if AzhwAr knows Saranagati

would get him rid of births? He has not yet performed

Saranagati [He is going to later].

There are only two upAyas (means to attain Him) as per

lord Himself:

 

sAstrAs declare that Bhakti and prapatti are the only

two means (sAdhya upAyAs) by which the baddha

jIvAtmAs can attain moksham , while the Divya Dampati

are the Siddha upAyam.

 

Sriman NArAyaNA Himself,in Ahirbudhnya samhitA

categorically declares:

bhaktyA paramayA vA-pi prapattyA vA mahAmathe

prApyoham na anyathA prApyO mama kainkarya lipsubhihi

"

 

NArAyaNA here clarifies that bhakti and prapatti are

the only means & by no other means will He grant

moksham. So, all other processes like Bhagavad

kalyAna guna Sravanam, nAma sankeertanam, living

at a Divya desam, bathing in pushkarinIs & sacred

rivers etc should culminate in either "bhakti" or

"prapatti" for one to obtain moksham.

 

So, it is not that a highly devoted person would be

deprived of moksham by Sriman nArAyaNA. Such a devotee

would be guided by Sriman nArAyaNA to end up with

either "bhakti" or "prapatti" and thus it is just a

matter of time -may be within that life time or in the

next few births, that he/she would obtain moksham.

 

AzhwAr wonders here: if the Lord would enable him tp

perform bhakti yoga for very many briths or let him

perform Saranagati at His feet and be able to make him

attain the Lotus feet at the end of His life. AzhwAr

mentions his Akinchanyathvam [utter helplessness in

being unable to perform bhakti yoga- as he [claims

that he] lacks jnAnam and bhakti.

 

This is the state of mind of AzhwAr before the upAya

anushtAnam

What a great verse!

Thirumazhisai Piraan ThiruvaDigaLE SaraNam

Regards

Namo Narayana

dAsan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear SrI VaishNavAs:

 

This posting of SrI MadhavakkaNNan is a superb coverage

of many Tatthvams and deep anubhavams dear to AzhwArs , AchAryAs

and therefore to us .

 

SrI MaadhavakkaNNan has been feasting us with his anubhavams

based on PoorvAchArya Commentaries of Prabhandhams for number of years and

has covered huge Prabhandhams of Swamy NammAzhwAr , Thirumangai,

PeriyAzhwAr and now the intensely personal anubhavams of Thirumozhisai

AzhwAr , who cuts thru the haze of Aj~nAnam and Viparitha Jn~Anam of ours.

 

Today's posting covers in depth the most enjoyable experiences of

this AzhwAr who made EmperumAn YathOkthakAri at ThiruvehhA and

Thirukkudanthai. I for one enjoyed today's posting partcularly and

wish for many more such postings from SrI MaadhavakkaNNan .

His AchAryan , HH SrImath PoundarIkapuram Andavan is most

fortunate to have such an exemplary sishyan .

 

SrI Thriumozhisai AazhwAr ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam ,

Daasan , V.Sadagopan

 

-

"Madhavakkannan V" <srivaishnavan

<>; <acharya>;

<nama-singapore>; <Oppiliappan>;

<Srivenugopala>; <desikasampradaya>

Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:03 AM

Thirucchandhaviruttham-84th verse- Will He let me be born here

again? or is this the last birth?

 

 

> SrI:

> SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah:

> Dearest Srivaishnavas,

>

> Thus AzhwAr addressed the Lord and mentioned to Him

> that it is more enjoyable of your Divine Form in Divya

> Desams here than there at Paramapadham. AzhwAr's

> disciple KaNikaNNan prostrated at his feet and queried

> with respect.. You have desired to enjoy Him here more

> than His form at Paramapadham and what have devareer

> [you] desired for here? People perform Saranagati here

> and seek to get rid of this birth and attain Salvation

> to perform eternal service at His feet and enjoy Him

> eternally there.. Is it correct? Please clarify..

>

> AzhwAr now addresses to Kanikannan like sishyas in

> this verse

>

> pinpiRakka vaiththanan_ko

> lanRin^inRu than_kazhaRku,

> anpuRaikka vaiththan^aaLa

> Rinthanan_ko laazhiyaan,

> thanthiRaththo ranpilaava

> Rivilaatha naayinEn,

> enthiRaththi len_kolempi

> raan_kuRippil vaiththathE? (84)

>

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SrI:

SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah:

Dear Sri Sadagopan Swamin,

 

Please dAsan's ananthakOTi praNamams.

It is Swami's vaathsalyan on this seelamillA siRiyOn

that has made adiyEn's posting palatble to devareer.

 

aDiyEn does crude [and sometimes wrong as well-

unknowingly] translation in hurried manner- due to

work / home pressure and send these posts. It is the

gigantic, marvellous Sri UttamUr Swamy's commentary,

wondreful majestic prabandhams, and asmadhAcharyan's

blessings that has transformed my rambling to little

worthy.

 

we are especially inspired by your indefatigable posts

day after day on Swamy Desikan SrI Sookthis and though

failing always, making attempts to keep pace with

devareer's sheer quantity of posts. [definitely not in

quality].

 

Thanks very much Swami for your liberal words of

praise. Though untrue, the humand mind thinks that at

least some of it could be true and tend to feel happy.

Please bless me with your wishes and asservadhams for

granting me strength for performing such kamikaryams

till my dhEhaavasaanam.. Then, no questions.

vaiguntham puguvadhu vidhiyE...

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Desikan ThiruvaDigaLE SaraNam

Regards

Namo Narayana

dAsan

--- Sadagopan <sgopan wrote:

> Dear SrI VaishNavAs:

>

> This posting of SrI MadhavakkaNNan is a superb

> coverage

> of many Tatthvams and deep anubhavams dear to

> AzhwArs , AchAryAs

> and therefore to us .

>

> SrI MaadhavakkaNNan has been feasting us with his

> anubhavams

> based on PoorvAchArya Commentaries of Prabhandhams

> for number of years and

> has covered huge Prabhandhams of Swamy NammAzhwAr ,

> Thirumangai,

> PeriyAzhwAr and now the intensely personal

> anubhavams of Thirumozhisai

> AzhwAr , who cuts thru the haze of Aj~nAnam and

> Viparitha Jn~Anam of ours.

>

> Today's posting covers in depth the most enjoyable

> experiences of

> this AzhwAr who made EmperumAn YathOkthakAri at

> ThiruvehhA and

> Thirukkudanthai. I for one enjoyed today's posting

> partcularly and

> wish for many more such postings from SrI

> MaadhavakkaNNan .

> His AchAryan , HH SrImath PoundarIkapuram Andavan is

> most

> fortunate to have such an exemplary sishyan .

>

> SrI Thriumozhisai AazhwAr ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam ,

> Daasan , V.Sadagopan

>

> -

> "Madhavakkannan V" <srivaishnavan

> <>;

> <acharya>;

> <nama-singapore>;

> <Oppiliappan>;

> <Srivenugopala>;

> <desikasampradaya>

> Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:03 AM

> Thirucchandhaviruttham-84th verse- Will He

> let me be born here

> again? or is this the last birth?

>

>

> > SrI:

> > SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah:

> > Dearest Srivaishnavas,

> >

> > Thus AzhwAr addressed the Lord and mentioned to

> Him

> > that it is more enjoyable of your Divine Form in

> Divya

> > Desams here than there at Paramapadham. AzhwAr's

> > disciple KaNikaNNan prostrated at his feet and

> queried

> > with respect.. You have desired to enjoy Him here

> more

> > than His form at Paramapadham and what have

> devareer

> > [you] desired for here? People perform Saranagati

> here

> > and seek to get rid of this birth and attain

> Salvation

> > to perform eternal service at His feet and enjoy

> Him

> > eternally there.. Is it correct? Please clarify..

> >

> > AzhwAr now addresses to Kanikannan like sishyas in

> > this verse

> >

> > pinpiRakka vaiththanan_ko

> > lanRin^inRu than_kazhaRku,

> > anpuRaikka vaiththan^aaLa

> > Rinthanan_ko laazhiyaan,

> > thanthiRaththo ranpilaava

> > Rivilaatha naayinEn,

> > enthiRaththi len_kolempi

> > raan_kuRippil vaiththathE? (84)

> >

>

>