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Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:37:41 +0800 "Haresh Balasubramaniam"

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to question on Sri Ganesha on Sri Ranga Sri sri:

srimate ramanujaya namah:

srimate vendanta gurave namah:

srimate rangapriya mahadesikaya namah:

Dear Sri Nagaraj,

Let me attempt to answer your question as best as I can :

Vishwaksena is the alter-ego of Narayana.He is the commander in chief

of Vishnu's army.Of moonlike complexion,he is four armed and is the

destroyer of all difficulties( or obstacles).Sri Vaishnavas worship

Vishwaksena in place of Lord Ganesha or Kartikeya.

There are many elephant headed and horse headed soldiers with 'Sri

Vishwaksena', who is the supreme controller of Paramapadam, the

divine abode of Lord Vishnu. All these elephant headed soldiers, it

is said, are having two tusks according to Panchara:thra Agama

scriptures. It is also mentioned that there are several hundreds of

such Gajananas in the battallions of Sri Vishwaksena.

Contrary to a " Thumbikai Azhwar " ( Ganesh with Thiruman but carrying

paasam and angusam) created by some modern day temple managers ,

Vishwaksena bears all the similar lakshanams to Mahavishnu such as a

" human form" with four arms bearing the shankha and chakra along

with a staff .The shloka describing his Thirumeni or divine form is :

vishwakse:nam sakala vibudha prowdda sainya:dhi na:dham

mudra: chakre: karathala yuge: sankha dande: dadha:nam |

me:gha sya:mam sumani makutam pi:thavasthram subha:ngam

dhya:ye:th de:vam dalitha danujam su:thravathya: same:tham ||

In both Vaikanasa Agama and Pancharatra Agama, Vishwaksena is accorded

the first place in worship as the one who drives the negative forces

away before the commencement of an auspicious event.

It is also interesting to note that the Vaikanasa Sutras do speak of a

" Dwara Ganapati" that is to be installed along with Nagaraja ( the

form of a 5 hooded serpent with the image of nardhana krishna

superimposed on it ) at the entrance of the Rajagopuram.This Ganapati

is having the same form of Parvati Putra - however the representation

of Dwara Ganapati serves a role similar to that of a kaval devathai (

similar to a security guard at the lobby of governement buidling) and

this Ganapati's position does not supercede that of Vishwaksena - who

will still have his shrine in the place where we would expect to find

one of Ganesh in a Siva temple.

Therefore in place of Ganesh all Sri Vaishnavas will worship

Vishwaksena only.Vishwaksena is also one of the acharyas in our

Acharya Parampara - the third acharya starting from

Srimannarayana.This also makes Vishwaksena special to all Sri

Vaishnavas.He not only removes obstacles in our material path but

also in spiritual life paving the way for the divine knowledge.

However there is nothing wrong in acknowledging the presence of a

Ganesh deity if seen in passing- as prapannas we can only respect

Ganesh as an exlated soul subservient to Bhagavan but not equal to

Him.This concept - we need to keep at the forefront of out thoughts

whenever we see other devatas also - like Kartikeya,Siva,etc.We are

not required to offer pujas,etc to them , wear the basmam or consume

the prasadam from such a shrine.

Hope this clarifies your doubt.

Srimannarayana Dasosmi

Message: 13 Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:06:50 -0700

"nagaraj"

Lord Ganesha

Namaskaram

I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3 time

but none of them have replied.

Pl guide me.

jai ram,

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I need some clarifications on this. So I have just listed out what I

thougt. If I am wrong someone please give me more explanation and

please excuse me.

If Lord Vishwaksena is replacing Lord Ganesha then why are we

performing Ganapthi Pooja before any important pooja or even take Sri

Vishnu Sahasranamam. It has got Shukalam Bharadram as its first

stanza.

Also from you note down if we should not consume prasadam from a Lord

Shiva Shrine then Lord Sri Rama & Lord Shri Krishna himself

worshipped Lord Shiva. So where does this stand. The Lord himself

built a Temple for Lord Shiva and has accquired his blessings.

 

"However there is nothing wrong in acknowledging the presence of a

Ganesh deity if seen in passing- as prapannas we can only respect

Ganesh as an exlated soul subservient to Bhagavan but not equal to

Him.This concept - we need to keep at the forefront of out thoughts

whenever we see other devatas also - like Kartikeya,Siva,etc.We are

not required to offer pujas,etc to them , wear the basmam or consume

the prasadam from such a shrine."

Adiyen

Narayanan Shiyamalann

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Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:37:41 +0800 "Haresh Balasubramaniam"

<hareshb (AT) singnet (DOT) com.sg> <gnagraj (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> response

to question on Sri Ganesha on Sri Ranga Sri sri:

srimate ramanujaya namah:

srimate vendanta gurave namah:

srimate rangapriya mahadesikaya namah:

Dear Sri Nagaraj,

Let me attempt to answer your question as best as I can :

Vishwaksena is the alter-ego of Narayana.He is the commander in chief

of Vishnu's army.Of moonlike complexion,he is four armed and is the

destroyer of all difficulties( or obstacles).Sri Vaishnavas worship

Vishwaksena in place of Lord Ganesha or Kartikeya.

There are many elephant headed and horse headed soldiers with 'Sri

Vishwaksena', who is the supreme controller of Paramapadam, the

divine abode of Lord Vishnu. All these elephant headed soldiers, it

is said, are having two tusks according to Panchara:thra Agama

scriptures. It is also mentioned that there are several hundreds of

such Gajananas in the battallions of Sri Vishwaksena.

Contrary to a " Thumbikai Azhwar " ( Ganesh with Thiruman but carrying

paasam and angusam) created by some modern day temple managers ,

Vishwaksena bears all the similar lakshanams to Mahavishnu such as a

" human form" with four arms bearing the shankha and chakra along

with a staff .The shloka describing his Thirumeni or divine form is :

vishwakse:nam sakala vibudha prowdda sainya:dhi na:dham

mudra: chakre: karathala yuge: sankha dande: dadha:nam |

me:gha sya:mam sumani makutam pi:thavasthram subha:ngam

dhya:ye:th de:vam dalitha danujam su:thravathya: same:tham ||

In both Vaikanasa Agama and Pancharatra Agama, Vishwaksena is accorded

the first place in worship as the one who drives the negative forces

away before the commencement of an auspicious event.

It is also interesting to note that the Vaikanasa Sutras do speak of a

" Dwara Ganapati" that is to be installed along with Nagaraja ( the

form of a 5 hooded serpent with the image of nardhana krishna

superimposed on it ) at the entrance of the Rajagopuram.This Ganapati

is having the same form of Parvati Putra - however the representation

of Dwara Ganapati serves a role similar to that of a kaval devathai (

similar to a security guard at the lobby of governement buidling) and

this Ganapati's position does not supercede that of Vishwaksena - who

will still have his shrine in the place where we would expect to find

one of Ganesh in a Siva temple.

Therefore in place of Ganesh all Sri Vaishnavas will worship

Vishwaksena only.Vishwaksena is also one of the acharyas in our

Acharya Parampara - the third acharya starting from

Srimannarayana.This also makes Vishwaksena special to all Sri

Vaishnavas.He not only removes obstacles in our material path but

also in spiritual life paving the way for the divine knowledge.

However there is nothing wrong in acknowledging the presence of a

Ganesh deity if seen in passing- as prapannas we can only respect

Ganesh as an exlated soul subservient to Bhagavan but not equal to

Him.This concept - we need to keep at the forefront of out thoughts

whenever we see other devatas also - like Kartikeya,Siva,etc.We are

not required to offer pujas,etc to them , wear the basmam or consume

the prasadam from such a shrine.

Hope this clarifies your doubt.

Srimannarayana Dasosmi

Message: 13 Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:06:50 -0700

"nagaraj"

Lord Ganesha

Namaskaram

I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3 time

but none of them have replied.

Pl guide me.

jai ram,

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Dear Sir,

 

I would try to reflect on ur first question.

 

Suklam Bharadaram refers to Lord Vishnu only. It is

NOT to Ganesha as no where his name is mentioned in

the firts Stanza...We, combined it with Agaza... and

attributed to Ganesha..Request learned members to

throw more light...

 

Jayakrishna.

--- nana_mur <nana_mur wrote:

> Sir,

>

> I need some clarifications on this. So I have just

listed out what I thougt. If I am wrong someone please

give me more explanation and please excuse me.

> If Lord Vishwaksena is replacing Lord Ganesha then

why are we performing Ganapthi Pooja before any

important pooja or even take Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam.

It has got Shukalam Bharadram as its first stanza.

> Also from you note down if we should not consume

prasadam from a Lord Shiva Shrine then Lord Sri Rama &

Lord Shri Krishna himself worshipped Lord Shiva. So

where does this stand. The Lord himself built a Temple

for Lord Shiva and has accquired his blessings.

>

> "However there is nothing wrong in acknowledging the

presence of a Ganesh deity if seen in passing- as

prapannas we can only respect Ganesh as an exlated

soul subservient to Bhagavan but not equal to Him.This

concept - we need to keep at the forefront of out

thoughts whenever we see other devatas also - like

Kartikeya,Siva,etc.We are not required to offer

pujas,etc to them , wear the basmam or consume the

prasadam from such a shrine."

>

> Adiyen

> Narayanan Shiyamalann

>

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> sri:srimate ramanujaya namah:srimate vendanta gurave

namah:srimate rangapriya mahadesikaya namah:Dear Sri

Nagaraj,Let me attempt to answer your question as best

as I can :Vishwaksena is the alter-ego of Narayana.He

is the commander in chief of Vishnu's army.Of moonlike

complexion,he is four armed and is the destroyer of

all difficulties( or obstacles).Sri Vaishnavas worship

Vishwaksena in place of Lord Ganesha or

Kartikeya.There are many elephant headed and horse

headed soldiers with 'Sri Vishwaksena', who is the

supreme controller of Paramapadam, the divine abode of

Lord Vishnu. All these elephant headed soldiers, it is

said, are having two tusks according to Panchara:thra

Agama scriptures. It is also mentioned that there are

several hundreds of such Gajananas in the battallions

of Sri Vishwaksena.Contrary to a " Thumbikai Azhwar "

( Ganesh with Thiruman but carrying paasam and

angusam) created by some modern day temple managers ,

Vishwaksena bears all the similar lakshanams to

> Mahavishnu such as a " human form" with four arms

bearing the shankha and chakra along with a staff

..The shloka describing his Thirumeni or divine form is

: vishwakse:nam sakala vibudha prowdda sainya:dhi

na:dhammudra: chakre: karathala yuge: sankha dande:

dadha:nam |me:gha sya:mam sumani makutam

pi:thavasthram subha:ngamdhya:ye:th de:vam dalitha

danujam su:thravathya: same:tham ||In both Vaikanasa

Agama and Pancharatra Agama, Vishwaksena is accorded

the first place in worship as the one who drives the

negative forces away before the commencement of an

auspicious event.It is also interesting to note that

the Vaikanasa Sutras do speak of a " Dwara Ganapati"

that is to be installed along with Nagaraja ( the form

of a 5 hooded serpent with the image of nardhana

krishna superimposed on it ) at the entrance of the

Rajagopuram.This Ganapati is having the same form of

Parvati Putra - however the representation of Dwara

Ganapati serves a role similar to that of a kaval

devathai ( similar

> to a security guard at the lobby of governement

buidling) and this Ganapati's position does not

supercede that of Vishwaksena - who will still have

his shrine in the place where we would expect to find

one of Ganesh in a Siva temple.Therefore in place of

Ganesh all Sri Vaishnavas will worship Vishwaksena

only.Vishwaksena is also one of the acharyas in our

Acharya Parampara - the third acharya starting from

Srimannarayana.This also makes Vishwaksena special to

all Sri Vaishnavas.He not only removes obstacles in

our material path but also in spirit

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