Significance of 3 knots at the time of Maangalyadhaarana

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""Ashok"" <ashok_q; <>

Monday, July 12, 2004 5:58 PM

Re: Significance of 3 knots at the time of

Maangalyadhaarana

 

 

> Dear Bhagavathaas,

>

> There are many ways of looking at the significance of

> 3 (knots) of mangala sUtra, a symbols of sacred union

> between a man and a woman:

>

> Union of mind, body and soul.

> United in manasaa (mind), kaaya (deeds)-vaaca (words).

> Because two different family members (mother and sister) are involved in

tieing the knot besides the groom, it means, they too approve of the union.

> Taapa trayam (marriage brings problems!), the three knots help to

> tie down the problems.

> Prasthaana thrayams (brahma sUtra, UpaniSHat, gItA).

> AUM

> ThrimUrthis.

> Rahasya thrayams.

> TrayI vidhya (samhita, brAhmaNa, and araNyaka).

> Past, present and future are united.

> To remind husband to perform trikaala sandhyavandanam!

> 1-2-3 gO.

>

> dAsan

>

> K. Sreekrishna Tatachar

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/9/2004 11:37:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ashok"

<ashok_q writes:

>

> >Hello to all,

> >There was a query recently asking for the significance of putting 3

> >knots at the time of Maangalyadhaarana.

> >I have not been able to find any specific explanation to the three

> >knots, except that this symbolises the integration in mind and soul

> >of three important parties to the sacred marriage.

> >The first knot apparently, symbolises the unity between the husband

> >and wife and the firm commitment to each other through the marital

> >bondage. This is amply borne out in all the rituals of the marriage;

> >The second knot symbolises the unification and firm commitment to

> >the two families; The third one, which is normally tied by the

> >sister, is the reciprocal commitment and assurance of the boy's side

> >to the girl's prosperity and well being and the progeny brought

> >through this bondage.

> >If any of the group members get a diiferent interpretation, please

> >let me know.

> >Also apologies please, if i am incorrect in mentioning the above

> >significance.

> >

> >Ashok from Ras-Al-Khaimah, U.A.E.

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Respected members:

 

To the best of this writer's limited knowledge, there is no reference to

'maangalayadharana' (or the sister-in-law tying one knot etc.) in the

Vedas / scriptures. At best we may conclude this so-called 'ritualistic

practice' is of a more modern import say circa a few hundred years perhaps.

The intrepretations may be numerous, but there is no conclusive scriptural

confirmation. What the texts have however, referred at various points is

that a valid marriage must mandatorily be solomonised with agni as the

witness which is still being followed.

 

Also, among the intrepretations given below, certainly it cannot be for

reminding the husband to perform the trikala Sandhya. This is a nitya karma

which sticks to the man the moment as a kid he dons the sacred thread and

hears the sacred Gayathri. It then becomes a habit coursing through the

veins of the person so to say. The mandates of the Vedas cannot be

forgotton,nor do they require reminders. Especially, when he is about to

get married he should be very well grounded with the Sandhya requirements.

 

Om tat sat

tat tvam asi

 

 

 

 

Sadagopan

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Significance of 3

07/13/04 05:24 knots at the time of

Maangalyadhaarana

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I have taken the liberty of copying it to Oppiliappan

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V.Sadagopan

 

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<tatachar

""Ashok"" <ashok_q; <>

Monday, July 12, 2004 5:58 PM

Re: Significance of 3 knots at the time of

Maangalyadhaarana

 

 

> Dear Bhagavathaas,

>

> There are many ways of looking at the significance of

> 3 (knots) of mangala sUtra, a symbols of sacred union

> between a man and a woman:

>

> Union of mind, body and soul.

> United in manasaa (mind), kaaya (deeds)-vaaca (words).

> Because two different family members (mother and sister) are involved in

tieing the knot besides the groom, it means, they too approve of the union.

> Taapa trayam (marriage brings problems!), the three knots help to

> tie down the problems.

> Prasthaana thrayams (brahma sUtra, UpaniSHat, gItA).

> AUM

> ThrimUrthis.

> Rahasya thrayams.

> TrayI vidhya (samhita, brAhmaNa, and araNyaka).

> Past, present and future are united.

> To remind husband to perform trikaala sandhyavandanam!

> 1-2-3 gO.

>

> dAsan

>

> K. Sreekrishna Tatachar

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/9/2004 11:37:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ashok"

<ashok_q writes:

>

> >Hello to all,

> >There was a query recently asking for the significance of putting 3

> >knots at the time of Maangalyadhaarana.

> >I have not been able to find any specific explanation to the three

> >knots, except that this symbolises the integration in mind and soul

> >of three important parties to the sacred marriage.

> >The first knot apparently, symbolises the unity between the husband

> >and wife and the firm commitment to each other through the marital

> >bondage. This is amply borne out in all the rituals of the marriage;

> >The second knot symbolises the unification and firm commitment to

> >the two families; The third one, which is normally tied by the

> >sister, is the reciprocal commitment and assurance of the boy's side

> >to the girl's prosperity and well being and the progeny brought

> >through this bondage.

> >If any of the group members get a diiferent interpretation, please

> >let me know.

> >Also apologies please, if i am incorrect in mentioning the above

> >significance.

> >

> >Ashok from Ras-Al-Khaimah, U.A.E.

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s.ramachandran [s.ramachandran]

Tue 7/13/2004 6:24 PM

sgopan

Cc: Ponnappan; tatachar; ashok_q

Re: Re: Significance of 3 knots at the time

of Maangalyadhaarana

 

 

 

 

 

Respected members:

 

To the best of this writer's limited knowledge, there is no reference to

'maangalayadharana' (or the sister-in-law tying one knot etc.) in the

Vedas / scriptures. At best we may conclude this so-called 'ritualistic

practice' is of a more modern import say circa a few hundred years perhaps.

The intrepretations may be numerous, but there is no conclusive scriptural

confirmation. What the texts have however, referred at various points is

that a valid marriage must mandatorily be solomonised with agni as the

witness which is still being followed.

 

Also, among the intrepretations given below, certainly it cannot be for

reminding the husband to perform the trikala Sandhya. This is a nitya karma

which sticks to the man the moment as a kid he dons the sacred thread and

hears the sacred Gayathri. It then becomes a habit coursing through the

veins of the person so to say. The mandates of the Vedas cannot be

forgotton,nor do they require reminders. Especially, when he is about to

get married he should be very well grounded with the Sandhya requirements.

 

Om tat sat

tat tvam asi

 

 

 

 

Sadagopan

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Re:

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07/13/04 05:24 knots at the time of

Maangalyadhaarana

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Dear SrIman Krishna Tatachar :

Thanks very much for this note .

I have taken the liberty of copying it to Oppiliappan

List for information .

V.Sadagopan

 

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<tatachar

""Ashok"" <ashok_q; <>

Monday, July 12, 2004 5:58 PM

Re: Significance of 3 knots at the time of

Maangalyadhaarana

 

 

> Dear Bhagavathaas,

>

> There are many ways of looking at the significance of

> 3 (knots) of mangala sUtra, a symbols of sacred union

> between a man and a woman:

>

> Union of mind, body and soul.

> United in manasaa (mind), kaaya (deeds)-vaaca (words).

> Because two different family members (mother and sister) are involved in

tieing the knot besides the groom, it means, they too approve of the union.

> Taapa trayam (marriage brings problems!), the three knots help to

> tie down the problems.

> Prasthaana thrayams (brahma sUtra, UpaniSHat, gItA).

> AUM

> ThrimUrthis.

> Rahasya thrayams.

> TrayI vidhya (samhita, brAhmaNa, and araNyaka).

> Past, present and future are united.

> To remind husband to perform trikaala sandhyavandanam!

> 1-2-3 gO.

>

> dAsan

>

> K. Sreekrishna Tatachar

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/9/2004 11:37:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ashok"

<ashok_q writes:

>

> >Hello to all,

> >There was a query recently asking for the significance of putting 3

> >knots at the time of Maangalyadhaarana.

> >I have not been able to find any specific explanation to the three

> >knots, except that this symbolises the integration in mind and soul

> >of three important parties to the sacred marriage.

> >The first knot apparently, symbolises the unity between the husband

> >and wife and the firm commitment to each other through the marital

> >bondage. This is amply borne out in all the rituals of the marriage;

> >The second knot symbolises the unification and firm commitment to

> >the two families; The third one, which is normally tied by the

> >sister, is the reciprocal commitment and assurance of the boy's side

> >to the girl's prosperity and well being and the progeny brought

> >through this bondage.

> >If any of the group members get a diiferent interpretation, please

> >let me know.

> >Also apologies please, if i am incorrect in mentioning the above

> >significance.

> >

> >Ashok from Ras-Al-Khaimah, U.A.E.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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-Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha.

 

I agree with the views expressed by Sri Ramachandran.

 

There is no mention of Mangalya dharanam in Valmiki Ramayanam.

Janaka is said to have given 'dattam' to Rama by pouring sacred water

on his hand that held Sita's hand. While doing so, he declared that

from thenceforth Sita become his saha dharma pathni who would follow

him for ever.

 

In 'Varanamayiram'pasuram, Andal speaks about 'kaiththalam pattral'

(pANi grahaNam)and not about mangalya dharanam. So it seems we can

safely assume that until Andal's times, that is about 1000 years ago,

this practice was not in vogue. It is believed that mangalya dharanam

was prevalent in tamil society but we must check with ancient books

in Tamil to know about this.

 

Another interesting information is that the practice of waering nose

ring (mookkuthi) was not in vogue until Muslim invasion. The old

sculptures of women orof women deities in temples in Tamil nadu do

not pose a nose ring. No jewel indiacting a nose ring had existed in

ancient tamil works. Kamban's Sita did not wear a nose ring. kamban

speaks elaborately about all the jewellery that Sita wore at the time

of her wedding. But nowhere there is a mention of nose ting. I would

like to know whether it is the same in VAlmiki RAmayana also.

 

 

jayasree.

 

 

-- In Oppiliappan, s.ramachandran@h... wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Respected members:

>

> To the best of this writer's limited knowledge, there is no

reference to

> 'maangalayadharana' (or the sister-in-law tying one knot etc.) in

the

> Vedas / scriptures. At best we may conclude this so-

called 'ritualistic

> practice' is of a more modern import say circa a few hundred years

perhaps.

> The intrepretations may be numerous, but there is no conclusive

scriptural

> confirmation. What the texts have however, referred at various

points is

> that a valid marriage must mandatorily be solomonised with agni

as the

> witness which is still being followed.

>

> Also, among the intrepretations given below, certainly it cannot be

for

> reminding the husband to perform the trikala Sandhya. This is a

nitya karma

> which sticks to the man the moment as a kid he dons the sacred

thread and

> hears the sacred Gayathri. It then becomes a habit coursing

through the

> veins of the person so to say. The mandates of the Vedas cannot be

> forgotton,nor do they require reminders. Especially, when he is

about to

> get married he should be very well grounded with the Sandhya

requirements.

>

> Om tat sat

> tat tvam asi

>

>

>

>

 

>

Sadagopan

 

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> ""Ashok"" <ashok_q>; <>

> Monday, July 12, 2004 5:58 PM

> Re: Significance of 3 knots at the time of

> Maangalyadhaarana

>

>

> > Dear Bhagavathaas,

> >

> > There are many ways of looking at the significance of

> > 3 (knots) of mangala sUtra, a symbols of sacred union

> > between a man and a woman:

> >

> > Union of mind, body and soul.

> > United in manasaa (mind), kaaya (deeds)-vaaca (words).

> > Because two different family members (mother and sister) are

involved in

> tieing the knot besides the groom, it means, they too approve of

the union.

> > Taapa trayam (marriage brings problems!), the three knots help to

> > tie down the problems.

> > Prasthaana thrayams (brahma sUtra, UpaniSHat, gItA).

> > AUM

> > ThrimUrthis.

> > Rahasya thrayams.

> > TrayI vidhya (samhita, brAhmaNa, and araNyaka).

> > Past, present and future are united.

> > To remind husband to perform trikaala sandhyavandanam!

> > 1-2-3 gO.

> >

> > dAsan

> >

> > K. Sreekrishna Tatachar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 7/9/2004 11:37:11 AM Eastern Daylight

Time, "Ashok"

> <ashok_q> writes:

> >

> > >Hello to all,

> > >There was a query recently asking for the significance of

putting 3

> > >knots at the time of Maangalyadhaarana.

> > >I have not been able to find any specific explanation to the

three

> > >knots, except that this symbolises the integration in mind and

soul

> > >of three important parties to the sacred marriage.

> > >The first knot apparently, symbolises the unity between the

husband

> > >and wife and the firm commitment to each other through the

marital

> > >bondage. This is amply borne out in all the rituals of the

marriage;

> > >The second knot symbolises the unification and firm commitment to

> > >the two families; The third one, which is normally tied by the

> > >sister, is the reciprocal commitment and assurance of the boy's

side

> > >to the girl's prosperity and well being and the progeny brought

> > >through this bondage.

> > >If any of the group members get a diiferent interpretation,

please

> > >let me know.

> > >Also apologies please, if i am incorrect in mentioning the above

> > >significance.

> > >

> > >Ashok from Ras-Al-Khaimah, U.A.E.