Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Sri: A knowledgeable member has asked me to forward this message on his behalf. Replies may be directed to the oppiliappan list. ramanuja dasan, -Shreyas - > > > Please see http://www.gitasupersite.iitk.ac.in/ for the Bhagavad gita > bhAShyas of various Acharyas > > yAnti devavratAH devAN pitRR^in yAnti pitRvratAH > bhUtAni yAnti bhUtejyO yAnti madyAjinO'pi mAm ||9.25|| > > A rough literal translation would be > "The votaries of the devas go to the devas, the votaries of the manes > reach them. Those who worship the bhUtas go to the bhUtas and those who > worship me come to me." > > Sankaracharya's bhAShya here: > "yAnti gacchanti, devavratAH dEvEShu vratam niyamO bhaktiShcha yeShAm te > devavratAH| pitRR^in yAnti pitR^i-vratAH ShrAddhAdi kriyAparAH > pitR^ibhaktAH| bhUtani *vinAyAka*-mAtR^igaNa-chatubhaginyAdIni yAnti > bhUtejyAH --bhUtAnAm pUjakAH| yAnti madyAjinaH madyajanashIlAH > *vaishNavAH* mAm eva yAnti| *samAnE api AyAsE* mAm *eva* na bhajanti > *ajnAnAt* tena te alpa-phala-bhAjAH bhavanti ityarthaH| na kEvalam > madbhaktAnAm *anAvRitti-lakshaNam anantaphalam* sukArAdhanashcha aham" > > English Translation of Sri Sankaracharya's Sanskrit Commentary - Swami > Gambhirananda (an advaitin from Ramakrishna Mutt)" > > Deva-vratah, votaries of the gods, those whose religious observances > [Making offerings and presents, circumambulation, bowing down, etc.] and > devotion are directed to the gods; yanti, reach, go to; devan, the gods. > > Pitr-vratah, the votaries of the manes, those who are occupied with such > rites as obsequies etc., who are devoted to the manes; go pitrn, to the > manes such as Agnisvatta and others. > > Bhutejyah, the Beings such as *Vinayaka*, the group of Sixteen (divine) > Mothers, the Four Sisters, and others. > > And madyajinah, those who worship Me, those who are given to worshipping > Me, the devotees of Visnu; reach mam, Me alone. Although the effort > (involved) is the same, still *owing to ingorance* they do not worship *Me > exclusively* . Thereby they attain lesser results. This is the meaning. > 'Not only do My devotees get the everlasting result in the form of > *non-return* (to this world), but My worship also is easy.' > ---------------------- > > English Translation of Sri Sankaracharya's Sanskrit Commentary - Swami > Gambhirananda (an advaitin from Ramakrishna Mutt) > > "Deva-vratah, votaries of the gods, those whose religious observances > [Making offerings and presents, circumambulation, bowing down, etc.] and > devotion are directed to the gods; yanti, reach, go to; devan, the gods. > > Pitr-vratah, the votaries of the manes, those who are occupied with such > rites as obsequies etc., who are devoted to the manes; go pitrn, to the > manes such as Agnisvatta and others. > > Bhutejyah, the Beings such as *Vinayaka*, the group of Sixteen (divine) > Mothers, the Four Sisters, and others. > > And madyajinah, those who worship Me, those who are given to worshipping > Me, the devotees of Visnu; reach mam, Me alone. Although the effort > (involved) is the same, still *owing to ingorance* they do not worship *Me > exclusively* . Thereby they attain lesser results. This is the meaning. > 'Not only do My devotees get the everlasting result in the form of > *non-return* (to this world), but My worship also is easy." > ---------- ---- > > > At face value it seems like the context does not even demand exclusive > bhakti to Vishnu (the word "eva = only" is conspicuous by its absence). > Moreover Sankaracharya could have easily translated this as "one who > worships the nirguNa brahman reaches nirguNa brahman alone" (as he has > done at other places when the word mAm occurs). Not only does he say that > people who worship Vishnu exclusively will get moksha he says people who > worship others (he specifically gives the example of Vinayaka) will not. > He further points out that even if the methods of pUjA are the same and > the effort required is the same, worship of Vishnu alone is the purport of > this statment. > > Other advaitin subcommentators like Sridhara Swami and Sri Madhusudana > Sarasvati make this amply clear (though to be fair they were well known > for their Vaishnava leanings). Madhusudana Saraswati eplicitly uses the > word "devatAntara" which I thought was an exclusively Sri Vaishnava usage > till I read it. > > This is not to misappropriate Sankaracharya or other advaitAcharyas as > supporting us but one must note that exlusive devotion to Vishnu is > neither something that only "dualists" do out of parochialism (since they > don't understand that in the end "All is One") nor is it something that > belongs in the realm of theology (as against philosophy).That > Sankaracharya chose to casually add words that the context seemingly did > not demand (and not bother to offer explanations as he does elsewhere) > shows that this understanding was atleast reasonably widespread amongst > vedAntins so that very few (if any) would have objected. Sankaracharya has > done exactly this at a few other places in his Bhagavad Gita bhAShya as > well.Interestingly enough Ramanujacharya has chosen not to comment that > this verse implies the necessity of exclusive devotion to Vishnu. > > We must be all be committed to learning the Truth under the feet of our > Acharyas. That the Shiva-Vishnu etc fight was hardly sectarian as long as > it was confined to Vedantins can be clearly seen by the way Acharyas have > approached this matter in the past. It is laity like us who have dragged > it into something akin to other ridiculous fights prevalent like God is > greater than Allah. Towards that end we must get rid of preconceived > notions and try to determine what the Scriptures say by approaching our > respective Acharyas. As a final note one must atleast follow what Tridandi > Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji repeats often : "Respect all but worship your own" > > dasan > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! 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