Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 SrI: SrimathE Ramanujaya Nama: Pranams: Regarding anya devatha worship, adiyen is having a doubt. Adiyen read a posting (may be a posting dated 2 years back)regarding Saraswathi pooja. If adiyen remembers correct, in place of Saraswathi pooja vaishnavites are to do Sri Hayagreeva pooja. Adiyen doubt is - can a vaishnavite especially who had the baghyam of Saranagathi, keep the picture of Sri Saraswathi along with Perumal and Thayar? Some one told adiyen that there is nothing wrong to keep the picture of Sri Saraswathi with Perumal and Thayar. Adiyen will be very greatful for clarification. Dasan Srinivasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Oppiliappan, "malaseenu" <malaseen@o...> wrote: Regarding anya devatha worship, adiyen is having a doubt. Adiyen read > a posting (may be a posting dated 2 years back)regarding Saraswathi > pooja. If adiyen remembers correct, in place of Saraswathi pooja > vaishnavites are to do Sri Hayagreeva pooja. Adiyen doubt is - can a > vaishnavite especially who had the baghyam of Saranagathi, keep the > picture of Sri Saraswathi along with Perumal and Thayar? Some one > told adiyen that there is nothing wrong to keep the picture of Sri > Saraswathi with Perumal and Thayar. Adiyen will be very greatful for > clarification. > Dasan Srinivasan ************** Dear members, In the past few weeks I've been closely following the thread of discussion on this subject both on this list as well as 'SriRangasri' group. The subject of 'anya-devata arAdana' has been debated earlier also many times in the Bhakti list years ago (often ending in needless acrimony). Amongst SriVaishnavites everywhere in the world this topic is very, very controversial -- it's the proverbial red rag for the bull. The discussions, both past and present, always end up in more heat than light and in the process many good and kind-hearted correspondents get slighted or hurt. Take the case of the above member, for example. The above correspondent, for example, obviously is a good devotee of Saraswati. Alongwith other 'arAdana murthi-s' he is probably already having a portrait of the Goddess in his 'puja' and offering it worship faithfully for many years. Now after witnessing the debate on 'anya-devata-arAdana' on the internet, a serious doubt has arisen in his mind and completely besieged it ("Should I keep the portrait or 'vigraham' of Sarasvati in my puja room alongwith the main 'nitya-arAdana-murthi' of say, Lord Narayana, Rama or Krishna?"). I'm sure now our good friend will go on worrying about this matter 'ad infinitum' until he gets a resolution for his doubt. Everytime he now looks at the Sarasvati idol in his puja, I'm sure the grave doubt festering inside his mind will simply encroach upon the space within his heart where earlier there was only pure unalloyed devotion and worshipful attitude. Furthermore, if at the end of this great debate on the lists, our good member receives more enlightenment about the perils of "anya- devata-arAdana' and the grave strictures against it contained in the 'sAstra', one can be sure, our poor friend will come close to contemplating the eviction of the portrait of Goddess Sarasvati from his 'puja'. If such an event were to really come to pass, one can imagine how heavy with feelings of complex guilt and anxiety his heart would be... It would be a sad and heart-breaking thing indeed for a devotee to discard, all of a sudden, an object of worship that he/she had been tending with loving care all the years... ************* Bhakti is a rare and precious feeling. It is also extremely fragile. The feelings of Bhakti residing inside the deepest quarters of a devotee's heart may be compared to a little sapling. It does not grow by itself. It needs careful, patient tending. It is seeded by the Almighty, no doubt, but it is the devotee himself, through his own efforts, who must cultivate the sapling of Bhakti. It is slow, painstaking toil akin to farming. It takes years. Objects of worship - - like an idol or portrait of even a so-called "anya-devata" in one's home -- all only serve to help the devotee in much the same way as the plough or sickle serves the farmer. We may look upon them as simply tools and implements with which the devotee ('upAsaka') patiently ploughs the field within his heart ("akAsa-hrdaya" is the special Vedic term for it) in order to reap the final harvest of Bhakti. I think it would be useful if paused and asked ourselves what really, in the final analysis, is the harvest we hope to reap -- Bhakti itself or the implements that aid in Bhakti-realization? ************* Whatever may be the sectarian denomination we belong, we should all know that our faith has one common root -- the Vedas. The Vedas unequivocally say that there is but One God but his forms and functions are manifold ("yAni nAmAni gowNaNi vikhyAtAni mahAtmA", says the Vishnu Sahasranamam). The One God, is not given any special names; the Upanishads has for Him one name only -- 'Brahman'. But the same Vedas also reveal the reality of a number of lesser gods and goddesses that are ensouled by this very Brahman. These gods and goddesses are never antithetical or antagonistic to Brahman but subservient to Him. They only carry out the many great and glorious functions ('vyUhA-s' and 'leelA-s') of the Brahman. The glory of the Almighty Brahman is not one bit diminished when praise of His lesser forms -- be they gods or goddesses -- is sung. The glory of the agent ("dEvata") only adds to, not diminish, the glory of the principal ("purusha"). This is the reason why the Vedas pay homage, through wonderful hymns of revelation called "sUktam-s", to even lesser gods and goddesses. It is the reason why we find "sUktam-s" in the Vedas being sung in praise for what might seem to be (for the uninitiated) a rather overcrowded pantheon of gods and goddesses -- like "vishnu-suktam", "rudram", "navagraha- suktam", "nakshatra-suktam", "medhA-suktam", "sarasvati- sUktam", "durga-sUktam", "neelA-sUktam" etc.... When you read these "sUktham-s" you will notice that in each of them the 'devata' is being hailed as though it were the Supreme Deity. When you read the "vishnu-sUktam" you see Vishnu being hailed as the Supreme One. When you read the "rudram" you see Rudra being hailed as the Supreme One. This does not mean the Veda 'sUktam' is equivocating. The Vedas must never be mistaken to be saying one thing one moment and another thing in the other ... The 'suktam-s' must be understood rather to be celebrating a particular function or facet (amongst countless others) of the one and same Brahman. Vishnu for example represents the function of cosmic sustenance. Rudra represents the function of cosmic destruction. Brhaspati represents the function of cosmic regulation and order. Varuna represents the physical forces of the Cosmos. Lakshmi, the Vishnu-patni, represents the function of cosmic compassion. Sarasvati represents the function of cosmic intelligence... and so on and so forth... ************* If we understand well the above essential aspect of the Vedic faith, we will not have any difficulty in understanding the theological pitfalls in 'anya-devata-arAdana'. The worship of a particular 'function, aspect or facet' of the Almighty is quite valid. As ordinary people keen to cultivate devotion, our worship of gods/goddesses may serve really well to kindle Bhakti within our hearts. Such worship surely does help strengthen in the long-run an attitude of worship and adoration within us. Such worship in fact leads us slowly but certainly to a superior form of worship --- the worshipful contemplation of the Supreme One ("brahmOpAsana"). That indeed is true Bhakti, for it is directed towards the the One supreme Reality, the Brahman of the Vedas. ************ All said and done, my humble advice to our good member- friend above is therefore simply this: Do not give up your practice of worship or 'upAsana' of Sarasvati. Do give an important place to the portrait of this Goddess in your 'puja'. Do not discard Sarasvati who is but a representation of the power and function of Cosmic Intelligence. Your efforts will not go in vain. You need have no doubts about this. But while doing so, please keep in mind constantly (and all our great Vedantic "AchAryAs" attest to this fact) that there will come a time, a certain moment in life, when your intense 'upAsana' will have gradually moved to a more lofty plane ... a plane of experience where you will be enabled to apprehend the reality of a greater Cosmic Entity -- the One Supreme Brahman, the One reality the Upanishad describes as "sa ekah"... 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 SrI: Dear SrI Srinivasan : DEvi Saraswathi is a daughter in law of SrIman NaarAyaNa in our sampradhAyam. She has an identity of Her own in Vedic Parlance ( Saraswathi, ILA , BHArathy ) of which there are postings in the Oppiliappan Archives . DEvi Saraswathi and Her role in Kaanchi VaradarAjan's aavirbhAvam (appearnace ) at Hasthigiri in response to the Aswamedha Yaj~nam performed by Brahama DEvan along with His dharma Pathni , Saraswathi is central to the Sthala PurANam of Kaanchipuram VaradarAja PerumAL . She is still flowing as Vegavathy river near Kaanchi and the sthOthram of " VegAsEthu SthOthram " by Swamy Desikan saluting the Lord teaching His furious daughter in law a lesson by taking the form of a dam (SEthu) to stop Saraswathi's angry flow as a river to destroy the AswamEdha Yaagam of Her husband is linked to YathOktha Kaari PerumAL"s sthala purANam . Here at Lord YathOktha Kaari's PerumAL Sannidhi , DEvi Saraswathi is sitting at the sacred feet of the reclining Lord ( as the SEthu) and performing Kaimkaryams for Her Father-in-Law with folded hands even today . Therefore , Saraswathi DEvi is in the Garbagraham there and we recognize Her there . Saraswathi and Her connection to the birth of SrImath RaamAyaNam through Her blessings to Sage Vaalmiki is also an important factor to recognize Her for Her VidhyA granting powers , which was blessed to Her by Swamy Hayagreevan ( SrI HayagrIva SthOthram , where Swamy DEsikan states clearly that Both SrI DakshiNA Moorthy and Saraswathi DEvi got their glories as blessing one with Jn~Anam through a small portion of the powers of Lord HayagrIvan , as the seat and source of all VidhyAs . Saraswathi's power is therefore derivative of the primary power ). Sarawathi DEvi has one more aspect as the recognizer of AchArya RaamAnujA's BhAshyam at Kaanchi and naming it as SrI BhAshyam . She presented the ArchA Moorthy of Lord Lakshmi HayagrIvan to AchArya RaamAnuja , which became the AarAdhana Moorthy of Swamy Desikan an is worshipped today by the ParakAla Matam Jeeyars . We have now come a full circle starting from Saraswathi DEvi to Lord HayagrIvan . These are the reasons for worshipping Lord HayagrIvan over Saraswathi DEvi as the AarAdhana Moorthy for VidhyA GrahaNam . Having a picture of Saraswathi in Pooja graham with the Lord is more reminiscent of YathOktha Kaari Sannidhi , where both the Lord and Sarawathi Devi are seen together . As long as one keeps in mind that SrIman NaarayaNan is Para DEvathi and is the indweller of all including Saraswathi and other Jeevans , the power of prapatthi does not diminish . V.Sadagopan ----- Original Message : "malaseenu" <malaseen <Oppiliappan> Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:41 PM Anya devatha worship / Sri Saraswathi Pooja > SrI: > SrimathE Ramanujaya Nama: > > Pranams: > > Regarding anya devatha worship, adiyen is having a doubt. Adiyen read > a posting (may be a posting dated 2 years back)regarding Saraswathi > pooja. If adiyen remembers correct, in place of Saraswathi pooja > vaishnavites are to do Sri Hayagreeva pooja. Adiyen doubt is - can a > vaishnavite especially who had the baghyam of Saranagathi, keep the > picture of Sri Saraswathi along with Perumal and Thayar? Some one > told adiyen that there is nothing wrong to keep the picture of Sri > Saraswathi with Perumal and Thayar. Adiyen will be very greatful for > clarification. > > Dasan Srinivasan Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Dear swamin: I am answering with a very little knowledge which I obtained from trivial sources. Please pardon me if it is wrong or misleading. The short answer for your question is NO. The long answer can be explained by juxtaposing it with a real life example (this was also quoted in one of the replies to this thread in this/other lists). Saranagathi is kind of wedding, occurring between the baghawathas and the supreme Lord. This is quite analogous to human wedding were a kanya is getting married to a purusha. In her post-wedding life, will it be ethical for ANY reason for the bride to approach any other purusha for any benefit (Please don’t extend is realistic analogy any further. This analogy is just given to increase the efficacy of this communication)? Just how the kanya will believe and depend only on her pathi to provide all benefits, all prapannans (those who had surrendered themselves) should rely only on Sriman Narayanan and her consort AND NO ONE ELSE… Secondly, what will be the benefit of worshiping a demigod, when a more supreme power is available? Regards, - Adiyen > > malaseenu [malaseen (AT) optonline (DOT) net] > Thursday, July 15, 2004 06:11 > Oppiliappan > Anya devatha worship / Sri Saraswathi Pooja > > SrI: > SrimathE Ramanujaya Nama: > > Pranams: > > Regarding anya devatha worship, adiyen is having a doubt. Adiyen read > a posting (may be a posting dated 2 years back)regarding Saraswathi > pooja. If adiyen remembers correct, in place of Saraswathi pooja > vaishnavites are to do Sri Hayagreeva pooja. Adiyen doubt is - can a > vaishnavite especially who had the baghyam of Saranagathi, keep the > picture of Sri Saraswathi along with Perumal and Thayar? Some one > told adiyen that there is nothing wrong to keep the picture of Sri > Saraswathi with Perumal and Thayar. Adiyen will be very greatful for > clarification. > > Dasan Srinivasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Srimthe Ramanujaya Namaha! Sashtanga Dandavath Pranamams. In the context of Saraswathy Puja and Prapanna's approach, I have come across some interesting information about Mallinatha Suri's commentary on Naishadha kavyam. Commenting on 47th Shloka of 7th Sarga, the famous commentator, makes following observation. "Sarsvathya Vishnupathneethvam puraana prasiddam. TathA chArchAsvapiDrushyathE. Yatha Purushottamasya Jagannathasya Parshve LaksmeeSarasvathyau" He seems to have found Sarasvathy as wife of Vishnu in Puranas. Second thing is in Some JAgannatha Kshetram JAgannatha seems to be flanked by Laksmi and Saraswathy. While, this can not be certainly Puri Jagannatha kshetram (?), is it possible that he was referring to Mukthi Narayan kshetra where, I believe, the local people believe that the Lord NArayana is accompanied by LAkshmi and Sarasvathy. Could you through more light on it? Dasoham Srinivasadasa Sadagopan <sgopan (AT) computer (DOT) net> wrote: SrI:Dear SrI Srinivasan :DEvi Saraswathi is a daughter in law of SrIman NaarAyaNa in our sampradhAyam.She has an identity of Her own in Vedic Parlance ( Saraswathi, ILA , BHArathy ) ofwhich there are postings in the OppiliappanArchives .DEvi Saraswathi and Her role in Kaanchi VaradarAjan'saavirbhAvam (appearnace ) at Hasthigiri in response tothe Aswamedha Yaj~nam performed by Brahama DEvanalong with His dharma Pathni , Saraswathi is centralto the Sthala PurANam of Kaanchipuram VaradarAjaPerumAL . She is still flowing as Vegavathy river near Kaanchi and the sthOthram of " VegAsEthu SthOthram " bySwamy Desikan saluting the Lord teaching His furiousdaughter in law a lesson by taking the form of a dam (SEthu)to stop Saraswathi's angry flow as a river to destroythe AswamEdha Yaagam of Her husband is linked toYathOktha Kaari PerumAL"s sthala purANam .Here at Lord YathOktha Kaari's PerumAL Sannidhi , DEvi Saraswathi is sitting at the sacred feet ofthe reclining Lord ( as the SEthu) and performing Kaimkaryams for Her Father-in-Law with folded hands even today . Therefore , Saraswathi DEvi is in the Garbagraham there and we recognize Her there .Saraswathi and Her connection to the birth of SrImath RaamAyaNam through Her blessings to Sage Vaalmiki is also an important factor to recognize Her for Her VidhyA granting powers ,which was blessed to Her by Swamy Hayagreevan( SrI HayagrIva SthOthram , where Swamy DEsikanstates clearly that Both SrI DakshiNA Moorthy and Saraswathi DEvi got their glories as blessing one with Jn~Anam through a small portion of the powers of Lord HayagrIvan ,as the seat and source of all VidhyAs . Saraswathi'spower is therefore derivative of the primary power ). Sarawathi DEvi has one more aspect as the recognizer of AchArya RaamAnujA's BhAshyam at Kaanchiand naming it as SrI BhAshyam .. She presented the ArchA Moorthy of Lord Lakshmi HayagrIvanto AchArya RaamAnuja , which became the AarAdhanaMoorthy of Swamy Desikan an is worshipped todayby the ParakAla Matam Jeeyars .We have now come a full circle starting from Saraswathi DEvi to Lord HayagrIvan . These are the reasons for worshippingLord HayagrIvan over Saraswathi DEvi as the AarAdhanaMoorthy for VidhyA GrahaNam ..Having a picture of Saraswathi in Pooja graham withthe Lord is more reminiscent of YathOktha KaariSannidhi , where both the Lord and Sarawathi Deviare seen together .As long as one keeps in mind that SrIman NaarayaNanis Para DEvathi and is the indweller of all includingSaraswathi and other Jeevans , the power of prapatthidoes not diminish .V.Sadagopan ----- Original Message :"malaseenu" <malaseen (AT) optonline (DOT) net>To: <Oppiliappan>Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:41 PM Anya devatha worship / Sri Saraswathi Pooja> SrI:> SrimathE Ramanujaya Nama:> > Pranams:> > Regarding anya devatha worship, adiyen is having a doubt. Adiyen read> a posting (may be a posting dated 2 years back)regarding Saraswathi> pooja. If adiyen remembers correct, in place of Saraswathi pooja> vaishnavites are to do Sri Hayagreeva pooja. Adiyen doubt is - can a> vaishnavite especially who had the baghyam of Saranagathi, keep the> picture of Sri Saraswathi along with Perumal and Thayar? Some one> told adiyen that there is nothing wrong to keep the picture of Sri> Saraswathi with Perumal and Thayar. Adiyen will be very greatful for> clarification.> > Dasan Srinivasan > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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