Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Dr. Narender Reddy : Thanks for your suggestion to stay away from "attributing limited things to limitless ". Archai (Consecrated images are some thing unique . Like the Lord's AvathAra Rahsyams (Six points ) have to be understood properly so that we do not go astray , the power of Consecrated Moorthys at the temple have to be disengaged from the material in which the Lord has descended . It has been said that the Cow possessing milk in all its limbs releases the nourishing milk thru its udders only . So does the consecrated Moorthys release BhagavAn's saannidhyam and KaaruNyam to those who seek refuge thru the Moola and Uthsava BhErams created by Rishis (Aarsham ) , the Lord (Svyam Vyaktham ), humans (Maabusham ) and DEvAs for worship - The SaaLagrama Moola BhErams as at SrIrangam , ThiruveLLUr are yet another unique forms , where the SaaLagramams themselves are pervaded by SrIman NaarAyaNan . Once we think of Ph and other things , we will be way out of track . There are however rigorous prescriptions for selection of the granite or metal or wood , which are known to the Sthapathis and Aagama experts. V.Sadagopan - "Narender Reddy" <reddynp "Sudarshan K Madabushi" <mksudarshan2002; <> Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:13 PM Re: Re: Moolavar > Jai Sriman Narayana! > > The moolavars in other temples may be an idol sujected > to the laws of physics, etc., but the Sri Moola > Vigrahas in Vaishnava Temples are an incarnation > (archavatharam)of Lord Sriman Narayana. He is beyond > these physical laws. Yes, for outsiders could analyze > Him using physical laws, but we know that He has > infinite power and infinite ways beyond the laws of > physics. Let us not accumulate sin by discussing and > attributing limited things to the limitless. > > Thanks > Narender P. Reddy > > > > --- Sudarshan K Madabushi > <mksudarshan2002 wrote: > > Dear Bhagavatas: > > As mentioned in aan earlier posting, it would be > > helpful if some PramaaNams from our scriptures could > > be cited in support of the scientific explanations. > > Moderator > > > ============================================================================ === > > > > > > , Maya Iyengar > > <maya_s1717> > > wrote: > > > I wish to hear from fellow devotees their opinion > > about this and > > the reasons for use of lime stone and wood in some > > temples. What do > > aagamaas say about the choice of granite and other > > substances? > > > Regards, > > > Maya. > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > The forwarded article is very interesting. If the > > experiments > > described are true, we now have at hand a sound (pun > > un-intended) > > scientific justification for idolatry. > > > > But it also makes one wonder about another thing. > > > > If the granite inside the sanctum is so very > > important -- in terms > > of 'pH factor', 'acoustic' and 'ionic' conductivity > > etc. etc. -- then > > perhaps the time has come for us to leave the > > 'moolavar-vigraham-s' > > in our temples alone? Perhaps, we should no more > > overburden 'moolavars' with all manner of > > "aabharaNam-s" (jewellery > > of gold, diamond, precious gemstones, what not)? > > Surely, all the > > heavy jewellery covering the idol (head-to-foot as > > in some of our > > temples) must be negatively interfering with, why > > even diminishing, > > all the positive energy the granite is said to > > generate? > > > > Can scientific-minded members please throw some > > light? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > dAsan, > > Sudarshan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Dear Sri Reddy, While I certainly respect the view expressed -- that one cannot always apply laws of physics to temple iconography and worship -- I'm sorry I'm unable to see the connection you seek to make between mere discussion of the matter and "sin". It's a complete 'non sequitor', I should think. Mere mention of "sin" or "apachAram" is enough to scare away all discussion and exchange of views even when sparked (as in this case) by academic curiosity on the part of members and their need to learn from each other through our forum. Don't you agree, Sir, it would be far better to just objectively state the case, either for or against, a particular issue (by quoting "pramANam", references, expert reports etc) and leave the members to make their own judgment? Why frighten participants with 'sin' and holy retribution when all they are seeking is ordinary answers to ordinary questions? Yours respectfully, dAsan, Sudarshan --- Sadagopan <sgopan wrote: > Dr. Narender Reddy : > > Thanks for your suggestion to stay > away from "attributing limited things > to limitless ". > > Archai (Consecrated images are some thing > unique . Like the Lord's AvathAra Rahsyams > (Six points ) have to be understood properly > so that we do not go astray , the power of > Consecrated Moorthys at the temple have to be > disengaged from the material in which the Lord > has descended . > > It has been said that the Cow possessing > milk in all its limbs releases the nourishing > milk thru its udders only . So does the consecrated > Moorthys release BhagavAn's saannidhyam > and KaaruNyam to those who seek refuge > thru the Moola and Uthsava BhErams created > by Rishis (Aarsham ) , the Lord (Svyam Vyaktham ), > humans (Maabusham ) and DEvAs for worship - > The SaaLagrama Moola BhErams as at SrIrangam , > ThiruveLLUr are yet another unique forms , > where the SaaLagramams themselves are > pervaded by SrIman NaarAyaNan . > > Once we think of Ph and other things , we > will be way out of track . There are however > rigorous prescriptions for selection of the granite > or metal or wood , which are known to the Sthapathis > and Aagama experts. > > V.Sadagopan > - > "Narender Reddy" <reddynp > "Sudarshan K Madabushi" > <mksudarshan2002; > <> > Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:13 PM > Re: Re: Moolavar > > > > Jai Sriman Narayana! > > > > The moolavars in other temples may be an idol > sujected > > to the laws of physics, etc., but the Sri Moola > > Vigrahas in Vaishnava Temples are an incarnation > > (archavatharam)of Lord Sriman Narayana. He is > beyond > > these physical laws. Yes, for outsiders could > analyze > > Him using physical laws, but we know that He has > > infinite power and infinite ways beyond the laws > of > > physics. Let us not accumulate sin by discussing > and > > attributing limited things to the limitless. > > > > Thanks > > Narender P. Reddy > > > > > > > > --- Sudarshan K Madabushi > > <mksudarshan2002 wrote: > > > Dear Bhagavatas: > > > As mentioned in aan earlier posting, it would be > > > helpful if some PramaaNams from our scriptures > could > > > be cited in support of the scientific > explanations. > > > Moderator > > > > > > ============================================================================ > === > > > > > > > > > , Maya Iyengar > > > <maya_s1717> > > > wrote: > > > > I wish to hear from fellow devotees their > opinion > > > about this and > > > the reasons for use of lime stone and wood in > some > > > temples. What do > > > aagamaas say about the choice of granite and > other > > > substances? > > > > Regards, > > > > Maya. > > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > > > The forwarded article is very interesting. If > the > > > experiments > > > described are true, we now have at hand a sound > (pun > > > un-intended) > > > scientific justification for idolatry. > > > > > > But it also makes one wonder about another > thing. > > > > > > If the granite inside the sanctum is so very > > > important -- in terms > > > of 'pH factor', 'acoustic' and 'ionic' > conductivity > > > etc. etc. -- then > > > perhaps the time has come for us to leave the > > > 'moolavar-vigraham-s' > > > in our temples alone? Perhaps, we should no more > > > overburden 'moolavars' with all manner of > > > "aabharaNam-s" (jewellery > > > of gold, diamond, precious gemstones, what not)? > > > Surely, all the > > > heavy jewellery covering the idol (head-to-foot > as > > > in some of our > > > temples) must be negatively interfering with, > why > > > even diminishing, > > > all the positive energy the granite is said to > > > generate? > > > > > > Can scientific-minded members please throw some > > > light? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > dAsan, > > > Sudarshan ______________________ India Careers: Over 65,000 jobs online Go to: http://.naukri.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Dear Dr.Gururaj, Our PraNAms to you. You have Said what nesds to be told candidly. I salute you & your narration of THE FACT - "The Truth". EmberumAnAr Thiruvadigale Saranam. Kombur Vankipuram Madhavan. --- "Dr.Gajaraj" <gajarajk wrote: > Dear Bhagawatas: > > Please forgive me and ignore the following if my view > is wrong, I don’t want to hurt anyone. Please take it > as view of some one. > > This is my comment or view in response to the > enlightening article on Moolavar. > > Please forgive me for the way of writing… > > There is no need of science, when you listen to music, > when you kiss your child or sitting in a rose garden > and enjoying the beauty of the rose. Certainly we > don’t have to bring science here. > > A group of scientist liked the music and they want to > see the music, and had to dissect the music > instrument, musician body and as usual the scientists > beautifully described their discovery: our study > indicates that wood, metal string, skin, bone flesh > and blood are the components of music. The physical > dimensions of all the components are given in Table 1, > in case of all the biological material taken from the > musician DNA sequence information to all possible > scientific analysis is done and summarized in Table 2. > > > The result presented in this study demonstrates that > in music formation, human tissues and remaining does > not contribute to music formation investigated to any > greater extent. However our results might not reflect > the actual music configurations in vivo a detail study > required in order to see the actual music. > > Similarly to see the beauty of a Rose the Rose needs > to be dissected and all the dimensions, origins, DNA, > RNA, extraction analysis of individual components of > Rose may be found as written in any botanical > encyclopedia but you will eventually loose the beauty > of the flower you have to kill the rose to learn its > science, you have to destroy or kill the musician or > instrument to learn how the music is formed. > > The best thing ever said about a Rose is, > A Rose is a rose is rose… > Please don’t say anything more than that then it is > absolutely not the rose it is about the rose family, > property, chemical structure of the active ingredients > and so on... > > Please note Moolavar is also made in various materials > where they don’t perform thriumanjanam (no water is > put) and it is not made by granite or any kind of > stone it is mixture of various materials such as > kadukai, I don’t want to say or remember and no need > to know also. > > Moolvar is there in totality just enjoy the beauty of > Moolavar and perform what you have been asked to > perform or follow the procedures followed by the > saints. Scientific knowledge is absolutely required > in many areas, and not required in some fields. > There are 1000000000 topics could be found to do > scientific research but one must select the relevant > to help the society, there is no need to do research > on topics such as chicken came first or egg came first > ? my answer is god came first. > Both are there just enjoy the beauty without > disturbing them, absolutely not necessary to do > research on such topics > > By trying to measure the constituents of moolavar you > and trying to give some scientific explanation for > what you find and we will not see the god and we will > not see the music and we will not find beauty of the > rose. Similarly when you kiss your child just kiss > don’t bring science here, the scientist will tell you > so many germs you will transmit and infect the child > and so on… not necessary to do research on this topic > just kiss and enjoy, just enjoy the Moolavar dharsan. > > There is no need of pH meters, mass spectrometers, > X-ray and crystallographic studies required in > deities. > > My sincere apologize if I hurt any one’s feelings are > thoughts. > > Today when I was performing the Adi Pooram Poojai at > home “ my 5 year old son Vaisnav asked me what is so > special today? > > I told him today is the birthday of this goddess, he > replied me oh cool, how old is she??? And I had no > answer and blanked out for a minute, then told him she > is as old as the earth. > > Sri Andal Thiruvadigaley Saranam. > > Gajaraj > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > ===== Love, Smile and Kind Words - God's great Gift to Mankind. Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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