Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 - "sridharan pillai pakkam nattu" <sri1942 <sgopan Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:17 PM Aswatha vriksham Vs Samsara Vriksham > U.Ve. Sri V.Sadagopan, > Inspite of reading BG Chap 15 on the above topic >from several books, I have > not fully understood >the full significance- Is it possible to give a > Tabular statement of each part of Aswattha >tree and corresponding aspects of Samsara >Vriksham to see one to one correspondence. > Acharyan Thiruvadigale Saranam, > Dasan,P.N.Sridharan Dear Sri Sridharan : Let me share the response to your good question with the other list members . Bhagavaan describes the ever flowing /continuing (avyayam) SamsAra Vruksham as the aswattha ( ever changing )tree with its roots spreading upward ( Urdhva Moolam) and its branches spreading downwards (adha: saakham) .Our Lord describes the leaves on its branches as the Vedams (ChandhAmsi yasya ParNAni ) and concludes by declaring that any one who understands this doctrine will a Veda Vith( One who knows the true purport of the VedAs) . A. This tree is the Prapancham . Its roots are situated above instead of under ground . Why does VedAs describe it this way ? The creator of this Prapancham on the Lord's order is Brahma Devan , who sits above all the 7 lokams . He is the Aadhi for this samsAra Prapancha vruksham . Hence the root of this Tree is Brahma in the upward region (Urdhva Moolam). B. This SamsAric tree has many branches in the region below Brahma .These are the humans , animals and plants created by Brahma according to the jeevan's karma vibhAgam. Hence they are seen as spreading downward (adhO mukham). C. Aswattham means ever changing . It is not the same as it was seen yesterday . D. Aswattham prAhu: This means the VedAs describe it this way : " yEshOswattha : SanAthana: " according to Vedam . E. avyayam : Untill Vivekam and Tatthva Jn~Anam dawns , this SamsAram continues for the humans . That is why it is avyayam ( without end) . When one cuts this samsAra Vruksham with the axe of VairAgyam (nonattachment ) , this samsaric Tree is destroyed . F.ChandhAmsi yasya PrNAni: The reference is to the leaves of this SamsAric tree , which are the Veda BhAgams dealing with Kaamya KarmAs of Karma KaaNDam . Here some one asks for Phalan thru performance of a Yaj~nam . Once he gets those phalans that he sought , then he is mired further in SamsAram . The leaves here hide the true nature of the SamsAric tree and keep it growing forever for all except the Tatthva Jn~Ani. G. Ya: tamm Veda sa Vedavith : One who understands these truths comprehends the VedAs (Veda BhAgams dealing with Moksham and nishkAmya karmA's phalan ). The means for cutting this samsAric tree to get deliverance (Moksham) are Veda Siras ( Upanishads) . The upadEsam is that the root of the SamsAra Vruksham is in the Brahma lOkam ( Upward region) and the branches are in this earth ( downward region in relation to Brahma lOkam ). The karmAs make the branches grow and spread . The nonatttachment to the three guNams destroys this samsAra Vruksham .SaraNAgathy at the sacred feet of the Lord helps us from the sadness of returning to this samsAric world ( anAdhi : timeless). The 5th and the 6th slOkma of this 15th adhyAyam describes the attributes of one , who achieves such a lofty goal of Moksham thru SaraNAgathy at the sacred feet of the Lord . In the 15th slOkma of this 15th adhyAyam , the Lord reveals : " vedaisccha sarvai: ahamEv avEdhya: vEdAntha kruth vEdavidEva chAham " (Meaning): I am the One to be understood thru the VedAs . I am the one who grants the fruits that the VedAs talk about.I am the One who has the clearest comprehension of the true meanings of the VedAs. In the 18th slOkam of this chapter, the Lord reveals that He is the PurushOtthaman( PurushEbhya : Utthama:, PurushANAm utthma: , PurushEshu Utthama: ). Vedam salutes this Utthama Purushan : "Sa Utthama Purusha: ". In the 15th SlOkma , the Lord reveals that He sits in the heat lotus of all Jeevans ( sarvasya chAham hrudhi sannivishta: ) and asks Arjuna to become the krutha kruthyan( one who has performed the upAyam of SaraNAgathy to the Lord) through His upadEsam on the PurushOtthama yOgam( 15th Chapter) describing the ways to cut the SamsAric tree with its roots spreading upwards. GeethAchAryan ThriuvadigaLE SaraNam , Oppiliappan Koil V.Sadagopan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Swami U.Ve. Sadagopan: Excellent commentary and explanation in simple English that can be understood by ordinary people who have not undergone education in Sanskrit and not well-versed with vedam. May your kaimkaryam continue so that english educated modern vaishnava students can benefit and learn our sacred philosophy. Although vyakyanam with vaishnava paribashai helps who have fundamental knowledge about vaishnavism, that does not help many vaishnavite students who surf religious group postings like this because they cannot understand paribashai. Respected yourself, Sriman Madabushi Sudarshanam, Anbil swamy and of late youngsters like Sri Varadarajan and Srimathi Jayashree Saranathan are posting so many thoughtful and inspiration ideas, I am pleased that our younger generation in USA may outlearn the counter parts in India. May Paramatman Sriman Narayana and poorvacharyas bless you all with whatever you need in life for the upliftment of younger generation. Adiyaen Nerur S. Rajagopalan --- Sadagopan <sgopan wrote: > > > - > "sridharan pillai pakkam nattu" > <sri1942 > <sgopan > Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:17 PM > Aswatha vriksham Vs Samsara Vriksham > > > > U.Ve. Sri V.Sadagopan, > > Inspite of reading BG Chap 15 on the above topic > >from several books, I have > not fully understood > >the full significance- Is it possible to give a > > Tabular statement of each part of Aswattha > >tree and corresponding aspects of Samsara > >Vriksham to see one to one correspondence. > > > Acharyan Thiruvadigale Saranam, > > Dasan,P.N.Sridharan > > Dear Sri Sridharan : > > Let me share the response to your good > question with the other list members . > > Bhagavaan describes the ever flowing /continuing > (avyayam) > SamsAra Vruksham as the aswattha ( ever changing > )tree with its roots > spreading upward ( Urdhva Moolam) and its branches > spreading downwards (adha: saakham) .Our Lord > describes > the leaves on its branches as the Vedams (ChandhAmsi > > yasya ParNAni ) and concludes by declaring that any > one > who understands this doctrine will a Veda Vith( One > who > knows the true purport of the VedAs) . > > A. This tree is the Prapancham . Its roots are > situated above > instead of under ground . Why does VedAs describe it > > this way ? The creator of this Prapancham on the > Lord's > order is Brahma Devan , who sits above all the 7 > lokams . > He is the Aadhi for this samsAra Prapancha vruksham > . > Hence the root of this Tree is Brahma in the upward > region > (Urdhva Moolam). > > B. This SamsAric tree has many branches in the > region > below Brahma .These are the humans , animals and > plants > created by Brahma according to the jeevan's karma > vibhAgam. > Hence they are seen as spreading downward (adhO > mukham). > > C. Aswattham means ever changing . It is not the > same as > it was seen yesterday . > > D. Aswattham prAhu: This means the VedAs describe it > > this way : " yEshOswattha : SanAthana: " according > to > Vedam . > > E. avyayam : Untill Vivekam and Tatthva Jn~Anam > dawns , this SamsAram continues for the humans . > That is why it is avyayam ( without end) . When one > cuts > this samsAra Vruksham with the axe of VairAgyam > (nonattachment ) , this samsaric Tree is destroyed . > > F.ChandhAmsi yasya PrNAni: The reference is to the > leaves > of this SamsAric tree , which are the Veda BhAgams > dealing with Kaamya KarmAs of Karma KaaNDam . > Here some one asks for Phalan thru performance of > a Yaj~nam . Once he gets those phalans that he > sought , > then he is mired further in SamsAram . The leaves > here > hide the true nature of the SamsAric tree and keep > it > growing forever for all except the Tatthva Jn~Ani. > > G. Ya: tamm Veda sa Vedavith : One who understands > these truths comprehends the VedAs (Veda BhAgams > dealing with Moksham and nishkAmya karmA's phalan ). > The means for cutting this samsAric tree to get > deliverance (Moksham) are Veda Siras ( Upanishads) . > > The upadEsam is that the root of the SamsAra > Vruksham > is in the Brahma lOkam ( Upward region) and the > branches > are in this earth ( downward region in relation to > Brahma > lOkam ). The karmAs make the branches grow and > spread . > The nonatttachment to the three guNams destroys > this samsAra Vruksham .SaraNAgathy at the sacred > feet > of the Lord helps us from the sadness of returning > to > this samsAric world ( anAdhi : timeless). > > The 5th and the 6th slOkma of this 15th adhyAyam > describes the attributes of one , who achieves such > a lofty goal of Moksham thru SaraNAgathy at the > sacred > feet of the Lord . > > In the 15th slOkma of this 15th adhyAyam , the Lord > reveals : > > " vedaisccha sarvai: ahamEv avEdhya: > vEdAntha kruth vEdavidEva chAham " > > (Meaning): I am the One to be understood thru the > VedAs . > I am the one who grants the fruits that the VedAs > talk about.I am the One who has the clearest > comprehension of the true meanings of the VedAs. > > In the 18th slOkam of this chapter, the Lord reveals > > that He is the PurushOtthaman( PurushEbhya : > Utthama:, > PurushANAm utthma: , PurushEshu Utthama: ). Vedam > salutes this Utthama Purushan : "Sa Utthama > Purusha: ". > In the 15th SlOkma , the Lord reveals that He sits > in > the heat lotus of all Jeevans ( sarvasya chAham > hrudhi > sannivishta: ) and asks Arjuna to become the krutha > kruthyan( one who has performed the upAyam of > SaraNAgathy to the Lord) through His upadEsam on > the PurushOtthama yOgam( 15th Chapter) describing > the ways to cut the SamsAric tree with its roots > spreading > upwards. > > GeethAchAryan ThriuvadigaLE SaraNam , > Oppiliappan Koil V.Sadagopan > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > $9.95 domain names from . Register anything. > http://us.click./J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM > --~-> > > > > Links > > > Oppiliappan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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