Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Dear MKSwamy , Sadagopan Swamin The Email i just read (below) is Nothing........ but.... Substance of Thiruvaaimozhi !! daasan Both Sadagopan, MK Swamy => These words are written to take (both of )you® as an example "Siru-ma-manisaarai Yennai Aandaar Ingae Thiriyavae !" - MK krishnaswamy tiruvenkatam Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:02 AM [t'venkatam] The Life Superior Dear Devotees, Please permit me to share some thoughts which arose in my mind when I was re-reading Tennyson's Morte D'Arthur. The following is a famous quote from that poem: For what are men better than sheep or goatsThat nourish a blind life within the brain,If, knowing God, they lift not hands of prayerBoth for themselves and those who call them friend?For so the whole round earth is every wayBound by gold chains about the feet of God. Tennyson in "Morte D'Arthur" We human beings have so much in common with animals -- such as living in groups, caring for our off-spring, building or choosing a place for residence (nest, lair, house etc), fighting for domain over a group or area or a mate, eating, drinking, playing, reproducing, health, illness etc. There is one major difference: in addition to a pre-programmed brain and the limited intelligence of the animals, we have a mind that has almost unlimited intelligence, is capable of conceptual, abstract thinking and communicating our thoughts in words, We are also endowed with the free will to choose -- to use this mind-power either to indulge in the needs and pleasures of the senses like the animals or to fulfil the minimum, essential needs of the body and to seek the higher Self which resides within us in the deep recesses of the heart. It is in this context that the Seers of yore --who saw with a sense of superior perception of the mind -- have prescribed for our guidance the fundamental way of living our lives. And that is to seek the four purusharthaas: Dharma, Arthaa, Kama and Moksha. It may be specially noted that the inner two values Artha and Kama are sub-sets of Dharma and Moksha: they are circumscribed by the two brackets Dharma and Moksha . Artha meaning resources (wealth) is to be soughr through action within the rules of Dharma. Kama or desire/needs should be such that it is directed towards non-attachment and freedom from bondage (moksha). Leading one's life in this manner, we become true seekers. Constantly working within the field of Dharma with the mind's eye firmly fixed on the only true goal of life, namely, moksha, we shall receive His Grace and be delivered from bondage. Every other way that we choose with our "free" will results in the waste of this precious gift of the human mind. As Lord Yama told Nachiketas in Kathopanishad, we have two choices: We can choose preyas or pleasure and live the ordinary life like 'sheep and goats'; or choose shreyas, the highest good and become one with the Gods. Thus stated, the choice in favour of the latter is so clear. Yet, over centuries, humanity seems to be going the other way. May be, it is time for Shri Bhagawan to come as an Avatara Purusha and save us. Dasan, Krishnaswamy M.K Namo VenkateshAya namah:To Post a message, send it to: tiruvenkatam (AT) eGroups (DOT) comTo Un, send a blank message to: tiruvenkatam- (AT) eGroups (DOT) com Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Dear Shriman Sundararajan, Many thanks for your appreciation which, I know, I do not deserve at all. I consider myself as one of the "siru manisar." If I quoted Tennyson, it is due to my ignorance of the great treasure in our own sacred literature. It is Shriman Sadagopan who has wide knowledge of the scriptures and is spreading awareness of sat-vishayam among the devotees, that belongs to the "siru maa manisar" group of enlightened mahaans. What better way to serve the Lord than by subordinating one's own ego to the "SiRu-Maa-Manisar" who walk this earth very close to us but whom one's inflated ego does not even notice? May I suggest that you write on this subject expanding on the meaning of Tiruvaimozhi Ch.8-10 ? Dasan Krishnaswamy - Balaji Sundarrajan Oppiliappan ; sgopan (AT) computer (DOT) net Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:41 AM Substance of thiruvaaimozhi !! Dear MKSwamy , Sadagopan Swamin The Email i just read (below) is Nothing........ but.... Substance of Thiruvaaimozhi !! daasan Both Sadagopan, MK Swamy => These words are written to take (both of )you® as an example "Siru-ma-manisaarai Yennai Aandaar Ingae Thiriyavae !" - MK krishnaswamy tiruvenkatam Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:02 AM [t'venkatam] The Life Superior Dear Devotees, Please permit me to share some thoughts which arose in my mind when I was re-reading Tennyson's Morte D'Arthur. The following is a famous quote from that poem: For what are men better than sheep or goatsThat nourish a blind life within the brain,If, knowing God, they lift not hands of prayerBoth for themselves and those who call them friend?For so the whole round earth is every wayBound by gold chains about the feet of God. Tennyson in "Morte D'Arthur" We human beings have so much in common with animals -- such as living in groups, caring for our off-spring, building or choosing a place for residence (nest, lair, house etc), fighting for domain over a group or area or a mate, eating, drinking, playing, reproducing, health, illness etc. There is one major difference: in addition to a pre-programmed brain and the limited intelligence of the animals, we have a mind that has almost unlimited intelligence, is capable of conceptual, abstract thinking and communicating our thoughts in words, We are also endowed with the free will to choose -- to use this mind-power either to indulge in the needs and pleasures of the senses like the animals or to fulfil the minimum, essential needs of the body and to seek the higher Self which resides within us in the deep recesses of the heart. It is in this context that the Seers of yore --who saw with a sense of superior perception of the mind -- have prescribed for our guidance the fundamental way of living our lives. And that is to seek the four purusharthaas: Dharma, Arthaa, Kama and Moksha. It may be specially noted that the inner two values Artha and Kama are sub-sets of Dharma and Moksha: they are circumscribed by the two brackets Dharma and Moksha . Artha meaning resources (wealth) is to be soughr through action within the rules of Dharma. Kama or desire/needs should be such that it is directed towards non-attachment and freedom from bondage (moksha). Leading one's life in this manner, we become true seekers. Constantly working within the field of Dharma with the mind's eye firmly fixed on the only true goal of life, namely, moksha, we shall receive His Grace and be delivered from bondage. Every other way that we choose with our "free" will results in the waste of this precious gift of the human mind. As Lord Yama told Nachiketas in Kathopanishad, we have two choices: We can choose preyas or pleasure and live the ordinary life like 'sheep and goats'; or choose shreyas, the highest good and become one with the Gods. Thus stated, the choice in favour of the latter is so clear. Yet, over centuries, humanity seems to be going the other way. May be, it is time for Shri Bhagawan to come as an Avatara Purusha and save us. Dasan, Krishnaswamy M.K Namo VenkateshAya namah:To Post a message, send it to: tiruvenkatam (AT) eGroups (DOT) comTo Un, send a blank message to: tiruvenkatam- (AT) eGroups (DOT) com Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Sri : Dear Sriman Krishnaswamy & Sri Sundararajan : Thanks very much for your mails . What Swamy NammAzhwAr said in His ThiruvAimozhi is applicable to our unbroken chain of AchAryAs . as one of limited intellect , adiyEn apprecites both of Your compliments but deflect them to the sampradhAyic AchAryAs , who light up our Jn~Ana Dheepam . Daasan , V.Sadagopan - MK krishnaswamy Oppiliappan Cc: Sadagopan Monday, October 18, 2004 1:47 AM Re: Substance of thiruvaaimozhi !! Dear Shriman Sundararajan, Many thanks for your appreciation which, I know, I do not deserve at all. I consider myself as one of the "siru manisar." If I quoted Tennyson, it is due to my ignorance of the great treasure in our own sacred literature. It is Shriman Sadagopan who has wide knowledge of the scriptures and is spreading awareness of sat-vishayam among the devotees, that belongs to the "siru maa manisar" group of enlightened mahaans. What better way to serve the Lord than by subordinating one's own ego to the "SiRu-Maa-Manisar" who walk this earth very close to us but whom one's inflated ego does not even notice? May I suggest that you write on this subject expanding on the meaning of Tiruvaimozhi Ch.8-10 ? Dasan Krishnaswamy - Balaji Sundarrajan Oppiliappan ; sgopan (AT) computer (DOT) net Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:41 AM Substance of thiruvaaimozhi !! Dear MKSwamy , Sadagopan Swamin The Email i just read (below) is Nothing........ but.... Substance of Thiruvaaimozhi !! daasan Both Sadagopan, MK Swamy => These words are written to take (both of )you® as an example "Siru-ma-manisaarai Yennai Aandaar Ingae Thiriyavae !" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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