Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Dear Devotees, Shriman ravi sukhparia wrote: "Every one is entitled to have a dip in the Ganges. But if I want to be a doctor and practice medicine professionally, I have got to get MBBS or other degree first and then I can go for specialization course." Only the modern Purohit practices the profession of performing rituals and offering prayers on behalf of others who reward him with money for 'services rendered'. In his biography of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swami Vivekananda observed: " The father being dead, the family was very poor; and this boy had to make his own living. He went to a place near Calcutta and became a temple priest. To become a temple priest is thought very degrading to a Brahmin." Further in the biography, he observed: "it has been held from the most ancient times in our country, legislated upon by Manu, that it is a degenerating occupation to become a temple priest. Some of the books say it is so degrading as to make a Brahmin worthy of reproach. Just as with education, but in a far more intense sense with religion, there is the other idea behind it that the temple priests who take fees for their work are making merchandise of sacred things." ( http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_4/lectures_and_discourses/my_master.htm ) The devotees are all seekers, not professionals. They need only motivation and guidance, not a license or other prescribed qualification to live their holy life of seeking. Sanatana Dharma advises all individuals to live their lives for the four Purusharthaas: Dharma, Artha, Kaama, Moksha. Learning the scriptures, which includes chanting, is the necessary equipment for one to lead life according to Dharma and proceed towards the goal of Moksha. Viewed in this light, men belonging to modern times should not consider women as not fit/qualified (for any reason) to chant the Vedas. As to whether the shastras themselves have prescribed a prohibition, opinion does not appear to be unanimous. Dasan M.K. Krishnaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Oppiliappan, "MK krishnaswamy" <krishnaswamy@c...> wrote: > Dear Sriman Krishnaswamy, I agree with you. Anyway, we have sarvIya SAkhA (vEda for all), thiruvAimozhi, as the AchArya calls it in "dravidOpanishat tAtparya ratnAvaLI". Better to concentrate on its meanings in simple Tamil/ some other language. adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Vishnu > > Viewed in this light, men belonging to modern times should not consider women as not fit/qualified (for any reason) to chant the Vedas. As to whether the shastras themselves have prescribed a prohibition, opinion does not appear to be unanimous. > > Dasan > M.K. Krishnaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 -KrishnamachariVishnu <vsmvishnu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Oppiliappan, "MK krishnaswamy" wrote:> Dear Sriman Krishnaswamy,I agree with you. Anyway, we have sarvIya SAkhA (vEda for all), thiruvAimozhi, as the AchArya calls it in "dravidOpanishat tAtparya ratnAvaLI". Better to concentrate on its meanings in simple Tamil/ some other language.adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsanVishnu> > Viewed in this light, men belonging to modern times should not consider women as not fit/qualified (for any reason) to chant the Vedas. As to whether the shastras themselves have prescribed a prohibition, opinion does not appear to be unanimous.> > Dasan> M.K. Krishnaswamy------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from . Register anything.http://us.click./J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM--~-> Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:Oppiliappan/<*> To from this group, send an email to:Oppiliappan<*> Your use of Groups is subject to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA. Dear Sri Vishnu, Since I don't exactly get your point, may I ask you whether you mean to say that it is enough that women learn Thiruvoimozhi and not vedas? What is that other language you have mentioned? Regards, jayasree saranathan -- In Oppiliappan, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu> wrote: > > > Oppiliappan, "MK krishnaswamy" > <krishnaswamy@c...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sriman Krishnaswamy, > > I agree with you. Anyway, we have sarvIya SAkhA (vEda for all), > thiruvAimozhi, as the AchArya calls it in "dravidOpanishat tAtparya > ratnAvaLI". Better to concentrate on its meanings in simple Tamil/ > some other language. > > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan > Vishnu > > > > > Viewed in this light, men belonging to modern times should not > consider women as not fit/qualified (for any reason) to chant the > Vedas. As to whether the shastras themselves have prescribed a > prohibition, opinion does not appear to be unanimous. > > > > Dasan > > M.K. Krishnaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Dear Sriman Krishnamachari : Thanks for your mail. I have asked my AchAryan , Srimath Azhagiya Singar this question and I have recieved the clear answer that Women should not chant VedAs . This is sishtAchAram . That is good enough for me . Women do not need to look upon this as some kind of discrimination or male dominance . They are free to do what they would like to pursue in this matter as long as their AchAryan directs. Smt. Saranathan has struggled with this question and has articulated her efforts to find some compass inside her and has concluded very well in the fourth of the series of postings about this subject . It was a moving experience to read her postings and conclusions in front of Raamar Sannidhi . Varattu Padippu is quite different from genuine bhakthi that brings tears to one's eyes on experiencing BhagavAn as Sarvam . One of the recent correspondents wrote that the current MadAdhipathis have some vested interest in keeping women away from reciting VedAs . It is very insulting to make such statements regarding our AchAryAs . I have rejected that posting since it was out of line . His point was that we should question the ulterior motives of our AchAryAs and should not accept all waht they say or direct in such matters . I can not acept this view . We have had plenty of discussions on this subject and I will close this series . Please consult with your respective AchAryan and get a clear ruling and proceed accordingly . Thanks very much , V.Sadagopan Moderator - Narasimhan Krishnamachari Oppiliappan Monday, November 01, 2004 11:47 PM Re: Re: Women and Chanting Vedas My humble opinion on the interpretation of SAStra-s is that this is done by our current AcArya-s for the currrent time. SAstra-s are very complex by nature, and can contain apparently conflicting guidelines. This is why we have our learned AcArya-s, who guide us by interpreting the SAstra-s correectly. So the question that should be asked is: Does your AcAryan say that women should chant veda-s in goshTi-s in the temples, whether they should learn chanting veda-s, etc. I do not know the answer to the question definitively, since I have not asked my AcAryan this question directly. It is my feeling that in our country, in our ASrama-s and Mutt-s, the women are not part of the veda pArAyaNa goshTi. There are no women students in the veda pArAyaNa schools conducted by our revered AcArya-s, as far as I know. -KrishnamachariVishnu <vsmvishnu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Oppiliappan, "MK krishnaswamy" wrote:> Dear Sriman Krishnaswamy,I agree with you. Anyway, we have sarvIya SAkhA (vEda for all), thiruvAimozhi, as the AchArya calls it in "dravidOpanishat tAtparya ratnAvaLI". Better to concentrate on its meanings in simple Tamil/ some other language.adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsanVishnu> > Viewed in this light, men belonging to modern times should not consider women as not fit/qualified (for any reason) to chant the Vedas. As to whether the shastras themselves have prescribed a prohibition, opinion does not appear to be unanimous.> > Dasan> M.K. Krishnaswamy------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from . Register anything.http://us.click./J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM--~-> Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:Oppiliappan/<*> To from this group, send an email to:Oppiliappan<*> Your use of Groups is subject to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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