RE: RE: Fwd: [Jeeyar Educational Trust] Digest Number 1049

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srimathey ramanujaya namaha!

adiyen ramanuja dasaha!

 

Jai Srimannarayana Dear Sri Sadagopan Swami,

 

Just saw your comments on the email that you sent to all the discussion groups.

I think the intent and the content of the response that appeared in

seems to have been "miss-understood".

 

Here is the summary of what I grasped from the response..........

 

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Firstly the response was from Srikaryam Swami.

As you probably know HH Sri Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji has devotees are

spread across all the continents and some of them are highly realized and

knowledgeable acharya purushas. HH's devotees/ Srikaryam swamis travel around

and provide us the actual 'in-the-field' opinions. Some of HH Sri Sri Sri

Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji's sishyas evolved into Sri Jeeyar Swamiji's themselves who

provide guidance too from time to time at various places throughout.

 

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I think we all should address as HH Sri Jeeyar Swamis and not just Jeeyars. It

seems little odd and slightly disrespectful, especially to outsiders.

 

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The content of the response seems to have slightly misunderstood and there are

several answers provided to us in such a short paragraph.

 

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Swami Vedanta Desikacharya always stood guard to Ramanuja Sampradaya. If you

look at the life history and works of Swami Vedanta Desikacharya including

geethardha taatparya deepika etc, you would know He protected Swami

Ramanujacharya's works, commentaries almost laying a fence, paths, tributaries

and providing microscope like devices where needed. This He did to protect and

safeguard the Ramanuja Sampradayam. It was never the intent of Swami Vedanta

Desikacharya to start another Sampradayam of His own. He (Swami Vedanta

Desikacharya) always wanted to be associated as a devotee of swami

ramanujachayra only. This is evident from His works, actions and His deeds and

everything that is available today.

 

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There is nothing like Desika sampradaya, Desika siddhantham etc etc etc. There

is only one 'Ramanuja Sampradayam'

 

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There have been efforts by a few devotees/vested interests to create separate

tags/nomenclature. A few people are now branding themselves as followers of

'Desika Sampradaya'. This I have seen at so many temples. I met several

devotees in India, US, UK and Australia. This is how they introduced themselves

---- "Hello, adiyen is a Iyengar. adiyen and family are followers of Desika

Sampradayam, and you probably belong to the tennacharya sampradayam"

 

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As can be seen from point 6 above we are creating boundaries around ourselves

and dividing and seggregating ourselves. This is wrong and should be fixed

immediately. We should stop branding ourselves as desika sampradayam etc etc. We

all belong to Ramanuja Samparadayam. We all should be united. We all should

protect, practise and propagate in a united manner as we all belong to ONE

sampradayam - The Ramanuja Sampradayam' .

 

This is exactly the message I got from the response of Srikaryam Swami as called

out.

 

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Every effort by each one of us should be made so as to identify ourselves and

call ourselves followers of Ramauja Sampradayam only and no other confusing

terms should be used or introduced or brandings done. Any works are

commentaries of the great devotees of Swami Ramanujacharya, when being explained

should be clearly linked back to the Swami Ramanujacharya Himself and His works

so that it leaves no doubt or leaves no gaps in the mind of people listening or

people trying to grasp.

 

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As most devotees have an acharya even the 'Yatis' of ramanuja sampradayam should

not call themselves by other names and make sure they have the Jeeyar Swamijis

in their title. As you can see people are already confused and asking why are

some yatis called something else and why don't they have 'Jeeyar' in their

title. All the Yatis should do anything and everything to protect and unite

ramanuja sampradayam and support all such programs underway.

 

 

I pray once again to all the devotees to remember that we all belong to the

ramanuja Sampradayam and we all belong to one community. Let us not create the

concept of two eyes, one view etc etc. Let us not divide but unite as we all

belong to ONE sampradayam, ramanuja sampradayam. Let us not try to criticize

greatest devotees of Swami Ramanujacharya but support each other in these

testing times when massive Tsunamis, internal and external, are trying to wipe

out our Vedic Culture.

 

 

My dasohams to holy feet of all great devotees.

 

adiyen ramanuja dasaha

ramanujadasa

 

 

 

 

 

Raghuram Mudumbai RD | 408 480 4004 | raghu.mudumbai |

 

 

 

 

Sadagopan <sgopan@c...>

Wed Feb 2, 2005 11:23 am

Re: [sriParakalaMatham] Fwd: [Jeeyar Educational Trust] Digest Number

1049

 

 

Dear Sri VenkatEsaa Iyengar :

 

You have asked for readers" comments regarding

the Q&A excerpts from HH Chinna Jeeyar's corrspondence .

 

Although the subject matter is controversial and can generate

lot more heat than light , I am responding to your request

because of your many services to unite Sri VaishNava Kulam

thru MahA Sudarsana Yaj~nam & other tireless kaimkaryams .

 

Here is my input : I am surprised at the answer from

HH the Jeeyar for the question from a devotee .

 

I totally disagree with the misrepresentation of facts

embedded in the answer .

 

This answer does not help to unite . It only aggravates the unfortunate

existing divisions . Vadakalai and TennAchArya SamprahdAyam

are the two eyes of Sri VaishNavam . You do not hurt one eye to

nourish the other . Both are vital for proper sight and both are rooted

in Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham . To say that "Vadakalai people

want to seperate them (?) from the main stream " is confusing and

distorting

the facts on ground .

 

Swamy Desikan was a contemproary of Swamy PiLLailOkAcchAr and

was highly respected by the latter . In the battle at Srirangam (Muslim

invasion ) , one died and the other nearly died . Swamy Desikan escaped

death and left for Melkote . During that difficult journey , Swamy Desikan

carried the Commentary of Sri Bhaashyam by Sri Sudarsana Soori with him

and saved that Sri Bhaashyam commentary for posterity . Where will all

Sri VaishNavAs be , if we had lost Srutha PrakAsika at Srirangam ? ,

How can one describe such a Mahaan as not having respect for

Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham ?

 

Swamy Desikan's life was centered around studying Sri BhAshyam ,

performing KaalakshEpam on it 30 times in his life to his disciples ;

He wrote AdhikaraNa SaarAvaLi to explain it and used Sankalpa SooryOdhayam,

Para Matha Bhangam , Tatthva Muktha KalApam , SarvArTa Siddhi

to defend Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham . In the last slOkam of

Sri RanganAtha PaadhukA Sahasram , Swamy Desikan pays His tremendous

tribute to the power of YathirAja Sookthis . Swamy Desikan extolls further

the power of YathirAja Sookthis with 74 SlOkams in YathirAja Sapthathi .

How can he be accused of making his own brand of Desika Darsanam

and downplay Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham . He recognized

the main stream of Bhagavath RaamAnuja Siddhantham and immersed in it

all his life and celebrated that BhAgyam thru his Sri Sookthis and

bequeathed

it for all of us as Kula dhanam . By the way , the bhirudhu for Vadakalai

AchAryAs

is " Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntha NirdhAraNa Saarvabhouma " .

 

It is incorrect hence to say that Vadakalai people follow only VedAntha

Desika and not Bhagavath RaamAnuja . Swamy Desikan exemplified

Bhakthi for AchArya RaamAnuja all his life and he would have considered

himself as a fish out of water , if he had no RaamAnuja Sambhandham .

That goes for all Vadakalai sampradhAyains . Exclusivity of one sampradhAyam

as belonging to Bhagavath RaamAnuja and building the case on

this ricketty foundation is divisive in my humble opinion and

does not serve any useful purpose.

 

Let us all be proud of belonging to the Sri VaishNava Kulam that

starts with the Dhivya Dampathis down to present day AchAryAs .

There are not too many VaishNavAs in the world anyway and let us

unite them instead of dividing them .

 

adiyEn requests the revered Jeeyar to help heal these wounds .

 

RaamAnuja Daasan,

V.Sadagopan (V.SaThakOpan ), New York

 

-

"srinivasa iyengar. venkatesan." <srisudarsana>

<parakalamatham>; <>

Monday, January 31, 2005 11:14 PM

[sriParakalaMatham] Fwd: [Jeeyar Educational Trust] Digest Number

1049

 

 

>

> Dear Respected dignitaries!

 

> Here is the question and Answer given hy HH Chinna

> Jeeyar Swamiji.

 

> Do you all agree with His answer! if Yes, why and how?

> if NO, why and how?

 

> I wish to know how you all take it and extent your

> support to promote Sri Ramanuja Siddantha unitedly and

> effectively for the benefit of humanity.

 

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha:

> S.Venkatesa Iyengar.

>

> Note: forwarded message attached. Message: 5

> Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:35:57 -0000

> "Srikaryam"

> Re: Naming:Jeeyar & Nihamantha Mahadesikan

>

> QUESTION)

> Dear Friends,

> As both thennacharya sampradaayis as well as

> vadakalaiyars accept

> Ramanuja dharsanam, why do we have following

> differences?

> 1. Head of Thennacharya sampradayis name themselves as

> "Jeeyar"

> 2. Head of vadakalaiyars name as "nihamantha

> mahadesikan"

> 3. How is "vedantha mahadesikan" different from

> "nihamantha

> mahadesikan"?

> Can anyone clarify? Thanks, Srinath

>

>

 

 

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