RE: Fwd: [Jeeyar Educational Trust] Digest Number 1049

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SrI:

 

Dear Sriman Raghuram Mudumbai :

 

Thanks very much for your detailed mail

analysing as to what might have happened .

 

Your analysis ( POint #4 ) on Swamy Desikan's

contributions to spread , protect and nourish

Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham is very apt.

 

By the way , Swamy Desikan's commentary on

Bhagaavth GitA is known as "Taathparya ChandrikA

and it is an elaboration of Bhagavath RaamAnujA's

BhAshyam on GithOpanishad . Swamy Desikan also

wrote a commentary on GithArTa Sangraham of

Swamy Alawanthar , which was the inspiration

for Bhagavath RaamAnujA for His BhAshyam .

Thus the UpadEsams enshrined in the SrI Sookthis of

AchAryAs and their PrAchAryAs blend in a seamless

manner and the AchAryan will never ever vie for staking

a position for himself and think of one upmanship.

 

I am glad to learn from you that the response to

the question from the reader was from SrikAryam Swamy

and not from HH , the revered Jeeyar .

 

Two things come to my mind on reading your mail :

 

(1) Brahma Soothrams are terse . They can be intrepreted

in number of ways . That one sentence from Sri Kaaryam

Swamy towards the end of his response belongs to this

category of aphoristic statements amenable to different

intrepretaions .

 

(2) " lOkO bhinna ruchi: " . Inspite of it all , we cling to our

own AchAryA's sacred feet as dear rakshaNa vasthu like

Madhura Kavi AzhwAr just as Swamy NammAzhwAr clung to

the Thiruvadi of Sriman NaarAyaNan . Our AchAryans are firmly

holding on to the Thiruvadis of the Dhivya Dampathis like

Swamy NammAzhwAr .

 

For a Muktha Jeevan , ArchirAdhi Gamanam , Sri Vaikunta PrApthi ,

Parama Purusha Darsanam , Bhagavath GuNAnubhavam , Nithya ,

niravadhya Kaimkaryam for the dhivya Dampathis follow thru after

Aathma Bhara SamarpaNam . The Muktha Jeevan joins with

the AchAryans at Sri Vaikuntam to enjoy this parama PurushArTam .

Rest pale into insignificance . That is all adiyEn knows .

 

There is nothing more for adiyEn to say on this matter .

 

NamO NaarAyaNAya ,

 

Srimath Azhagiya Singar ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam ,

Oppiliappan Koil V.Sadagopan

 

 

> Jai Srimannarayana Dear Sri Sadagopan Swami,

>

> Just saw your comments on the email that you sent to all the discussion

> groups. I think the intent and the content of the response that appeared

> in seems to have been "miss-understood".

>

> Here is the summary of what I grasped from the response..........

>

> 1]]]]

> Firstly the response was from Srikaryam Swami.

> As you probably know HH Sri Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji has devotees are

> spread across all the continents and some of them are highly realized and

> knowledgeable acharya purushas. HH's devotees/ Srikaryam swamis travel

> around and provide us the actual 'in-the-field' opinions. Some of HH Sri

> Sri Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamiji's sishyas evolved into Sri Jeeyar Swamiji's

> themselves who provide guidance too from time to time at various places

> throughout.

>

> 2]]]]

> I think we all should address as HH Sri Jeeyar Swamis and not just

> Jeeyars. It seems little odd and slightly disrespectful, especially to

> outsiders.

>

> 3]]]]

> The content of the response seems to have slightly misunderstood and there

> are several answers provided to us in such a short paragraph.

>

> 4]]]]

> Swami Vedanta Desikacharya always stood guard to Ramanuja Sampradaya. If

> you look at the life history and works of Swami Vedanta Desikacharya

> including geethardha taatparya deepika etc, you would know He protected

> Swami Ramanujacharya's works, commentaries almost laying a fence, paths,

> tributaries and providing microscope like devices where needed. This He

> did to protect and safeguard the Ramanuja Sampradayam. It was never the

> intent of Swami Vedanta Desikacharya to start another Sampradayam of His

> own. He (Swami Vedanta Desikacharya) always wanted to be associated as a

> devotee of swami ramanujachayra only. This is evident from His works,

> actions and His deeds and everything that is available today.

>

> 5]]]]

> There is nothing like Desika sampradaya, Desika siddhantham etc etc etc.

> There is only one 'Ramanuja Sampradayam'

>

> 6]]]]

> There have been efforts by a few devotees/vested interests to create

> separate tags/nomenclature. A few people are now branding themselves as

> followers of 'Desika Sampradaya'. This I have seen at so many temples. I

> met several devotees in India, US, UK and Australia. This is how they

> introduced themselves ---- "Hello, adiyen is a Iyengar. adiyen and family

> are followers of Desika Sampradayam, and you probably belong to the

> tennacharya sampradayam"

>

> 7]]]]

> As can be seen from point 6 above we are creating boundaries around

> ourselves and dividing and seggregating ourselves. This is wrong and

> should be fixed immediately. We should stop branding ourselves as desika

> sampradayam etc etc. We all belong to Ramanuja Samparadayam. We all should

> be united. We all should protect, practise and propagate in a united

> manner as we all belong to ONE sampradayam - The Ramanuja Sampradayam' .

>

> This is exactly the message I got from the response of Srikaryam Swami as

> called out.

>

> 8]]]]

> Every effort by each one of us should be made so as to identify ourselves

> and call ourselves followers of Ramauja Sampradayam only and no other

> confusing terms should be used or introduced or brandings done. Any works

> are commentaries of the great devotees of Swami Ramanujacharya, when being

> explained should be clearly linked back to the Swami Ramanujacharya

> Himself and His works so that it leaves no doubt or leaves no gaps in the

> mind of people listening or people trying to grasp.

>

> 9]]]]

> As most devotees have an acharya even the 'Yatis' of ramanuja sampradayam

> should not call themselves by other names and make sure they have the

> Jeeyar Swamijis in their title. As you can see people are already

> confused and asking why are some yatis called something else and why don't

> they have 'Jeeyar' in their title. All the Yatis should do anything and

> everything to protect and unite ramanuja sampradayam and support all such

> programs underway.

>

>

> I pray once again to all the devotees to remember that we all belong to

> the ramanuja Sampradayam and we all belong to one community. Let us not

> create the concept of two eyes, one view etc etc. Let us not divide but

> unite as we all belong to ONE sampradayam, ramanuja sampradayam. Let us

> not try to criticize greatest devotees of Swami Ramanujacharya but support

> each other in these testing times when massive Tsunamis, internal and

> external, are trying to wipe out our Vedic Culture.

>

>

> My dasohams to holy feet of all great devotees.

>

> adiyen ramanuja dasaha

> ramanujadasa

 

> Raghuram Mudumbai RD | 408 480 4004 | raghu.mudumbai |

>

 

> Sadagopan <sgopan@c...>

> Wed Feb 2, 2005 11:23 am

> Re: [sriParakalaMatham] Fwd: [Jeeyar Educational Trust] Digest

> Number 1049

>

>

> Dear Sri VenkatEsaa Iyengar :

>

> You have asked for readers" comments regarding

> the Q&A excerpts from HH Chinna Jeeyar's corrspondence .

>

> Although the subject matter is controversial and can generate

> lot more heat than light , I am responding to your request

> because of your many services to unite Sri VaishNava Kulam

> thru MahA Sudarsana Yaj~nam & other tireless kaimkaryams .

>

> Here is my input : I am surprised at the answer from

> HH the Jeeyar for the question from a devotee .

>

> I totally disagree with the misrepresentation of facts

> embedded in the answer .

>

> This answer does not help to unite . It only aggravates the unfortunate

> existing divisions . Vadakalai and TennAchArya SamprahdAyam

> are the two eyes of Sri VaishNavam . You do not hurt one eye to

> nourish the other . Both are vital for proper sight and both are rooted

> in Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham . To say that "Vadakalai people

> want to seperate them (?) from the main stream " is confusing and

> distorting

> the facts on ground .

>

> Swamy Desikan was a contemproary of Swamy PiLLailOkAcchAr and

> was highly respected by the latter . In the battle at Srirangam (Muslim

> invasion ) , one died and the other nearly died . Swamy Desikan escaped

> death and left for Melkote . During that difficult journey , Swamy Desikan

> carried the Commentary of Sri Bhaashyam by Sri Sudarsana Soori with him

> and saved that Sri Bhaashyam commentary for posterity . Where will all

> Sri VaishNavAs be , if we had lost Srutha PrakAsika at Srirangam ? ,

> How can one describe such a Mahaan as not having respect for

> Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham ?

>

> Swamy Desikan's life was centered around studying Sri BhAshyam ,

> performing KaalakshEpam on it 30 times in his life to his disciples ;

> He wrote AdhikaraNa SaarAvaLi to explain it and used Sankalpa

> SooryOdhayam,

> Para Matha Bhangam , Tatthva Muktha KalApam , SarvArTa Siddhi

> to defend Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham . In the last slOkam of

> Sri RanganAtha PaadhukA Sahasram , Swamy Desikan pays His tremendous

> tribute to the power of YathirAja Sookthis . Swamy Desikan extolls further

> the power of YathirAja Sookthis with 74 SlOkams in YathirAja Sapthathi .

> How can he be accused of making his own brand of Desika Darsanam

> and downplay Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham . He recognized

> the main stream of Bhagavath RaamAnuja Siddhantham and immersed in it

> all his life and celebrated that BhAgyam thru his Sri Sookthis and

> bequeathed

> it for all of us as Kula dhanam . By the way , the bhirudhu for Vadakalai

> AchAryAs

> is " Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntha NirdhAraNa Saarvabhouma " .

>

> It is incorrect hence to say that Vadakalai people follow only VedAntha

> Desika and not Bhagavath RaamAnuja . Swamy Desikan exemplified

> Bhakthi for AchArya RaamAnuja all his life and he would have considered

> himself as a fish out of water , if he had no RaamAnuja Sambhandham .

> That goes for all Vadakalai sampradhAyains . Exclusivity of one

> sampradhAyam

> as belonging to Bhagavath RaamAnuja and building the case on

> this ricketty foundation is divisive in my humble opinion and

> does not serve any useful purpose.

>

> Let us all be proud of belonging to the Sri VaishNava Kulam that

> starts with the Dhivya Dampathis down to present day AchAryAs .

> There are not too many VaishNavAs in the world anyway and let us

> unite them instead of dividing them .

>

> adiyEn requests the revered Jeeyar to help heal these wounds .

>

> RaamAnuja Daasan,

> V.Sadagopan (V.SaThakOpan ), New York