Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Dear BhAgavatas, I would like some information on the ZrI VaiSNava perspective on purusArthas. I do not know very much about ZrI VaiSNavism so please reply in very simple terms. I understand that there are four purusArthas (dharma, Artha, kAma and mokza), but I have read references in S.M.S. Chari's book (Philosophy & Theistic Mysticism of the Alvars) about a concept known as 'parama-purusArtha'. If necessary, I will transcribe the section as I plan to do it anyway, but I understand that there are several references about this concept indicating that this parama-purusArtha is: - a type of mukti - type of mukti known as BhAgavad-kaiGkarya - references to it from NammALvAr and PiLLAN. What I would like to know is if this parama-purusArtha counts as a purusArtha APART from the above-outlined four, and thus counts as a separate purusArtha as such. A fifth purusArtha, if you will? Kind regards, S. Dadlani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 SrI: Dear BhakthA : PurushArTam means the ultimate Goals of life . Parama PurushArTam therefore stands for the most Superior Ultimate goal of life ( namely ) , Moksham or freedom from the cycles of repeated births and deaths and sufferign in thsi SamsAric world . Practise of Bhakthi yOgam or Prapatthi grants Moksham . Prapatthis is easy to perform . Total surrender of the soul at the sacred feet of the Lord and leaving the protection of one entirely to Him and sacrificing the fruits of that act of surrender to the Lord and living in a state of freedom from fear and serving the dear ones to the Lord and the Lord Himself is a brief description of Prapatthi or SaraNAgathy . A Guru or AchAryan is absolutely necessary for getting us set on observing the rites of Prapatthi . Lots have been written in http://www.Sadagopan.org on the topic of this Parama PurushArTam of Prapatthi/SaraNAgathy and SaranAgathy journal . You might wish to refer to the articles in the latter particularly . V.Sadagopan -- Original Message ----- "Guru Meditation" <killuminati <Oppiliappan>; <> Monday, February 14, 2005 8:33 PM parama-purusArtha > > > Dear BhAgavatas, > > I would like some information on the ZrI VaiSNava perspective on > purusArthas. I do not know very much about ZrI VaiSNavism so please > reply in very simple terms. I understand that there are four purusArthas > (dharma, Artha, kAma and mokza), but I have read references in S.M.S. > Chari's book (Philosophy & Theistic Mysticism of the Alvars) about a > concept known as 'parama-purusArtha'. > > If necessary, I will transcribe the section as I plan to do it anyway, > but I understand that there are several references about this concept > indicating that this parama-purusArtha is: > > - a type of mukti > - type of mukti known as BhAgavad-kaiGkarya > - references to it from NammALvAr and PiLLAN. > > What I would like to know is if this parama-purusArtha counts as a > purusArtha APART from the above-outlined four, and thus counts as a > separate purusArtha as such. A fifth purusArtha, if you will? > > Kind regards, > > S. Dadlani > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Dear Devotee : I forget to address two questions in your note : > > If necessary, I will transcribe the section as I plan to do it anyway, > but I understand that there are several references about this concept > indicating that this parama-purusArtha is: > > - a type of mukti > - type of mukti known as BhAgavad-kaiGkarya > - references to it from NammALvAr and PiLLAN. Mukti or Moksham includes permanent residence in the Lord's Supreme abode (Sri Vaikuntam ) and serving Him there to the heart's content with blemish free kaimkaryam ( service) and enjoying that bliss on a par with the Lord . There is no return to this samsAric world again . All the liberated souls enjoy equal measure of that bliss of kiamakryam . There are no gradations in the bliss that is enjoyed . Swamy NammAzhwAr performed SaraNAgathi/Prapatthi and attained Sri Vaikuntam to serve the Lord and stay with Him . PiLLAn is a disciple of AchArya RaamAnuja and wrote a commentary for Swamy NammAzhwAr's sacred work in Tamil and commented on this Parama PurushArTam of SaraNAgathy . > > What I would like to know is if this parama-purusArtha counts as a > purusArtha APART from the above-outlined four, and thus counts as a > separate purusArtha as such. A fifth purusArtha, if you will? The Parama PurushArTam of Moksham is not outside the 4 listed as PurushArTams although a particular darsanam ( theistic philosophy ) callas Bhakthi as the fifth PurushArTam . Sri VaishNavaas folowing VisishtAdhvaitha darsanam agree on four PurushArtams. Srimath Bhagavath Gita is the best resource to understand these concepts about PurushArTams. V.Sadagopan > > Kind regards, > > S. Dadlani > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Respected Sadagopaji and all other bhAgavatas here, please accept my respectful pranams, Oppiliappan, Sadagopan <sgopan@c...> wrote: > Mukti or Moksham includes permanent residence in > the Lord's Supreme abode (Sri Vaikuntam ) and serving Him there to > the heart's content with blemish free kaimkaryam ( service) > and enjoying that bliss on a par with the Lord . What forms can this service take? I mean, how do the muktAs serve ZrIman NArAyaNa there? Is ZrIman NArAyaNa the only Lord there? What is meant by "enjoying bliss on a par with the Lord"? > The Parama PurushArTam of Moksham is not outside the 4 listed > as PurushArTams although a particular darsanam ( theistic > philosophy ) callas Bhakthi as the fifth PurushArTam . Sri VaishNavaas > folowing VisishtAdhvaitha darsanam agree on four PurushArtams. > If mokza is not outside the four purusArthas, then why is it described as 'parama' purusArtha? Does not 'parama' stand for higher, viz., higher than the previous four? Which darzana lists bhakti as fifth purusArtha? If possible, could you please provide references along with English translation? Kind regards, S. Dadlani > > V.Sadagopan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Dear Sri Dadlani : Where are you located ? Perhaps I can suggest some one closer to you to help . Lot of these matters are described in great detail in the many articles housed in http://www.sadagopan.org ( Parama Padha SopAnam ) . - "killuminati108" <killuminati <Oppiliappan> Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:39 PM Re: parama-purusArtha > Respected Sadagopaji and all other bhAgavatas here, please accept my > respectful pranams, > > Oppiliappan, Sadagopan <sgopan@c...> wrote: > > Mukti or Moksham includes permanent residence in > the Lord's Supreme abode (Sri Vaikuntam ) and serving Him there to > the heart's content with blemish free kaimkaryam ( service) > and enjoying that bliss on a par with the Lord . > What forms can this service take? I mean, how do the muktAs serve > ZrIman NArAyaNa there? Is ZrIman NArAyaNa the only Lord there? The Jeevan engages in Kaimkaryams that pleases the Lord and His DEvis . Singing for Him , Dancing for Him , carrying His aabharaNams , decorating Him , worshipping Him etc etc . Sriman NaarAyaNan is the LOrd of Sri Vaikuntam and there are no other Gods there , who are equal or Superior to Him . Brahma , Rudra , Indhra serve Him as His DaasAs . > What is meant by "enjoying bliss on a par with the Lord"? The liberated Jeevans in Sri Vaikuntam can enjoy BrahmAnandham through their services to the Lord (Archanai , AarAdhanam , UpachAram etc ) and vie with one another . The Lord gains aanandham by recieving those kamkaryams( Services from the muktha Jeevans). Thus they have the same level of joy .Whatever Bhagavaan's Iswaryam , the Jeevan is blessed to enjoy them . Only activities that the Jeevan does not share with Its Lord in Sri Vaikuntam is are the activities of creation , protection & dissolution of the Universe .That is a duty exclusive to the Lord . >> The Parama PurushArTam of Moksham is not outside the 4 listed >> as PurushArTams although a particular darsanam ( theistic >> philosophy ) callas Bhakthi as the fifth PurushArTam . Sri > VaishNavaas >> folowing VisishtAdhvaitha darsanam agree on four > PurushArtams. >> > > If mokza is not outside the four purusArthas, then why is it > described as 'parama' purusArtha? Does not 'parama' stand for > higher, viz., higher than the previous four? It is the Supreme and ultimate Goal and hence it is called the Parama PurushArhtam . It is eternal unlike arTam (wealth) and not pain causing ultimately (Kaamam ) . Observances of DharmAs and anushtAnams as directed by AchAryAs lead to Moksham , the Parama PurushArTam (the Supreme goal of life ) . > > Which darzana lists bhakti as fifth purusArtha? Dhvaitham founded by Sri MadhvAchArya. > > If possible, could you please provide references along with English > translation? http://www.sadagopan.org Dr.SMS Chary's books . V.Sadagopan > > Kind regards, > > S. Dadlani > > >> > V.Sadagopan >> > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Please excuse this ignorant writer for this silly query, but from whatever little one has read and understood, the parama-purushartha appears to be "Dharma" i.e. the first and foremost one. All the other three follow Dharma and are within the confines of Dharma. Yes, Bhakti is accepted as one of the factors, but Bhakti per se may perhaps come under 'moksha' or to a limited extent under 'artha' or 'kamam' because the common thread is : artha - work/vocation/responsibilities etc.- should be devotional in nature i.e. with Bhakti and Prappati Kama - again, the Kama here is the superior, the higher form, the mature form of artha itself i.e. Supreme Bhakti and love for the Tiruvadi itself - something akin to SriAndal's or Mira's intoxicating surrender Moksha - The act of Bhakti by itself may be a form of Moksha because then the person/entity ceases to exist and the existence is only in the form of a self-forgotten mumukshu who has lost himself/herself and even lost consciousness of the gender and totally immersed oneself into the Lord's Sacred Feet. Though seemingly living, breathing as a 'human' the person here may be considered as a Nityasuri Forgive any errors if any but these observations came about as one was meditating on the subject. Om tat sat Tat tvam asi Message for the month : LET GO ! "killuminati108" <killuminati@one Oppiliappan tel.com> cc: Re: parama-purusArtha 02/16/05 07:09 AM Please respond to Oppiliappan Respected Sadagopaji and all other bhAgavatas here, please accept my respectful pranams, Oppiliappan, Sadagopan <sgopan@c...> wrote: > Mukti or Moksham includes permanent residence in > the Lord's Supreme abode (Sri Vaikuntam ) and serving Him there to > the heart's content with blemish free kaimkaryam ( service) > and enjoying that bliss on a par with the Lord . What forms can this service take? I mean, how do the muktAs serve ZrIman NArAyaNa there? Is ZrIman NArAyaNa the only Lord there? What is meant by "enjoying bliss on a par with the Lord"? > The Parama PurushArTam of Moksham is not outside the 4 listed > as PurushArTams although a particular darsanam ( theistic > philosophy ) callas Bhakthi as the fifth PurushArTam . Sri VaishNavaas > folowing VisishtAdhvaitha darsanam agree on four PurushArtams. > If mokza is not outside the four purusArthas, then why is it described as 'parama' purusArtha? Does not 'parama' stand for higher, viz., higher than the previous four? Which darzana lists bhakti as fifth purusArtha? If possible, could you please provide references along with English translation? Kind regards, S. Dadlani > > V.Sadagopan > > ****************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential, and intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. Any copying or further distribution beyond the original addressee is not intended, and may be unlawful. The opinions expressed are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of HDFC Bank Ltd. The e_mail has been successfully scanned for presence of virus. It is recommended to scan the attachment before launching. ****************************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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