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Dear Devotees,

In this context, members may like to read the the following two

articles by (the late) Stephen Jay Gould, scientist in Theory of

Evolution, appealing for coexistence of the religious and scientific

belief systems:

 

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_noma.html

http://home.comcast.net/~surfings/Cogitation/Science_and_Religion.htm

 

An extract:

"Since every one of us must reach some decisions about the rules we

will follow in conducting our own lives, and since I trust that

nobody can be entirely indifferent to the workings of the world

around us, all human beings must pay at least rudimentary attention

to both magisteria of religion and science.The magisteria will not

fuse; so each of us must integrate these distinct components into a

coherent view of life. If we succeed, we gain something truly "more

precious than rubies", and dignified by one of the most beautiful

words in any language: wisdom." (magesteria = authoritative

teachings)

 

Dasan

krishnaswamy m k

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Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:12 AM

[RamanujaMission] Digest Number 468

 

Message: 9 Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:24:00 -0700 (PDT)

Badri Veera <rugveera >Re: darwin theory -

GodDear Vaishnavas: I think it is a unnecessary controversy that we

as Vaishnavas should abstain from. In the United states, the

Christian fundamentalists are opposed to Darwinian evolution due to

the nature of the church-laity relationship. Indic religion is very

exploratory and it should remain an inquisitive no-holds-barred type

of inquiry in order to further human understanding of nature. The

scientific evolution does not prohibit the existence of God and I do

not see any reason to tie the two together. Further, evolution of

species is not a theory in a conventional sense. It has been

rationally demonstrated to be the case through countless

archaelogical and bio-genetic studies. Additionally, science claims

consciousness is nothing but a bunch of clever computer programs that

have evolved over millions of years. So, the birth and death of

species is nothing but the death of these programs and cells. hmm.

enough of my spheeel! Also, this forum may not be even be the right

place to discuss this. Finally, the spiritual quest for understanding

God and the non-emotional purely-rational scientific pusuit of

understanding nature are best kept in seperate compartments.

RegardsBadri Veeraraghavan vinod sv <winode_sv (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:!!srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha!! !!srI krishNa parabrahmaNE

namaha!!!!srImAn nArAyaNa charaNau saraNam prapadyE!!dear

vaishNavAs,Unfortunately in the modern society, every one talksabout

science with half knowledge. If you ask anathiest why do not you care

for God, he responds thatscience has already found how different

beings aredeveloped, God is not responsible for our creation.

Ifscience has really proved evolution theory, then thereis a rational

reason why people do not believe inreligions. However it is notable

that Darwin'sevolutionary theory is not accepted completely withinthe

scientific communities itself, and there are manybasic deficiencies in

that theory to be accepted as afact.To speak about the evolution of

life, one should haveproper understanding of what life is, what birth

is,and what death is. Unfortunately there is no idea ofany of these

terms in the scientic literature. Thereader of this article can check

in www.google.com orany search website to find the definition of life.

Theauthor fortells the result of such a trial, thatscience factually

doesnot know what life is.They(scientists) have some idea of symptoms

of life(like growth, reproduction,...., but miss the mostessential

feature consciousness), but they do not havea comprehensive

understanding of life as a whole. Without even knowing what life is,

many scientistsclaim that they know how life has evolved. There

aremany other flaws in this theory and will not stand inthe test of

time. Many such theories will come and go,but the truth of life is

best explained in Vedas in acomprehensive manner. Unfortunately, the

academicbooks and half knowledged science teachers areteaching darwin

theory as a fact rather than a theory.Please save your self and your

children from falsepropaganada. Please donot lose faith on God based

onsome theories of flaws. dAsOham,srIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.

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It still cannot prove that life has no spiitual basis because spirit

by definition is an ontologically distinct entity that escapes

empirical trials. But these events IF they happened will definitely

weaken the case of vedanta and other religious denominations.

 

 

 

 

"M.K. Krishnaswamy" <krishnaswamy (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Devotees,

In this context, members may like to read the the following two

articles by (the late) Stephen Jay Gould, scientist in Theory of

Evolution, appealing for coexistence of the religious and scientific

belief systems:

 

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_noma.html

http://home.comcast.net/~surfings/Cogitation/Science_and_Religion.htm

 

An extract:

"Since every one of us must reach some decisions about the rules we

will follow in conducting our own lives, and since I trust that

nobody can be entirely indifferent to the workings of the world

around us, all human beings must pay at least rudimentary attention

to both magisteria of religion and science.The magisteria will not

fuse; so each of us must integrate these distinct components into a

coherent view of life. If we succeed, we gain something truly "more

precious than rubies", and dignified by one of the most beautiful

words in any language: wisdom." (magesteria = authoritative

teachings)

 

Dasan

krishnaswamy m k

-

<>

<>

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:12 AM

[RamanujaMission] Digest Number 468

 

Message: 9 Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:24:00 -0700 (PDT)

Badri Veera <rugveera >Re: darwin theory -

GodDear Vaishnavas: I think it is a unnecessary controversy that we

as Vaishnavas should abstain from. In the United states, the

Christian fundamentalists are opposed to Darwinian evolution due to

the nature of the church-laity relationship. Indic religion is very

exploratory and it should remain an inquisitive no-holds-barred type

of inquiry in order to further human understanding of nature. The

scientific evolution does not prohibit the existence of God and I do

not see any reason to tie the two together. Further, evolution of

species is not a theory in a conventional sense. It has been

rationally

demonstrated to be the case through countless archaelogical and

bio-genetic studies. Additionally, science claims consciousness is

nothing but a bunch of clever computer programs that have evolved

over millions of years. So, the birth and death of species is nothing

but the death of these programs and cells. hmm. enough of my spheeel!

Also, this forum may not be even be the right place to discuss this.

Finally, the spiritual quest for understanding God and the

non-emotional purely-rational scientific pusuit of understanding

nature are best kept in seperate compartments. RegardsBadri

Veeraraghavan vinod sv <winode_sv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:!!srImathE

rAmAnujAya namaha!! !!srI krishNa parabrahmaNE namaha!!!!srImAn

nArAyaNa charaNau saraNam prapadyE!!dear

vaishNavAs,Unfortunately in the modern society, every one talksabout

science with half knowledge. If you ask anathiest why do not you care

for God, he responds thatscience has already found how different

beings aredeveloped, God is not responsible for our creation.

Ifscience has really proved evolution theory, then thereis a rational

reason why people do not believe inreligions. However it is notable

that Darwin'sevolutionary theory is not accepted completely withinthe

scientific communities itself, and there are manybasic deficiencies in

that theory to be accepted as afact.To speak about the evolution of

life, one should haveproper understanding of what life is, what birth

is,and what death is. Unfortunately there is no idea ofany of these

terms in the scientic literature. Thereader of this article can check

in www.google.com orany search website to find the definition of life.

Theauthor fortells the result of such a trial, thatscience factually

doesnot know what life is.They(scientists) have some idea of symptoms

of life(like growth, reproduction,...., but miss the mostessential

feature consciousness), but they do not havea comprehensive

understanding of life as a whole. Without even knowing what life is,

many scientistsclaim that they know how life has evolved. There

aremany other flaws in this theory and will not stand inthe test of

time. Many such theories will come and go,but the truth of life is

best explained in Vedas in acomprehensive manner. Unfortunately, the

academicbooks and half knowledged science teachers areteaching darwin

theory as a fact rather than a theory.Please save your self and your

children from falsepropaganada. Please donot lose faith on God based

onsome theories of flaws.

dAsOham,srIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa

vinOd.Do You

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SrI:

Dear List Members :

 

The nonoverlapping Magisteria and the empirical nature of science are

excellent topics for intellectual discussions . They are taking us haltingly

towards the summit of accumulated insights enshrined in the revelations of

the Vedic seers .

 

The Vedic and Upanishadic insights in to Creation and the origin of the Universe

is more appealing to me in its grand sweep and universality . The Unification

theory they provide is grand enough that satisfies me .

 

V.Sadagopan

 

- Rajaram Venkataramani

Oppiliappan ;

Cc: tiruvenkatam ; Oppiliappan

Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:25 AM

Re: Darwin theory & God

It is difficult to accept that micro-evolution, which is more of the

nature of controlled mutations in the labs is a proof of evolutionary

theory. Secondly, similarities are not proof of common ancestry though

it is one possibility. In any case, there is no substantial evidence

to show that chemicals automatically assembled in to self-replicated

biological structures that we call life today. There is an

investigation in to transgerity and if the researchers are

successful, they may be able to explain how inorganic chemicals

assembled in to organic chemicals and then in to self-replicating

biological structures. If old age disease and death can be stopped,

it will prove that these events have a physio-chemical basis rather

than any metaphysical connotation.

 

It still cannot prove that life has no spiitual basis because spirit

by definition is an ontologically distinct entity that escapes

empirical trials. But these events IF they happened will definitely

weaken the case of vedanta and other religious denominations.

 

 

 

 

"M.K. Krishnaswamy" <krishnaswamy (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Devotees,

In this context, members may like to read the the following two

articles by (the late) Stephen Jay Gould, scientist in Theory of

Evolution, appealing for coexistence of the religious and scientific

belief systems:

 

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_noma.html

http://home.comcast.net/~surfings/Cogitation/Science_and_Religion.htm

 

An extract:

"Since every one of us must reach some decisions about the rules we

will follow in conducting our own lives, and since I trust that

nobody can be entirely indifferent to the workings of the world

around us, all human beings must pay at least rudimentary attention

to both magisteria of religion and science.The magisteria will not

fuse; so each of us must integrate these distinct components into a

coherent view of life. If we succeed, we gain something truly "more

precious than rubies", and dignified by one of the most beautiful

words in any language: wisdom." (magesteria = authoritative

teachings)

 

Dasan

krishnaswamy m k

-

<>

<>

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:12 AM

[RamanujaMission] Digest Number 468

 

Message: 9 Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:24:00 -0700 (PDT)

Badri Veera <rugveera >Re: darwin theory -

GodDear Vaishnavas: I think it is a unnecessary controversy that we

as Vaishnavas should abstain from. In the United states, the

Christian fundamentalists are opposed to Darwinian evolution due to

the nature of the church-laity relationship. Indic religion is very

exploratory and it should remain an inquisitive no-holds-barred type

of inquiry in order to further human understanding of nature. The

scientific evolution does not prohibit the existence of God and I do

not see any reason to tie the two together. Further, evolution of

species is not a theory in a conventional sense. It has been

rationally demonstrated to be the case through countless

archaelogical and bio-genetic studies. Additionally, science claims

consciousness is nothing but a bunch of clever computer programs that

have evolved over millions of years. So, the birth and death of

species is nothing but the death of these programs and cells. hmm.

enough of my spheeel! Also, this forum may not be even be the right

place to discuss this. Finally, the spiritual quest for understanding

God and the non-emotional purely-rational scientific pusuit of

understanding nature are best kept in seperate compartments.

RegardsBadri Veeraraghavan vinod sv <winode_sv (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:!!srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha!! !!srI krishNa parabrahmaNE

namaha!!!!srImAn nArAyaNa charaNau saraNam prapadyE!!dear

vaishNavAs,Unfortunately in the modern society, every one talksabout

science with half knowledge. If you ask anathiest why do not you care

for God, he responds thatscience has already found how different

beings aredeveloped, God is not responsible for our creation.

Ifscience has really proved evolution theory, then thereis a rational

reason why people do not believe inreligions. However it is notable

that Darwin'sevolutionary theory is not accepted completely withinthe

scientific communities itself, and there are manybasic deficiencies in

that theory to be accepted as afact.To speak about the evolution of

life, one should haveproper understanding of what life is, what birth

is,and what death is. Unfortunately there is no idea ofany of these

terms in the scientic literature. Thereader of this article can check

in www.google.com orany search website to find the definition of life.

Theauthor fortells the result of such a trial, thatscience factually

doesnot know what life is.They(scientists) have some idea of symptoms

of life(like growth, reproduction,...., but miss the mostessential

feature consciousness), but they do not havea comprehensive

understanding of life as a whole. Without even knowing what life is,

many scientistsclaim that they know how life has evolved. There

aremany other flaws in this theory and will not stand inthe test of

time. Many such theories will come and go,but the truth of life is

best explained in Vedas in acomprehensive manner. Unfortunately, the

academicbooks and half knowledged science teachers areteaching darwin

theory as a fact rather than a theory.Please save your self and your

children from falsepropaganada. Please donot lose faith on God based

onsome theories of flaws. dAsOham,srIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.

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