Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Dear srivaishNava perunthagaiyeer, Since just I finished the 'game of waiting', the hangover of that 'love' continues. One of the stages of love is shy-less-ness. To prove this, it is said by elders say while gossiping [about some youngsters when they have fallen in love with some girl and insisted about marrying her only], 'that so and so boy stood on a single leg just to marry that so and so girl only" - to put it in tamil and colloquially 'anthap paiyan ivaLaiyE [alladhu anthap poNNaiyE] kalyaaNam paNNippEnnu oththak kaalil ninnaan". So, to desire some thing and achieve that same thing with some force, it is usual to say "stand on one leg and achieve"- literally means strive hard and achieve. While picturizing visvaamithra or some other rishi, or for that matter even raavaNan, doing penance, it is generally shown in TV or cinema as they are all standing on one leg and doing the penance. This means doing a saahasak kaaryam - a risky and strenuous job. But why that 'dharmam' or the dharma dhEvathai - personification of dharmam - not 'yama'- should stand on one leg? What dharmam has to achieve? Because, to save that dharmam, from being snatched away or robbed away by rogues and raakshasaas, paramaathmaa sriman naaraayaNa, [for me it is my sri kishna], takes many avathaarams and does that saahasak kaaryam. Then what for dharmam should stand on one leg? Is it really puzzling? Or has dharmam been created with one leg only by that paranaathmaa, thinking that, we, common people will be able to topple that at our convenience and free will? Is it his intention "Hey let dharmam have only one leg, and let all these people feel comfortable that they have toppled dharmam". Or is it true that, as a special case, dharmam is created to stand comfortably, with that one leg only. No, Sirs and Madams, dharmam had initially four legs, but as time passed, lost its legs one by one. You may say, 'hey, your imagination is very good'. Dear bhakthaas, it is not my imagination but srimadh bhaagavatham says so, that dharmam stands on one leg only, now, in this kali yugam, but earlier , in other yugams, dharmam had four legs. thapa: saicham dhayaa sathyamithi paadhaa: kruthE kruthaa: | adharmaamsaisthrayO bhagnaa: smaya-sangamadhais thava || -1-17-24 srimadh bhaagavatham [1 means first skandham, 17th is sargam, slokam 24] word by word meaning: thapa: - austerity; saicham - cleanliness; dhayaa - mercy; sathyam - truthfulness; ithi - thus; paadhaa: - legs; kruthE - in the age of sathya; kruthaa: - established; adharma - ir-religiosity; amsai: - by the parts; thraya: - three combined; bhagnaa: - broken; smaya - pride; sanga -too much association with women; madhai: - intoxication; tava - your. Summary: In the age of sathya [truthfulness] your four legs were established by the four principles of austerity, cleanliness, mercy and truthfulness. But it appears that three of your legs are broken due to rampant irreligion in the form of pride, lust for women, and intoxication. Slokam 1-17 -25 srimadh bhaagavatham idhaaneem dharma paadhas thE sathyam nirvarthayEdhyatha: | tham jighrukshathyadharmO~yam anruthEnaiDhitha: kali: || word by word meaning: idhaaneem - at the present moment; dharma: - O personality of religion; paadha: - leg; thE - of you; sathyam - truthfulness; nirvarthayEth - hobbling along somehow or other; yatha: - whereby; tham - that; jighrukshathi - trying to destroy; adharma: - the personality of irreligion; ayam - this; anruthEna - by deceit; Edhitha: - flourishing; kali: - quarrel personified. summary You are now standing on one leg only, which is your truthfulness, and you are somehow or other hobbling along. But quarrel personified [Kali], flourishing by deceit, is also trying to destroy that leg. The principles of dharmam do not stand on some dogmas or man-made formulas, but they stand on four primary regulative observances, or legs namely 1. austerity, 2. cleanliness, 3. mercy 4. truthfulness. 1. Austerity means to accept voluntarily things, which may or may not be very comfortable for the body but are conducive for god or spiritual realization. A very good example is fasting. Fasting twice or four times a month is a sort of austerity, which can be voluntarily accepted for god or spiritual realization only, and not for any other purposes, like political or otherwise. 2. Cleanliness is necessary both for the mind and body. Bodily clean may help to some extent, but cleanliness more in the mind is necessary. It is effected by glorifying the Supreme Lord. No one can cleanse the accumulated mental dirt without glorifying the Supreme Lord. 3. Mercy is to have compassion to all. Human mind is expandable in love and love given towards all [without considering the gender], enhances his nature and hastens god realization. 4. Truthfulness in thought and action leads one towards easy elevation in peace of mind and as such an easy step in god realization. We have to see things by their resultant action. The resultant action of human civilization in the age of Kali is dissatisfaction, so everyone is anxious to get peace of mind. This peace of mind was complete in the Sathya age because of the existence of the above-mentioned attributes of the human beings. Gradually these attributes have diminished in the thrEthaa-yuga to three fourths, in the dhvaapara to half, and in this age of kali to one fourth, which is also gradually diminishing on account of prevailing untruthfulness. By pride, either artificial or real, the resultant action of austerity is spoiled; by too much affection for female association, cleanliness is spoiled; by too much addiction to intoxication, mercy is spoiled; and by too much 'lying propaganda', truthfulness is spoiled. Dear bahkthaas, I am not here to preach. But just to point out certain facts as given above. About this dharmam having one leg srimadh rahasya thraya saaram of swamy dhesikan also has the following -- ithyaadhigaLilE kali yugaththil bhaagavathargal vasikkum dhEsa visEsham sollugaiyaalE indha yugaththil ip pradhEsangaLil bhaagavatha parigruheethamaana sthalangalE parigraahyangaL. Thiru naaraayaNeeyaththil "Eka paadha sthithE dharma yathra kvachana gaamini katham vasthathrayam asmibhir bhagavan thath vadhasva na:" enRu dhEvargaLum viNNappam seyya --- page 549 vol 1 of SRTS by sri uthamoor swamy. Commenting on above sri uthamoor swamy puts his version as "sudhdha sthalamum aasthika parigrahamum illaadha pOdhu vidath thakkadhu enbadhai bhaarthaththil irundhu nirubikkiRaar. Thiru naaraayaNeeyaththil ithi - mudhalil naalu paadhangaLodu irundha dharmam engiRa vrushabham aanadhu kaliyil 3 paadhangaL pOi oru kaalOdu iruppadhu aagiRa vEru idam selluvadhu aana pOdhu, pazhaiya idaththil naangaL eppadi vasippadhu emprumaanE, engaLukku solla vENum enRanar. [Thapas, gnaanam, yagnam, dhaanam, enbana 4 paadhangaL. dhaanam ippOdhu uLLa paadham enradhu nyaaya kusumaanjali.] After reading all these, we can understand very well that at each age one aspect is considered supreme and other three are supportive. In kali truthfulness is more important. Of course, my point in raising this "standing on one leg" is NOT TO PREACH but to learn from experts of SRTS, what is this 'naaraayaNeeyam' referred in SRTS. a. It cannot be "maaha naaraayaNa upanishadh" or the "naaraayaNa anuvaagham" of thaithreeya upanishadh, the fourth part, after the three 'vallees'. For this slokam is not appearing in the upanishadh. b. In the book of SRTS published by srimadh aandavan aasramam, it is said this slokam ref by swamy desikan is in "saanthi parvam" ch 249 85th slokam. Of course the sentence of Uthamoor swamy is also there referring to mahaa bhaaratham. But there are only 17 slokams in ch 249 and that too the chapter deals with talking with dhoumya rishi in kanteeka vanam. [i am referring vana parvam as available in internet - mahaabhaarata based on the poona critical edition produced by muneo tokunaga kyoto, japan and the english translation of Sri Kesari Mohan ganguli.] Then what is this 'naaraayaNeeyam' referred? Is it that 'mahaa bhaaratham' has a name such as 'naaraayaNeeyam'? Of course, I know mahaa bhaaratham is called 'jayam'. But this is some thing new. If I straightaway throw this question, perhaps you may not be interested. That is why all this. Awaiting a reply from the scholars of the forum Dhasan Vasudevan m.g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dear Shrr MG VasudEvan swAmy, I am just penning (keyboarding) the 'A Peep into Periya Thiru-mozhi-148' which traverses this very subject of 'dharmam' Hence, I am able to immediately recall the following. krishNan dharmam sanAthanam: rAmOA vigravAn dharmA: 'vundhannai piRavip perumthanaip puNNiyam yAmudaiyOam' thiruppAvai 28 'aRam periyan Ar adhaRivAr'iRandAm thiruvandhAdhi 52; 'aRAm thAnAi thirivAi' periya thirumozhi 6-3-2; rgds. dAsan vanamamalai padmanabhan - M.G.Vasudevan oppiliappan Cc: ramanuja Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:22 PM standing on one leg Dear srivaishNava perunthagaiyeer,Since just I finished the 'game of waiting', the hangover of that 'love' continues. One of the stages of love is shy-less-ness. To prove this, it is said by elders say while gossiping [about some youngsters when they have fallen in love with some girl and insisted about marrying her only], 'that so and so boy stood on a single leg just to marry that so and so girl only" - to put it in tamil and colloquially 'anthap paiyan ivaLaiyE [alladhu anthap poNNaiyE] kalyaaNam paNNippEnnu oththak kaalil ninnaan". So, to desire some thing and achieve that same thing with some force, it is usual to say "stand on one leg and achieve"- literally means strive hard and achieve. While picturizing visvaamithra or some other rishi, or for that matter even raavaNan, doing penance, it is generally shown in TV or cinema as they are all standing on one leg and doing the penance. This means doing a saahasak kaaryam - a risky and strenuous job. But why that 'dharmam' or the dharma dhEvathai - personification of dharmam - not 'yama'- should stand on one leg? What dharmam has to achieve? Because, to save that dharmam, from being snatched away or robbed away by rogues and raakshasaas, paramaathmaa sriman naaraayaNa, [for me it is my sri kishna], takes many avathaarams and does that saahasak kaaryam. Then what for dharmam should stand on one leg? Is it really puzzling? Or has dharmam been created with one leg only by that paranaathmaa, thinking that, we, common people will be able to topple that at our convenience and free will? Is it his intention "Hey let dharmam have only one leg, and let all these people feel comfortable that they have toppled dharmam". Or is it true that, as a special case, dharmam is created to stand comfortably, with that one leg only. No, Sirs and Madams, dharmam had initially four legs, but as time passed, lost its legs one by one. You may say, 'hey, your imagination is very good'. Dear bhakthaas, it is not my imagination but srimadh bhaagavatham says so, that dharmam stands on one leg only, now, in this kali yugam, but earlier , in other yugams, dharmam had four legs. thapa: saicham dhayaa sathyamithi paadhaa: kruthE kruthaa: |adharmaamsaisthrayO bhagnaa: smaya-sangamadhais thava || -1-17-24 srimadh bhaagavatham [1 means first skandham, 17th is sargam, slokam 24]word by word meaning: thapa: - austerity; saicham - cleanliness; dhayaa - mercy; sathyam - truthfulness;ithi - thus; paadhaa: - legs; kruthE - in the age of sathya; kruthaa: - established;adharma - ir-religiosity; amsai: - by the parts; thraya: - three combined;bhagnaa: - broken; smaya - pride; sanga -too much association with women;madhai: - intoxication; tava - your.Summary: In the age of sathya [truthfulness] your four legs were established by the four principles of austerity, cleanliness, mercy and truthfulness. But it appears that three of your legs are broken due to rampant irreligion in the form of pride, lust for women, and intoxication.Slokam 1-17 -25 srimadh bhaagavathamidhaaneem dharma paadhas thE sathyam nirvarthayEdhyatha: |tham jighrukshathyadharmO~yam anruthEnaiDhitha: kali: ||word by word meaning:idhaaneem - at the present moment; dharma: - O personality of religion;paadha: - leg; thE - of you; sathyam - truthfulness; nirvarthayEth - hobbling along somehow or other; yatha: - whereby; tham - that; jighrukshathi - trying to destroy;adharma: - the personality of irreligion; ayam - this; anruthEna - by deceit;Edhitha: - flourishing; kali: - quarrel personified.summaryYou are now standing on one leg only, which is your truthfulness, and you are somehow or other hobbling along. But quarrel personified [Kali], flourishing by deceit, is also trying to destroy that leg.The principles of dharmam do not stand on some dogmas or man-made formulas, but they stand on four primary regulative observances, or legs namely 1. austerity, 2. cleanliness, 3. mercy 4. truthfulness. 1. Austerity means to accept voluntarily things, which may or may not be very comfortable for the body but are conducive for god or spiritual realization. A very good example is fasting. Fasting twice or four times a month is a sort of austerity, which can be voluntarily accepted for god or spiritual realization only, and not for any other purposes, like political or otherwise. 2. Cleanliness is necessary both for the mind and body. Bodily clean may help to some extent, but cleanliness more in the mind is necessary. It is effected by glorifying the Supreme Lord. No one can cleanse the accumulated mental dirt without glorifying the Supreme Lord. 3. Mercy is to have compassion to all. Human mind is expandable in love and love given towards all [without considering the gender], enhances his nature and hastens god realization. 4. Truthfulness in thought and action leads one towards easy elevation in peace of mind and as such an easy step in god realization. We have to see things by their resultant action. The resultant action of human civilization in the age of Kali is dissatisfaction, so everyone is anxious to get peace of mind. This peace of mind was complete in the Sathya age because of the existence of the above-mentioned attributes of the human beings. Gradually these attributes have diminished in the thrEthaa-yuga to three fourths, in the dhvaapara to half, and in this age of kali to one fourth, which is also gradually diminishing on account of prevailing untruthfulness. By pride, either artificial or real, the resultant action of austerity is spoiled; by too much affection for female association, cleanliness is spoiled; by too much addiction to intoxication, mercy is spoiled; and by too much 'lying propaganda', truthfulness is spoiled. Dear bahkthaas, I am not here to preach. But just to point out certain facts as given above. About this dharmam having one leg srimadh rahasya thraya saaram of swamy dhesikan also has the following -- ithyaadhigaLilE kali yugaththil bhaagavathargal vasikkum dhEsa visEsham sollugaiyaalE indha yugaththil ip pradhEsangaLil bhaagavatha parigruheethamaana sthalangalE parigraahyangaL. Thiru naaraayaNeeyaththil "Eka paadha sthithE dharma yathra kvachana gaamini katham vasthathrayam asmibhir bhagavan thath vadhasva na:" enRu dhEvargaLum viNNappam seyya --- page 549 vol 1 of SRTS by sri uthamoor swamy. Commenting on above sri uthamoor swamy puts his version as "sudhdha sthalamum aasthika parigrahamum illaadha pOdhu vidath thakkadhu enbadhai bhaarthaththil irundhu nirubikkiRaar. Thiru naaraayaNeeyaththil ithi - mudhalil naalu paadhangaLodu irundha dharmam engiRa vrushabham aanadhu kaliyil 3 paadhangaL pOi oru kaalOdu iruppadhu aagiRa vEru idam selluvadhu aana pOdhu, pazhaiya idaththil naangaL eppadi vasippadhu emprumaanE, engaLukku solla vENum enRanar. [Thapas, gnaanam, yagnam, dhaanam, enbana 4 paadhangaL. dhaanam ippOdhu uLLa paadham enradhu nyaaya kusumaanjali.]After reading all these, we can understand very well that at each age one aspect is considered supreme and other three are supportive. In kali truthfulness is more important. Of course, my point in raising this "standing on one leg" is NOT TO PREACH but to learn from experts of SRTS, what is this 'naaraayaNeeyam' referred in SRTS. a. It cannot be "maaha naaraayaNa upanishadh" or the "naaraayaNa anuvaagham" of thaithreeya upanishadh, the fourth part, after the three 'vallees'. For this slokam is not appearing in the upanishadh. b. In the book of SRTS published by srimadh aandavan aasramam, it is said this slokam ref by swamy desikan is in "saanthi parvam" ch 249 85th slokam. Of course the sentence of Uthamoor swamy is also there referring to mahaa bhaaratham. But there are only 17 slokams in ch 249 and that too the chapter deals with talking with dhoumya rishi in kanteeka vanam. [i am referring vana parvam as available in internet - mahaabhaarata based on the poona critical edition produced by muneo tokunaga kyoto, japan and the english translation of Sri Kesari Mohan ganguli.] Then what is this 'naaraayaNeeyam' referred? Is it that 'mahaa bhaaratham' has a name such as 'naaraayaNeeyam'? Of course, I know mahaa bhaaratham is called 'jayam'. But this is some thing new. If I straightaway throw this question, perhaps you may not be interested. That is why all this. Awaiting a reply from the scholars of the forumDhasanVasudevan m.g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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