Moola Prakruthi & Prakruthi

March 2, 2006

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Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan wrote:

SrI:

The meaning of Moola Prakruthi has been given by the Super Giant of

all groups, namely, Gitacharyan Himself in verses 7- 4 & 5 and further

finetuned in verses 14-3 & 4 (Bhagawad Gita).

Reading of the translation of these verses along with the context and

commentaries by any acharya will answer your question on the

difference between the two.

For your further question,

>>>>>>>>>>>however i am trying to understand what is moola

pakuthi(moola prakruthi).

Is it like a compounded gaseous substance ? made up of

Helium,hydrogen ,nitrogen , Oxygen etc... as per our modern science.or

is it like a normal soil(achith) ?

what is the difference between moola prakruthi & prakruthi.?

please explain this two Buzz words - Moola prakruthi & Prakruthi .

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instead asking you to search for the various texts, let me give the

relevant portions below and leave it to your judgement.

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First begin with the Nasadiya Hymn of Creation of Rig Veda

The Hymn of Creation (X.129) explains the origin of the world as the

evolution of existent from non-existent. Water came into being first;

from it was evolved intelligence by heat.

n¡sad¡s¢nno sad¡s¢ttad¡n¢Æ A

There was not the non-existent nor the existent then.

tama ¡s¢ttamas¡ g£lhamagre 'praketaÆ salilaÆ sarvam¡ idam A

Darkness was in the beginning hidden by darkness. This all was water.

The Aitareya UpaniÀad states:

¡tm¡ v¡ idameka ev¡gra ¡s¢t A n¡nyat ki´cana miÀat A

(I. 1.1)

In the beginning this was but the absolute self alone. There was

nothing else whatsoever.

sa im¡Æ¤allok¡nas¤jata A ambhomar¢cirmaram¡po . . . .

(I. 1.2)

He created these worlds, viz., ambhas; mar¢ci; mara and ¡paÅ.

Yajurveda

áUKLA YAJURVEDA

áatapatha Br¡hma¸a

praj¡patirv¡ idamagra ¡s¢t A . . . tasm¡tpuruÀ¡ttaptad¡po j¡yante A. .

.. . ap¡Æ tapt¡n¡Æ pheno j¡yante A (V1.1.3)

In the beginning there was only the Creator. From him the 'water' was

formed; from the water heated, the 'foam' was formed.

The B¤had¡ra¸yakopaniÀad says

naiveha kiµcan¡gra ¡s¢t A m¤tyunaivedam¡v¤tam¡s¢t A

tanmano'kuruta so'rcannacarat A tasy¡rcata ¡po'j¡yanta A

(I. 2.1)

In the beginning there was nothing. The universe was enveloped by

death alone. He produced mind. He moved about worshipping himself. As

he was worshipping himself, water was produced.

vkiks ok vdZ% rn~;nika 'kj vklhÙkegU;rA lk i`fFkO;Hkor~A

¡po v¡ arkaÅ tadyadap¡Æ ¿ara ¡s¢ttamahanyata A s¡ p¤thivyabhavatA (I.2.2)

Water verily is arka. What was there as froth of water hardened and it

became earth (the cosmic egg, embryonic state of the Universe).

K¤À¸a Yajurveda

The Taittir¢yopaniÀad says:

asadv¡ idamagra ¡s¢t A tato vai sadaj¡yata A

tad¡tm¡naÆ svayamakuruta A tasm¡ttatsuk¤tamucyata iti AA

(II.vii.1)

In the beginning all this was unmanifested. From that emerged the

manifested. The Brahman created Itself by Itself. Therefore it is

called the self-creator.

The Ka¶hopaniÀad says:

na tatra s£ryo bh¡ti na candrat¡rakaÆ nem¡ vidyuto bh¡nti kuto'yamagniÅ A

tamevabh¡ntamanubh¡ti sarvaÆ tasyabh¡s¡ sarvamidaÆ vibh¡ti AA

(II. ii.15)

There the sun does not shine, neither do the moon and the stars; nor

do these flashes of lightning shine. How can fire? He shining all

these shine; through his lustre all these are variously illuminated.

Atharva Veda

y¡r¸ave'dhiÆ salilamagra ¡s¢t A

(K¡¸·a; XII. 8)

Earth was formerly water upon the ocean of space.

rohito dy¡v¡ jaj¡na A . . . . aja ekap¡do'hahaddy¡v¡ p¤thiv¢

balena . . . .

(XIII. 6)

Rohita produced heaven and earth. The one footed goat, the sun made

firm the heavens and earth with his strength.

The Mu¸·aka UpaniÀad (II.ii.10) reiterates the words of Ka¶hopaniÀad (II.ii.15)

etasm¡jj¡yate pr¡¸o manaÅ sarvendriy¡¸i ca A

khaÆ v¡yurjyotir¡paÅ p¤thiv¢ vi¿vasya dh¡ri¸¢ AA (II.1.3)

>From him originate - vital force, mind, all senses, space, air, fire,

water and earth that support everything.

tasm¡dagniÅ samidhayo yasya s£ryaÅ A

( II.1.5).

>From him emerges the fire (heaven) of which the sun is the fuel.

The M¡¸·£kya K¡rik¡s say:

svapnam¡ye yath¡ d¤Àte gandharvanagaraÆ yath¡ A

tath¡ vi¿vamidaÆ d¤ÀtaÆ ved¡nteÀu vicakÀanaiÅ AA

(II. 3.1)

Just as dream and magic are seen to be unreal, or as is a city in the

sky, the whole universe is known to be unreal.

The Pra¿na UpaniÀad (III.8) equates the Sun with pr¡¸a, Earth with

ap¡na, Space with sam¡na, Air with vy¡na and Luminosity with ud¡na.

pr¡¸¡cchraddh¡Æ khaÆ v¡yurjyotir¡paÅp¤thiv¢ndriyaÆ manaÅ A

(VI.4.)

>From pr¡¸a, Space, Air, Fire, Water, Earth were created.

In addition to these traditional four Vedas, the Paµcama Veda

Mah¡bh¡rata also has important observations on cosmogony:

¡k¡¿¡dabhavadv¡ri salil¡dagnim¡rutau A

agnim¡rutasaÆyog¡tatassambhavanmah¢ AA

(á¡ntiparvan, 180.16)

Water was formed from the space; from water, fire and wind, and from

their reaction the earth was formed.

agnipavana saÆyukta kh¡t samukÀipate jalam A

so'gnim¡ruta saÆyog¡t ghanatvamupapadyate AA

tasy¡k¡¿¡nnip¡taÅ sneh¡ttiÀ¶hati yo'paraÅ A

sa saÆghatv¡m¡p¡tto bh£mitvamanugacchati AA

(á¡ntiparvan, 180.15)

The water produced in the sky by fire and wind attains solid state

owing to the reaction of fire and wind. The oily quality of the water

produced from the sky takes the form of the earth.

The S¡Ækhya system of Dar¿ana considers the origin of the

paµcamah¡bh£tas in the atomic form by means of combinations of the

tanm¡tr¡s:

k¤À¸ap¡d¡c¡rya (tattvatrayavivara¸am)atr¡yaÆ kramaÅ - bh£tadeÅ

¿abdatanm¡traÆ j¡yate, ¿abdatanm¡traÆ bh£t¡dir¡v¤¸oti, tata ¡k¡¿o

j¡yate, tato'sm¡t ¿abdatanm¡tr¡t spar¿a tanm¡traÆ j¡yate,

spar¿atanm¡traÆ ¿abdatanm¡tram¡v¤¸oti, evaÆ ¿abdatanm¡trav¤t¡d

¡k¡¿asah¡yak¡t spar¿atanm¡tr¡d v¡yurj¡yate, tato'sm¡t spar¿atan-m¡tr¡t

r£patanm¡traÆ j¡yate, r£patanm¡traÆ spar¿atanm¡tra-m¡v¤¸oti, evaÆ

spar¿atanm¡tr¡v¤t¡d v¡yusah¡yak¡t r£patanm¡tr¡d tejo j¡yate A evam¡di

A

The ¿abdatanm¡tra produced the Space and also the spar¿atanm¡tra and

the combination of the Space with the spar¿atanm¡tra produces the

Atmosphere (V¡yu). The r£patanm¡tra is produced from the spar¿a

tanm¡tra and envelopes the spar¿atanm¡tra. From the enveloped

spar¿atanm¡tra, the r£patanm¡tra with the help of the V¡yu produces

the fire etc.

The cosmological ideas in Vedas can thus be summarised as:

1. In the beginning there was neither the non-existent nor the existent.

2. The Supreme cosmogonic force by the sheer Will to produce the

universe first in the form of darkness enveloped in darkness.

3. The cosmological waters ambhas got manifested next in the form of

undifferentiated fluid in darkness where there was no light

whatsoever.

4. From the cosmic waters, combined with the motivation to move and

probably as a consequencce of the friction, fire called arka got

generated.

5. Due to the action of the fire and water, wind was produced and the

combination of wind, fire and water produced a froth which got

solidified subsequently to form the earth.

6. The Supreme Brahman who is like an uplifted thunderbolt, makes the

entire universe to emerge and to move. Thus the cosmic fluid

originates due to the motion induced by the Will of the Supreme Soul

moves the undifferentiated atoms into an undifferentiated cloud of

dark fluid which because of the friction of motion attains heat and

gives rise to the cosmic earth (the cosmic egg or the embryonic state

of the universe), which is the protostar of the modern concept of

cosmogony. The further motion of the cosmic fluid along with the

cosmic earth produced the ekapada aja, the sun. The sun is the Pr¡¸a

and from this Pr¡¸a the Paµcabh£tas originated.

The specific contributions by Vedas to the cosmogony, in superiority

to the most modern cosmological concepts, thus include: (a) The

concept of non-existent and non-non-existent state simultaneously; (b)

The Supreme Will which motivated the non-differentiated atoms to

combine to get differentiated into various forms like the nebula -

ambhas; the frictional fire - arka; the protostar - cosmic earth

(brahm¡¸·a) and finally the sun which is the pr¡¸a which

differentiated the paµcamah¡bh£tas.

In spite of the unprecedented advancements in the science and

technology, we are still as enlightened as the Vedic seers and their

philosophical idea -

iyaÆ vis¤Àtiryata ¡babh£va yadi v¡ dadhe yadi v¡ na A

yo'sy¡dhyakÀaÅ parame vyoman so a´ga veda yadi v¡ na veda AA

(]ÎV, X.129)

Where from has this cosmogony come; who is its chief architect?

whether he knows or not - is still as valid and as beautiful as when

it was composed.

Please refer,

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Hindu_Cosmology.htm

(Note from this writer:- From the above, the form of moola prakruthi

can be deduced. For further understanding, a combined raeding of

Chandogya and Taittriya will help)

Pranams,

jayasree saranathan.

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Maaran's Dog

Shri:

Adiyaen;s Pranaams & Dhanyoshmin

Can any one of you explain what is meant by moola prakruthi.

please pardon my ignorance . i got this word from P.B.A Swamy

vyaakyaanam book. Ref: 10.10.9 (muthal thani vithayyo... )

i am finding very very difficult to understand the P.B.A swaamy

vyaakyaanam itself. so unclear, confusing after reading this for 10

times.

Dear T.C.A , Shrimathi Sumitra & family , padmanaabhan and so on ,

the Giants of !! can you shed some light on it.

The wording goes like this. 10.10.7

( Yenathu aaviyei, in-uyirai manakaaraamai manni undittaaay ..)

looks easy at reading...right. vyaakyaanam is tough !!!

The complexity goes like this . P.B.A swamy says that

in this context .., Aavi is different from uyir. and he frequently

uses the word Prakruthi and moola prakruthi...( Are we composed of 4

entities such as chith, achith,prakruthi,aathma vasthu ? )

To some extent , i was able to understand that we all came from a

single Golden egg shell called moola prakruthi. what is moola

prakruthi ?

If i understand these concepts the origin of infinite number of souls

can be clearly sketch able !!

Core References :

1. Yen perukku il an-nalathu , Thiru-vaai mozhi Ref 1.2

deriving from the above ., Raamanusa Nootranthathi

goes like this...

2. karuthariya-par-pal-uyir-kalum , pallu ulagu yaavum ... ,

- Raamanusa Nootranthathi - amuthanaar

Thanks for your input.

Adiyaen

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March 21, 2006

Some facts on Mulap prakruthi from Thathvathrayam -Achith prakaraNam

of svAmi PiLLai LokAchAryAr -Periya jEyar vyAkyAnam

1. Mulap prakruthi: Is the subtle form which manifests itself into

pancha-bhUdhangaL, sensory organs and so on.

2. The Mulaprakruthi or the unmodified cause - When the three guNAs -sattva,

rajas, thamas are in a balanced state, the subtle form occurs.

3. In this subtle form there is no distintion in the forms and is in a

homogeneous state.

4. When the balance in the guNA is disturbed, the forms and names manifest

itself and the state of hetrogeneous forms comes up.

5. Thus this mula prakruthi is the base for the sporting activities of -lEla of

the EmperumAn for cause and destruction ( back to subtle state).

(to be continued)

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

May 27, 2006

Dear Swamin

I have been following the discussion on the topic of prakruthi and moola prakruthi by Shri Vanamamalai Padmanabhan and Smt . Jayasree Saranathan. based on the Nammazhwar Pasurams and Vedas respectively on evolution.

I have no differences the way it has been explained.

I have a doubt whether Moola Prakrothi and Prakru thi are one and the same. Perhaps the Moola prakruthi is a part of prakruthi from which emanates the 24 tatvas namely ,mahat,ahankara ,five tanmatras, five Bhutas, five gnana indriyas and five karmendriyas and manas..

According to Vishitadvaita Philosophy, only three things chit and achit and Iswara are realities. The various things that exist fall into one of these.

Prakruthi fall under misra sattva category and is achit.

Soundararajan

Maaran's Dog <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

shri:

dear Shrimathi jayasree saranathan

you can not hide your knwoledge base from me. so i am forwarding your mail to all in the . as i am going through a tough challenge in ASP..Net project.soon i shall read your mail.

Adiyaen

Maaran's Dog !!

Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan > wrote:

SrI:

The meaning of Moola Prakruthi has been given by the Super Giant of

all groups, namely, Gitacharyan Himself in verses 7- 4 & 5 and further

finetuned in verses 14-3 & 4 (Bhagawad Gita).

Reading of the translation of these verses along with the context and

commentaries by any acharya will answer your question on the

difference between the two.

For your further question,

>>>>>>>>>>>however i am trying to understand what is moola

pakuthi(moola prakruthi).

Is it like a compounded gaseous substance ? made up of

Helium,hydrogen ,nitrogen , Oxygen etc... as per our modern science.or

is it like a normal soil(achith) ?

what is the difference between moola prakruthi & prakruthi.?

please explain this two Buzz words - Moola prakruthi & Prakruthi .

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

instead asking you to search for the various texts, let me give the

relevant portions below and leave it to your judgement.

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