The dude Vasishtha chewing some blades of grass with the dude Rama

[Guest guest]

I shall now declare to you the creation and its secret.For, it is only as long

as one invests the perceived object with realitythat bondage lasts;once that

notion goes,with it goes bondage.Here in this creationonly that which is

created grows,decays and then goes to either heaven or hell,and gets

liberated.During the cosmic dissolution,the entire universe is resolved into

the infinite being,which is variously designated asSelf, Absolute, Truth, etc.,

by the wise,to facilitate communication and dialogue.This same infinite self

conceives within itselfthe duality of oneself and the other.Thence, mind

arises,as a wave arises when the surface of the calm ocean is disturbed.But,

please bear in mind that just as a bracelet of gold is but gold(and though gold

exists without being a bracelet,a bracelet does not exist without gold or other

metal),the qualities and the nature of the createdand the potentiality of

creationare inherent in the creator.The mind is non-different from (has no

existence independent of)the infinite self.Even as the mirage appears to be a

very real river of water,this creation appears to be entirely real.And, as long

as one clings to the notion of the reality of 'you' and 'I',there is no

liberation.Not by merely and verbally denying such a notion of existenceis it

obliterated:on the contrary such denial itself becomes a further

distraction.Rama, if the creation is in fact real,then there is no possibility

of its cessation:for it is an immutable law thatthe unreal has no real

existenceand the real does not cease to be.Austerity, meditation and such other

practicescan therefore not cause its cessation or enlightenment.As long as the

notion of creation lasts,even the contemplation (samadhi)in which there is no

movement of thought (nirvikalpa)is not possible.Even if it were possible,the

moment one returns from such contemplation,the creation with its sorrow arises

in the mind.Movement of thought creates the notion of created objects.Even as

the essence in all things,as oil exists in sesame seeds,as aroma exists in

flowers,the faculty of objective perceptionexists in the perceiver.Even as the

dream objects are experienced only by the dreamer,the objects of perception are

experienced by the perceiver.Just as from a seed the sprout arises in due

time,this potentiality becomes manifest as the notion of creation.

[Guest guest]

---Dear Sandeep ,thank you for posting so elegantly this extract from the Yoga

Vashista,a book

Ramana used to study with close Devotees .This great book does contain

contradictions about the

world as real or unreal etc. and in his 40 Verses [verse 3]Sri Maharshi advises

us not to be

engaged in this controversey but to leave the world alone , and endeavour to

know the

Self.However in other places he does say it is necesary for the aspiring sadhak

to regard the

world as unreal until Self Realisation when it will be seen as Real ,i.e.an

appearance in Brahman

whose substratum is Brahman .In my view this extract from the Yoga Vashista is

to weaken the

hold of the world on aspirants and prevent disastrous identification with it

..Thanks again

,warm regards,In Him, Alan

>

>

> I shall now declare to you

>

> the creation and its secret.

>

> For, it is only as long as one invests

>

> the perceived object with reality

>

> that bondage lasts;

>

> once that notion goes,

>

> with it goes bondage.

>

> Here in this creation

>

> only that which is created grows,

>

> decays and then goes to either heaven or hell,

>

> and gets liberated.

>

> During the cosmic dissolution,

>

> the entire universe is resolved into the infinite being,

>

> which is variously designated as

>

> Self, Absolute, Truth, etc., by the wise,

>

> to facilitate communication and dialogue.

>

> This same infinite self conceives within itself

>

> the duality of oneself and the other.

>

> Thence, mind arises,

>

> as a wave arises when the surface of the calm ocean is disturbed.

>

> But, please bear in mind that just as a bracelet of gold is but gold

>

> (and though gold exists without being a bracelet,

>

> a bracelet does not exist without gold or other metal),

>

> the qualities and the nature of the created

>

> and the potentiality of creation

>

> are inherent in the creator.

>

> The mind is non-different from (has no existence independent of)

>

> the infinite self.

>

> Even as the mirage appears to be a very real river of water,

>

> this creation appears to be entirely real.

>

> And, as long as one clings to

>

> the notion of the reality of 'you' and 'I',

>

> there is no liberation.

>

> Not by merely and verbally denying such a notion of existence

>

> is it obliterated:

>

> on the contrary such denial itself becomes a further distraction.

>

> Rama, if the creation is in fact real,

>

> then there is no possibility of its cessation:

>

> for it is an immutable law that

>

> the unreal has no real existence

>

> and the real does not cease to be.

>

> Austerity, meditation and such other practices

>

> can therefore not cause its cessation or enlightenment.

>

> As long as the notion of creation lasts,

>

> even the contemplation (samadhi)

>

> in which there is no movement of thought (nirvikalpa)

>

> is not possible.

>

> Even if it were possible,

>

> the moment one returns from such contemplation,

>

> the creation with its sorrow arises in the mind.

>

> Movement of thought creates the notion of created objects.

>

> Even as the essence in all things,

>

> as oil exists in sesame seeds,

>

> as aroma exists in flowers,

>

> the faculty of objective perception

>

> exists in the perceiver.

>

> Even as the dream objects are experienced only by the dreamer,

>

> the objects of perception are experienced by the perceiver.

>

> Just as from a seed the sprout arises in due time,

>

> this potentiality becomes manifest as the notion of creation.

>

>

 

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