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Guest guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 Sandeep, vichara is a very earnest practice. Imagine you have to face death - what will you do? So earnest is vichara - each moment... So what's the sense of this life if not to take it up seriously? Prattling round? Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "Sandeep" <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > RamanaMaharshi, "ramana.bhakta" > <miles.wright@b...> wrote: > > > > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > > <SNIP> > > > Let's be clear...the final question, the Quest, must be tackled. > > > > > By whom? > > > <SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 VBG....Now THIS makes sense :-) RL Can Ramana be more clearer, than this,.......... when a muttering arose through that instrument.... There is no greater mystery than this - that being the Reality ourselves, we seek to gain Reality. We think that there is something binding our Reality and that it must be destroyed before the Reality is gained. It is so ridiculous. A day will dawn when you will yourself laugh at your effort. That,...... which is on the day of laughter,......... is also now. Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Attachment: (image/jpeg) 28ff913.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/jpeg) 28ff981.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 -- Guide to Spiritual Aspirants, Swamin PurushottamanandaGabriele Ebert <g.ebert (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote: Sandeep,vichara is a very earnest practice. Imagine you have to face death - what will you do? So earnest is vichara - each moment...So what's the sense of this life if not to take it up seriously? Prattling round?Gabriele --- In RamanaMaharshi, "Sandeep" <sandeepc@b...> wrote:> --- In RamanaMaharshi, "ramana.bhakta" > <miles.wright@b...> wrote:> > > > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya> > > <SNIP>> > > Let's be clear...the final question, the Quest, must be tackled.> > > > > By whom?> > > <SNIP>Community email addresses: Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to the India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Post your profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 Hi Gabriele, - Gabriele Ebert RamanaMaharshi Monday, September 29, 2003 02:18 AM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: The day of laughter Sandeep,vichara is a very earnest practice. Imagine you have to face death - what will you do? What is there to do? Life, death, appearance, disappearance, .......changing dancing energy patterns. What is to do with me? Death is always an interesting issue. And really all issues, spiritual or otherwise, relate to the issue of death. Seeing that time demolishes everything, you seek the timeless, hoping that in getting hold of the timeless, .........you will cheat death. Death of what,.... is the real question, is it not, Gabriele? Death of the biological organism? The biological organism is an outgrowth of a sperm and an ovum having done the hip-hop at some time. The essence of both the sperm and the ovum is the food ingested. The essence of food are the five fundamental elements of nature. At "death" of the biological organism which society has labeled "Gabriele",.....either through the process of cremation or burial or being fed to the vultures (if the prevailing ethos was Zorastrian/Parsees),.......the biological organism merges back to the same elements, from which it emerged. Dust to dust. Nothing lost, nothing gained. So whose death is to be faced? Is not any wondering about death, the wondering of what happens to my lap when I stand up or what happens to my fist when I open my fingers? So earnest is vichara - each moment...So what's the sense of this life if not to take it up seriously? If that is what moves you, that you must take it seriously. Very seriously. And maybe at some time, when you are relaxed, you might like to ponder,.......seriousness is always about associated with an agenda, is it not? That agenda may have spiritual overtones or it might be out and out about some mundane stuff. Whatever be the overtones, whatever be the form, .........with a prevailing sense of seriousness,....... there is a hidden sense of an agenda. And thus the sense of a "self" , the "me-Gabriele", to which that agenda is relevant and thus to be serious in completing that agenda. The seeking to complete the agenda through whatever tools, technique, methodology, instruction manuals, which appeals to that "me-Gabriele", depending on the prevailing conditioning-in-that-moment, in that biological organism. Have a look, whether that "serious self" has any independent existential reality? After all, it was once again Ramana who suggested that before trying to solve the issue, the Great Question, the Quest as Miles is suggesting, .......should you not find out, ....just who is it that has the issue, who is it that has the itchy agenda to be scratched. Have a look at that "serious self". And thus see the investment into the agenda by this notion, which as a consequence creates the sanctity,.... for that notion,....the sancity of the deeply held agenda. Which then "runs" it. Round and round the mulberry bush. Prattling round? Anybody, speaking or communicating through any other means, to somebody, anywhere at any time, ever, ..............what has happened, in that moment,.. is the birthing of a prattling. A prattling is a signature on flowing waters. No matter whether the instrument, through which the prattling arose in the moment, went by the label "Ramana" or "Jesus", or "Lao Tzu" or "Buddha" or "Renzai", "Mohammed", or "Mesiter Eckhart" or "Nisargadatta" .........or any other label that you can think of. This whole phenomenality, of which this Universe is one mere bubble, ............and of which this very dialogue is a nuance, .. ...this whole phenomenality.. ...a signature.... ....a thought. In the very moment of the signature's appearance,........ is it's immediate disappearance. In the very arising of the thought, is it's immediate dissipation. Shiva's exhalation, is the very inhalation, in the same moment. When Shiva could not maintain his seriousness even for a moment and immediately laughed the Primal laughter, what seriousness are you Gabriele talking about? <LOL> Just go.......Doooobeeee Dooobeeee Dooooooo (The most ancient mantra, the Gayatri of the Gayatri mantra) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 The language is good. In the beginning had a feeling that it will be the Guru's teachings that will be discussed. Love. --- Sandeep <sandeepc wrote: > Hi Gabriele, > > - > Gabriele Ebert > RamanaMaharshi > Monday, September 29, 2003 02:18 AM > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: The day of laughter > > > Sandeep, > vichara is a very earnest practice. Imagine you have to face death - > what will you do? > > What is there to do? > > Life, death, appearance, disappearance, .......changing dancing energy > patterns. > > What is to do with me? > > Death is always an interesting issue. > > And really all issues, spiritual or otherwise, relate to the issue of > death. > > Seeing that time demolishes everything, you seek the timeless, hoping > that in getting hold of the timeless, .........you will cheat death. > > > Death of what,.... is the real question, is it not, Gabriele? > > Death of the biological organism? > > The biological organism is an outgrowth of a sperm and an ovum having > done the hip-hop at some time. > > The essence of both the sperm and the ovum is the food ingested. > > The essence of food are the five fundamental elements of nature. > > At "death" of the biological organism which society has labeled > "Gabriele",.....either through the process of cremation or burial or > being fed to the vultures (if the prevailing ethos was > Zorastrian/Parsees),.......the biological organism merges back to the > same elements, from which it emerged. > > Dust to dust. > > Nothing lost, nothing gained. > > So whose death is to be faced? > > Is not any wondering about death, the wondering of what happens to my > lap when I stand up or what happens to my fist when I open my fingers? > > > > > > So earnest is vichara - each moment... > So what's the sense of this life if not to take it up seriously? > > If that is what moves you, that you must take it seriously. > Very seriously. > > And maybe at some time, when you are relaxed, you might like to > ponder,.......seriousness is always about associated with an agenda, is > it not? > > That agenda may have spiritual overtones or it might be out and out > about some mundane stuff. > > Whatever be the overtones, whatever be the form, .........with a > prevailing sense of seriousness,....... there is a hidden sense of an > agenda. > > And thus the sense of a "self" , the "me-Gabriele", to which that > agenda is relevant and thus to be serious in completing that agenda. > > The seeking to complete the agenda through whatever tools, technique, > methodology, instruction manuals, which appeals to that "me-Gabriele", > depending on the prevailing conditioning-in-that-moment, in that > biological organism. > > > Have a look, whether that "serious self" has any independent > existential reality? > > After all, it was once again Ramana who suggested that before trying > to solve the issue, the Great Question, the Quest as Miles is > suggesting, .......should you not find out, ....just who is it that has > the issue, who is it that has the itchy agenda to be scratched. > > Have a look at that "serious self". > > And thus see the investment into the agenda by this notion, which as a > consequence creates the sanctity,.... for that notion,....the sancity of > the deeply held agenda. > > Which then "runs" it. > > > Round and round the mulberry bush. > > > > Prattling round? > > Anybody, speaking or communicating through any other means, to > somebody, anywhere at any time, ever, ..............what has happened, > in that moment,.. is the birthing of a prattling. > > A prattling is a signature on flowing waters. > > No matter whether the instrument, through which the prattling arose in > the moment, went by the label "Ramana" or "Jesus", or "Lao Tzu" or > "Buddha" or "Renzai", "Mohammed", or "Mesiter Eckhart" or "Nisargadatta" > .........or any other label that you can think of. > > > This whole phenomenality, of which this Universe is one mere bubble, > ...........and of which this very dialogue is a nuance, .. > > ..this whole phenomenality.. > > ..a signature.... > > ...a thought. > > In the very moment of the signature's appearance,........ is it's > immediate disappearance. > > In the very arising of the thought, is it's immediate dissipation. > > Shiva's exhalation, is the very inhalation, in the same moment. > > When Shiva could not maintain his seriousness even for a moment and > immediately laughed the Primal laughter, what seriousness are you > Gabriele talking about? > > <LOL> > > Just go.......Doooobeeee Dooobeeee Dooooooo > > (The most ancient mantra, the Gayatri of the Gayatri mantra) > > > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 srinivasan suryanarayan wrote: om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya RamanaMaharshi, "ramana.bhakta" wrote: > > Let's be clear...the final question, the Quest, must be tackled. Sandeep <sandeepc (AT) bom3 (DOT) vsnl.net.in> wrote: > By whom? By one who is given to endless chatter. You. om gurave namah suri In defense of Sandeep, it should be noted that "Chatterji" is Sandeep's last name. Sandeep himself has pointed out that his last name indicates his natural tendencies. Everyone has tendencies. Chatter-Ji. The one who loves to chatter. There is nothing wrong with chattering. We love Chatterji. I suppose too much chattering can appear as too much chattering and overdone perhaps. Hard to say. There is a little chatter-ji in all of us. Mind itself is the little chatter-ji. In any case, due to his good merit, Sandeep has found his way to Bhagavan's list. Let us be compassionate and understanding. Chatter away, dear one. Yes, the day of laughter is now! :-). Reality is Here and Now. Where else would it be? :-). Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Another shift in perspective shows this in a new light... If "Sandeep" mails are read for "his" words without attaching a name/form/ego to it (which comes again because of "this mind's" habits/conditioning), it points to "this mind's" own areas of habits/conditioning. That then becomes an excellent opportunity to self gauge where this mind is working towards. :-) Might be poor choice of words, hope it conveys the right meaning intended :-) love Yamini --- Harsha wrote: > srinivasan suryanarayan wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > > > RamanaMaharshi, > "ramana.bhakta" wrote: > > > > > > Let's be clear...the final question, the > Quest, must be tackled. > > > > Sandeep <sandeepc wrote: > > > > > By whom? > > > > By one who is given to endless chatter. You. > > > > om gurave namah > > suri > > > In defense of Sandeep, it should be noted that > "Chatterji" is Sandeep's > last name. Sandeep himself has pointed out that his > last name indicates > his natural tendencies. Everyone has tendencies. > > Chatter-Ji. The one who loves to chatter. There is > nothing wrong with > chattering. We love Chatterji. I suppose too much > chattering can appear > as too much chattering and overdone perhaps. Hard to > say. There is a > little chatter-ji in all of us. Mind itself is the > little chatter-ji. > > In any case, due to his good merit, Sandeep has > found his way to > Bhagavan's list. Let us be compassionate and > understanding. Chatter > away, dear one. > > Yes, the day of laughter is now! :-). Reality is > Here and Now. Where > else would it be? :-). > > Love to all > Harsha > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 All shifts in perspective are false and have no reality whatsoever. The day of laughter is today! :-). Now! :-) :-). Love to all Harsha Yamini Gourishankar wrote: Another shift in perspective shows this in a new light... If "Sandeep" mails are read for "his" words without attaching a name/form/ego to it (which comes again because of "this mind's" habits/conditioning), it points to "this mind's" own areas of habits/conditioning. That then becomes an excellent opportunity to self gauge where this mind is working towards. :-) Might be poor choice of words, hope it conveys the right meaning intended :-) love Yamini --- wrote: > srinivasan suryanarayan wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > > > RamanaMaharshi, > "ramana.bhakta" wrote: > > > > > > Let's be clear...the final question, the > Quest, must be tackled. > > > > Sandeep <sandeepc (AT) bom3 (DOT) vsnl.net.in> wrote: > > > > > By whom? > > > > By one who is given to endless chatter. You. > > > > om gurave namah > > suri > > > In defense of Sandeep, it should be noted that > "Chatterji" is Sandeep's > last name. Sandeep himself has pointed out that his > last name indicates > his natural tendencies. Everyone has tendencies. > > Chatter-Ji. The one who loves to chatter. There is > nothing wrong with > chattering. We love Chatterji. I suppose too much > chattering can appear > as too much chattering and overdone perhaps. Hard to > say. There is a > little chatter-ji in all of us. Mind itself is the > little chatter-ji. > > In any case, due to his good merit, Sandeep has > found his way to > Bhagavan's list. Let us be compassionate and > understanding. Chatter > away, dear one. > > Yes, the day of laughter is now! :-). Reality is > Here and Now. Where > else would it be? :-). > > Love to all > Harsha > The New with improved product search Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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