Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 ---Dear Ben ,thanks for your reply .Yes ,now you remind me I remember our brief meeting .For some reason I did not immediately associate Ben Hassein with that young man .Thank you too for passing on this story of your adventure on the Hill .It shows that Arunachala looks after all of us who are heartfeltly sincere when we visit that sacred place.Are you going again?I am planning Mid-Nov to Mid Dec.Every best wish and warmest regards in Sri Bhagavan's Grace , Alan Dear Alan, > > It is written by Ibn Arabi, the medieval Muslim mystic/theologian. He mixes both jnana marga and > bhakti marga into his own special brand of "blood red wine of ecstasy". > Alan are you are aware that we met in Ramanashramam in May? We met only for a couple of minutes. > I would like to share two events that occurred during my stay and I will never forget them. > Most of the time I spend in the old hall or at the teastall outside...It was very crowded in the > ashram at the time. > On one occasion I decided to climb to the top of the hill; half way my climb I really panicked > because of the heat and I was not sure I had enough water with me to cool my head and keep my > body hydrated, I was severely sweating and loosing a lot water. I was all alone except for a > monkey clan that was watching my rather clumsy moves with lots of monkey-laughter. My heart was > pumping and I nearly fainted. Still I continued the climb and made it to the top. On the top I > found a little cave and I went inside to protect myself from the heat of noon. I could see the > old temple from there and the view was spectacular. There was also a green and yellow lizard(?) > watching me all the time. We stood there for a long time staring at each other. > There were some young Indian devotees of a baba up the hill and they shared some bread and tea > with me. It turned out I took the steep climb and there was another path that I could have taken > that was less steep. > They also accompanied me on the way back. Clouds rolled before the sun and a cool wind chased > the heat away. Later that night it would storm and rain. This was the day before I left. > When I arrived in Tiru and the ashram I met an Indian fellow and we both agreed to circumbulate > Arunachala. He told me to go bare footed so I did. > When we were approaching the town again suddenly a violent rainstorm rose and blew us inside a > little temple where arati or some kind of service was being performed. The devotees were very > friendly and asked us to circumbulate the idol (was it Ganesh?, I really don't remember) inside > three times and we were offered prasad by a devout lady devotee. After the rainstorm was over we > continued our way back to the ashram but the water in the streets made it impossible to see > where I was stepping in. I didn't want to get hurt so I decided to take a riksja back to the > ashram where my girlfriend was waiting. I was afraid she would be upset because I stayed away > much longer then anticipated. > Anyway, I felt the circumbulation was complete the moment we were literally blown into to that > little temple. > I offered my Indian companion dry clothes for his bus journey back home that night but he > wouldn't accept it. He said I was a guest in his country and he could not accept it. He also had > not much money to spend but still he insisted he would pay for everything (chai and some > snacks). He just wouldn't let me pay or do anything in return! That was very humbling. He said > goodbye soaking wet and there was nothing I could do. > You know, whatever situation we were in during our travelling through India people always would > show up unexpected and offer us all the help we needed. I always felt that Sri Ramana was there > to take care of us and make sure we would return home safely. > > > Ben. > - > Alan Jacobs > RamanaMaharshi > Friday, October 03, 2003 1:47 AM > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Alan-Hafiz / Ibn al- 'Arabi > > > ---dear Ben , > > Thank you for this beautiful poem where Self speaks to self .Is this by Hafiz or by you ?I > find it > quite inspirational and more powerful than prose sentences can ever be .I shall keep it by > me.Here's to the Muse of Arunachala , Namaskars , Alan > > > > The Friend to his friend: > > Love me, love me alone. > > Love yourself in me, in me alone. > > Attach yourself to me, > > No one is more inward than I. > > Others love you for their own sakes, > > I love you for yourself. > > And you, you flee from me. > > Dearly beloved! > > ... if you approach me, > > It is because I have approached you. > > > > I am nearer to you than yourself, > > Than your soul, than your breath. > > Who among creatures > > Would treat you as I do? > > I am jealous of you over you, > > I want you to belong to no other, > > Not even to yourself. > > Be mine, be for me as you are in me, > > Though you are not even aware of it. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release 9/1/2003 > > > > > > ______________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Dear Alan, I don't think I will go again. When I was there, in a way, my heart broke. I always felt I would go there once, never to return... :-) Ben. - Alan Jacobs RamanaMaharshi Friday, October 03, 2003 12:47 PM [RamanaMaharshi] -Hafiz / Ibn al- 'Arabi ---Dear Ben ,thanks for your reply .Yes ,now you remind me I remember our brief meeting .For somereason I did not immediately associate Ben Hassein with that young man .Thank you too forpassing on this story of your adventure on the Hill ..It shows that Arunachala looks after all ofus who are heartfeltly sincere when we visit that sacred place.Are you going again?I am planningMid-Nov to Mid Dec.Every best wish and warmest regards in Sri Bhagavan's Grace , Alan Dear Alan,> > It is written by Ibn Arabi, the medieval Muslim mystic/theologian. He mixes both jnana marga and> bhakti marga into his own special brand of "blood red wine of ecstasy".> Alan are you are aware that we met in Ramanashramam in May? We met only for a couple of minutes.> I would like to share two events that occurred during my stay and I will never forget them.> Most of the time I spend in the old hall or at the teastall outside...It was very crowded in the> ashram at the time.> On one occasion I decided to climb to the top of the hill; half way my climb I really panicked> because of the heat and I was not sure I had enough water with me to cool my head and keep my> body hydrated, I was severely sweating and loosing a lot water. I was all alone except for a> monkey clan that was watching my rather clumsy moves with lots of monkey-laughter. My heart was> pumping and I nearly fainted. Still I continued the climb and made it to the top. On the top I> found a little cave and I went inside to protect myself from the heat of noon. I could see the> old temple from there and the view was spectacular. There was also a green and yellow lizard(?)> watching me all the time. We stood there for a long time staring at each other.> There were some young Indian devotees of a baba up the hill and they shared some bread and tea> with me. It turned out I took the steep climb and there was another path that I could have taken> that was less steep.> They also accompanied me on the way back. Clouds rolled before the sun and a cool wind chased> the heat away. Later that night it would storm and rain. This was the day before I left.> When I arrived in Tiru and the ashram I met an Indian fellow and we both agreed to circumbulate> Arunachala. He told me to go bare footed so I did. > When we were approaching the town again suddenly a violent rainstorm rose and blew us inside a> little temple where arati or some kind of service was being performed. The devotees were very> friendly and asked us to circumbulate the idol (was it Ganesh?, I really don't remember) inside> three times and we were offered prasad by a devout lady devotee. After the rainstorm was over we> continued our way back to the ashram but the water in the streets made it impossible to see> where I was stepping in. I didn't want to get hurt so I decided to take a riksja back to the> ashram where my girlfriend was waiting. I was afraid she would be upset because I stayed away> much longer then anticipated.> Anyway, I felt the circumbulation was complete the moment we were literally blown into to that> little temple.> I offered my Indian companion dry clothes for his bus journey back home that night but he> wouldn't accept it. He said I was a guest in his country and he could not accept it. He also had> not much money to spend but still he insisted he would pay for everything (chai and some> snacks). He just wouldn't let me pay or do anything in return! That was very humbling. He said> goodbye soaking wet and there was nothing I could do.> You know, whatever situation we were in during our travelling through India people always would> show up unexpected and offer us all the help we needed. I always felt that Sri Ramana was there> to take care of us and make sure we would return home safely. > > > Ben.> - > Alan Jacobs > To: RamanaMaharshi > Friday, October 03, 2003 1:47 AM> Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Alan-Hafiz / Ibn al- 'Arabi> > > ---dear Ben ,> > Thank you for this beautiful poem where Self speaks to self .Is this by Hafiz or by you ?I> find it> quite inspirational and more powerful than prose sentences can ever be .I shall keep it by> me.Here's to the Muse of Arunachala , Namaskars , Alan > > > > The Friend to his friend: > > Love me, love me alone. > > Love yourself in me, in me alone. > > Attach yourself to me, > > No one is more inward than I. > > Others love you for their own sakes, > > I love you for yourself. > > And you, you flee from me. > > Dearly beloved! > > ... if you approach me, > > It is because I have approached you. > > > > I am nearer to you than yourself, > > Than your soul, than your breath. > > Who among creatures > > Would treat you as I do? > > I am jealous of you over you, > > I want you to belong to no other, > > Not even to yourself. > > Be mine, be for me as you are in me, > > Though you are not even aware of it. > > > > > > > > ---> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> > Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release 9/1/2003> > > > > > ______________________> Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 ---Dear Ben , WHO [?] knows what may happen or not happen .Whatever happens will be right ..After all the Friend [self] knows best for all.Love,in His Grace, Alan > I don't think I will go again. When I was there, in a way, my heart broke. I always felt I would > go there once, never to return... > > :-) > > Ben. > > - > Alan Jacobs > RamanaMaharshi > Friday, October 03, 2003 12:47 PM > [RamanaMaharshi] -Hafiz / Ibn al- 'Arabi > > > ---Dear Ben ,thanks for your reply .Yes ,now you remind me I remember our brief meeting .For > some > reason I did not immediately associate Ben Hassein with that young man ..Thank you too for > passing on this story of your adventure on the Hill .It shows that Arunachala looks after all > of > us who are heartfeltly sincere when we visit that sacred place.Are you going again?I am > planning > Mid-Nov to Mid Dec.Every best wish and warmest regards in Sri Bhagavan's Grace , Alan > > > Dear Alan, > > > > It is written by Ibn Arabi, the medieval Muslim mystic/theologian. He mixes both jnana marga > and > > bhakti marga into his own special brand of "blood red wine of ecstasy". > > Alan are you are aware that we met in Ramanashramam in May? We met only for a couple of > minutes. > > I would like to share two events that occurred during my stay and I will never forget them. > > Most of the time I spend in the old hall or at the teastall outside...It was very crowded in > the > > ashram at the time. > > On one occasion I decided to climb to the top of the hill; half way my climb I really > panicked > > because of the heat and I was not sure I had enough water with me to cool my head and keep > my > > body hydrated, I was severely sweating and loosing a lot water. I was all alone except for a > > monkey clan that was watching my rather clumsy moves with lots of monkey-laughter. My heart > was > > pumping and I nearly fainted. Still I continued the climb and made it to the top. On the top > I > > found a little cave and I went inside to protect myself from the heat of noon. I could see > the > > old temple from there and the view was spectacular. There was also a green and yellow > lizard(?) > > watching me all the time. We stood there for a long time staring at each other. > > There were some young Indian devotees of a baba up the hill and they shared some bread and > tea > > with me. It turned out I took the steep climb and there was another path that I could have > taken > > that was less steep. > > They also accompanied me on the way back. Clouds rolled before the sun and a cool wind > chased > > the heat away. Later that night it would storm and rain. This was the day before I left. > > When I arrived in Tiru and the ashram I met an Indian fellow and we both agreed to > circumbulate > > Arunachala. He told me to go bare footed so I did. > > When we were approaching the town again suddenly a violent rainstorm rose and blew us inside > a > > little temple where arati or some kind of service was being performed. The devotees were > very > > friendly and asked us to circumbulate the idol (was it Ganesh?, I really don't remember) > inside > > three times and we were offered prasad by a devout lady devotee. After the rainstorm was > over we > > continued our way back to the ashram but the water in the streets made it impossible to see > > where I was stepping in. I didn't want to get hurt so I decided to take a riksja back to the > > ashram where my girlfriend was waiting. I was afraid she would be upset because I stayed > away > > much longer then anticipated. > > Anyway, I felt the circumbulation was complete the moment we were literally blown into to > that > > little temple. > > I offered my Indian companion dry clothes for his bus journey back home that night but he > > wouldn't accept it. He said I was a guest in his country and he could not accept it. He also > had > > not much money to spend but still he insisted he would pay for everything (chai and some > > snacks). He just wouldn't let me pay or do anything in return! That was very humbling. He > said > > goodbye soaking wet and there was nothing I could do. > > You know, whatever situation we were in during our travelling through India people always > would > > show up unexpected and offer us all the help we needed. I always felt that Sri Ramana was > there > > to take care of us and make sure we would return home safely. > > > > > > Ben. > > - > > Alan Jacobs > > RamanaMaharshi > > Friday, October 03, 2003 1:47 AM > > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Alan-Hafiz / Ibn al- 'Arabi > > > > > > ---dear Ben , > > > > Thank you for this beautiful poem where Self speaks to self .Is this by Hafiz or by you ?I > > find it > > quite inspirational and more powerful than prose sentences can ever be ..I shall keep it > by > > me.Here's to the Muse of Arunachala , Namaskars , Alan > > > > > > > The Friend to his friend: > > > Love me, love me alone. > > > Love yourself in me, in me alone. > > > Attach yourself to me, > > > No one is more inward than I. > > > Others love you for their own sakes, > > > I love you for yourself. > > > And you, you flee from me. > > > Dearly beloved! > > > ... if you approach me, > > > It is because I have approached you. > > > > > > I am nearer to you than yourself, > > > Than your soul, than your breath. > > > Who among creatures > > > Would treat you as I do? > > > I am jealous of you over you, > > > I want you to belong to no other, > > > Not even to yourself. > > > Be mine, be for me as you are in me, > > > Though you are not even aware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release 9/1/2003 > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Dear Alan, You are certainly right. I am a blind man, the Friend will guide me. Love, Ben. - Alan Jacobs RamanaMaharshi Saturday, October 04, 2003 1:33 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] -Hafiz / Ibn al- 'Arabi ---Dear Ben ,WHO [?] knows what may happen or not happen .Whatever happens will be right .After all the Friend[self] knows best for all.Love,in His Grace, Alan> I don't think I will go again. When I was there, in a way, my heart broke. I always felt I would> go there once, never to return...> > :-)> > Ben.> > > > > > > > > - > Alan Jacobs > To: RamanaMaharshi > Friday, October 03, 2003 12:47 PM> [RamanaMaharshi] -Hafiz / Ibn al- 'Arabi> > > ---Dear Ben ,thanks for your reply .Yes ,now you remind me I remember our brief meeting .For> some> reason I did not immediately associate Ben Hassein with that young man ..Thank you too for> passing on this story of your adventure on the Hill .It shows that Arunachala looks after all> of> us who are heartfeltly sincere when we visit that sacred place.Are you going again?I am> planning> Mid-Nov to Mid Dec.Every best wish and warmest regards in Sri Bhagavan's Grace , Alan> > > Dear Alan,> > > > It is written by Ibn Arabi, the medieval Muslim mystic/theologian. He mixes both jnana marga> and> > bhakti marga into his own special brand of "blood red wine of ecstasy".> > Alan are you are aware that we met in Ramanashramam in May? We met only for a couple of> minutes.> > I would like to share two events that occurred during my stay and I will never forget them.> > Most of the time I spend in the old hall or at the teastall outside...It was very crowded in> the> > ashram at the time.> > On one occasion I decided to climb to the top of the hill; half way my climb I really> panicked> > because of the heat and I was not sure I had enough water with me to cool my head and keep> my> > body hydrated, I was severely sweating and loosing a lot water. I was all alone except for a> > monkey clan that was watching my rather clumsy moves with lots of monkey-laughter. My heart> was> > pumping and I nearly fainted. Still I continued the climb and made it to the top. On the top> I> > found a little cave and I went inside to protect myself from the heat of noon. I could see> the> > old temple from there and the view was spectacular. There was also a green and yellow> lizard(?)> > watching me all the time. We stood there for a long time staring at each other.> > There were some young Indian devotees of a baba up the hill and they shared some bread and> tea> > with me. It turned out I took the steep climb and there was another path that I could have> taken> > that was less steep.> > They also accompanied me on the way back. Clouds rolled before the sun and a cool wind> chased> > the heat away. Later that night it would storm and rain. This was the day before I left.> > When I arrived in Tiru and the ashram I met an Indian fellow and we both agreed to> circumbulate> > Arunachala. He told me to go bare footed so I did. > > When we were approaching the town again suddenly a violent rainstorm rose and blew us inside> a> > little temple where arati or some kind of service was being performed. The devotees were> very> > friendly and asked us to circumbulate the idol (was it Ganesh?, I really don't remember) > inside> > three times and we were offered prasad by a devout lady devotee. After the rainstorm was> over we> > continued our way back to the ashram but the water in the streets made it impossible to see> > where I was stepping in. I didn't want to get hurt so I decided to take a riksja back to the> > ashram where my girlfriend was waiting. I was afraid she would be upset because I stayed> away> > much longer then anticipated.> > Anyway, I felt the circumbulation was complete the moment we were literally blown into to> that> > little temple.> > I offered my Indian companion dry clothes for his bus journey back home that night but he> > wouldn't accept it. He said I was a guest in his country and he could not accept it. He also> had> > not much money to spend but still he insisted he would pay for everything (chai and some> > snacks). He just wouldn't let me pay or do anything in return! That was very humbling. He> said> > goodbye soaking wet and there was nothing I could do.> > You know, whatever situation we were in during our travelling through India people always> would> > show up unexpected and offer us all the help we needed. I always felt that Sri Ramana was> there> > to take care of us and make sure we would return home safely. > > > > > > Ben.> > - > > Alan Jacobs > > RamanaMaharshi > > Friday, October 03, 2003 1:47 AM> > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Alan-Hafiz / Ibn al- 'Arabi> > > > > > ---dear Ben ,> > > > Thank you for this beautiful poem where Self speaks to self .Is this by Hafiz or by you ?I> > find it> > quite inspirational and more powerful than prose sentences can ever be .I shall keep it> by> > me.Here's to the Muse of Arunachala , Namaskars , Alan > > > > > > > The Friend to his friend: > > > Love me, love me alone. > > > Love yourself in me, in me alone. > > > Attach yourself to me, > > > No one is more inward than I. > > > Others love you for their own sakes, > > > I love you for yourself. > > > And you, you flee from me. > > > Dearly beloved! > > > ... if you approach me, > > > It is because I have approached you. > > > > > > I am nearer to you than yourself, > > > Than your soul, than your breath. > > > Who among creatures > > > Would treat you as I do? > > > I am jealous of you over you, > > > I want you to belong to no other, > > > Not even to yourself. > > > Be mine, be for me as you are in me, > > > Though you are not even aware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---> > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> > > Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release 9/1/2003> > > > > > > > > > ______________________> > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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