Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 "Ramana acquiesced in these decisions ,because obedience to authority is a life preparationfor a higher obedience ." Dear Alan, dear readers, With all due respect, there is also great danger in this kind of obedience. Please bare with me. Crimes against humanity, the animal kingdom, and mother Earth have -and are- still being committed in the name of obedience to some kind of higher authority; be it divine, religious, political, ideological, economic etc. Blind acceptance, or better: to submit yourself without understanding what you are doing, to a power you have placed above you, outside you, to any form of authority, on the worldly as well as -even more so- on the spiritual level, only leads to stupidity, arrogance, blindness and therefore to acts of untold cruelty against all living beings. We can see this happening every day; at least, to speak for myself, I can. It is no joke what is going on in this world, we are destroying ourselves. And to say: "it is all maya" is the most horrible thing I have ever heard in my life, for that is just an excuse to go on with our collective suicide. I don't think Love, Guru, God, Friend, or whatever name you like to give it, is asking for obedience. It is asking for right understanding and according to this understanding we should take our responsibility and ACT. What our relationship is to this responsibility is at the core of every spiritual path: dharma. My "personal" relationship with the Friend is one of Love not obedience. Yet I am not an outlaw :-) The Friend is not outside me, the Friend is more inside me than I AM. Also, as this is a group dedicated to the teachings of Sri Ramana, I don't think Sri Ramana would have advised obedience. I think I understood he has been asking us to find out for ourselves, to use our intelligence, our own discrimination. I am sorry for this rather long post. But I had to get it out. Love, Ben. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 ---Dear Ben , I agree .In retrospect -this term obedience should have been better qualified and expressed as you have put it as'right understanding' .On the worldly level Ramana advised exercising Compassion to any suffering which comes into your life path which you could alleviate .He was compassionate to animals and trees as well as human beings .Love.in His Grace, Alan "Ramana acquiesced in these decisions ,because obedience to authority is a life preparation > for a higher obedience ." > > Dear Alan, dear readers, > > With all due respect, there is also great danger in this kind of obedience. Please bare with me. > Crimes against humanity, the animal kingdom, and mother Earth have -and are- still being > committed in the name of obedience to some kind of higher authority; be it divine, religious, > political, ideological, economic etc. > > Blind acceptance, or better: to submit yourself without understanding what you are doing, to a > power you have placed above you, outside you, to any form of authority, on the worldly as well > as -even more so- on the spiritual level, only leads to stupidity, arrogance, blindness and > therefore to acts of untold cruelty against all living beings. We can see this happening every > day; at least, to speak for myself, I can. > It is no joke what is going on in this world, we are destroying ourselves. And to say: "it is > all maya" is the most horrible thing I have ever heard in my life, for that is just an excuse to > go on with our collective suicide. > I don't think Love, Guru, God, Friend, or whatever name you like to give it, is asking for > obedience. It is asking for right understanding and according to this understanding we should > take our responsibility and ACT. What our relationship is to this responsibility is at the core > of every spiritual path: dharma. > My "personal" relationship with the Friend is one of Love not obedience. Yet I am not an outlaw > :-) The Friend is not outside me, the Friend is more inside me than I AM. > > Also, as this is a group dedicated to the teachings of Sri Ramana, I don't think Sri Ramana > would have advised obedience. I think I understood he has been asking us to find out for > ourselves, to use our intelligence, our own discrimination. > I am sorry for this rather long post. But I had to get it out. > > Love, > > Ben. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release 9/1/2003 > ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://mail.messenger..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Dear Alan, Thank you for your reply. I hope you understand it was not my intention to criticize you :-) I just wanted to share what I think of as essential. Yes, Sri Ramana was the embodiment of Compassion, his life was an example. May all living beings find this Compassion inside and act accordingly. Love, Ben. - Alan Jacobs RamanaMaharshi Monday, October 06, 2003 9:00 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Obedience to authority ---Dear Ben ,I agree .In retrospect -this term obedience should have been better qualified and expressed as youhave put it as'right understanding' .On the worldly level Ramana advised exercising Compassion toany suffering which comes into your life path which you could alleviate .He was compassionate toanimals and trees as well as human beings .Love.in His Grace, Alan "Ramana acquiesced in these decisions ,because obedience to authority is a life preparation> for a higher obedience ."> > Dear Alan, dear readers,> > With all due respect, there is also great danger in this kind of obedience. Please bare with me.> Crimes against humanity, the animal kingdom, and mother Earth have -and are- still being> committed in the name of obedience to some kind of higher authority; be it divine, religious,> political, ideological, economic etc.> > Blind acceptance, or better: to submit yourself without understanding what you are doing, to a> power you have placed above you, outside you, to any form of authority, on the worldly as well> as -even more so- on the spiritual level, only leads to stupidity, arrogance, blindness and> therefore to acts of untold cruelty against all living beings. We can see this happening every> day; at least, to speak for myself, I can. > It is no joke what is going on in this world, we are destroying ourselves. And to say: "it is> all maya" is the most horrible thing I have ever heard in my life, for that is just an excuse to> go on with our collective suicide. > I don't think Love, Guru, God, Friend, or whatever name you like to give it, is asking for> obedience. It is asking for right understanding and according to this understanding we should> take our responsibility and ACT. What our relationship is to this responsibility is at the core> of every spiritual path: dharma.> My "personal" relationship with the Friend is one of Love not obedience. Yet I am not an outlaw> :-) The Friend is not outside me, the Friend is more inside me than I AM. > > Also, as this is a group dedicated to the teachings of Sri Ramana, I don't think Sri Ramana> would have advised obedience. I think I understood he has been asking us to find out for> ourselves, to use our intelligence, our own discrimination.> I am sorry for this rather long post. But I had to get it out.> > Love,> > Ben.> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release 9/1/2003> ______________________Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://mail.messenger..co.uk Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to the ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 You have missed the essence of ramana teaching which is not obedience or use of our intellect. It is to surrender to our universal self so that you can discover who you really are.Also this surrender would in mouna provide you divine guidance for your most pressing spiritual question.Thats ramanas way.It is not to consciously rationalise.If you do that you will most definitely miss the buss spiritually. Ravi Sankar ZambiaBen Hassine <ben.hassine (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl> wrote: "Ramana acquiesced in these decisions ,because obedience to authority is a life preparationfor a higher obedience ." Dear Alan, dear readers, With all due respect, there is also great danger in this kind of obedience. Please bare with me. Crimes against humanity, the animal kingdom, and mother Earth have -and are- still being committed in the name of obedience to some kind of higher authority; be it divine, religious, political, ideological, economic etc. Blind acceptance, or better: to submit yourself without understanding what you are doing, to a power you have placed above you, outside you, to any form of authority, on the worldly as well as -even more so- on the spiritual level, only leads to stupidity, arrogance, blindness and therefore to acts of untold cruelty against all living beings. We can see this happening every day; at least, to speak for myself, I can. It is no joke what is going on in this world, we are destroying ourselves. And to say: "it is all maya" is the most horrible thing I have ever heard in my life, for that is just an excuse to go on with our collective suicide. I don't think Love, Guru, God, Friend, or whatever name you like to give it, is asking for obedience. It is asking for right understanding and according to this understanding we should take our responsibility and ACT. What our relationship is to this responsibility is at the core of every spiritual path: dharma. My "personal" relationship with the Friend is one of Love not obedience. Yet I am not an outlaw :-) The Friend is not outside me, the Friend is more inside me than I AM. Also, as this is a group dedicated to the teachings of Sri Ramana, I don't think Sri Ramana would have advised obedience. I think I understood he has been asking us to find out for ourselves, to use our intelligence, our own discrimination. I am sorry for this rather long post. But I had to get it out. Love, Ben. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to the Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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