Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 This question has bothered me for quite some time. Please read this and provide your enlightened perspectives...please Our human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic forces that we bring to our current life from previous lives. The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to play out in our current life - after all it is all a path, a journey - that we need to pass through. Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are born with - enforce their will on our lives - seemingly dictated by these very karmic forces. For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our journey, it seems clear that we shouldn't mess with these karmic forces, but bear the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and the bad. That is the key for our progress But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we are unable to bear the 'pains' - through mantras, stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? Does this still play out in some other form in our current life? Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be left to play out and that will help lead to spiritual growth. Please do share your experiences in this... Shiva Bhakta http://www.jyotirlinga.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 my dear shiva- this may sound simplistic,but i think that any karma -apparently good or bad-may be turned to our spiritual advantage by asking the question "to whom is this situation occurring?".It is only to the limited sense of I ,the ego,that situations can seem to occur.Get rid of the phantom "i" and the situations will simultaneously disappear. Yours in all humility-michael dillon >"Shiva Bhakta" <shivabhakta >RamanaMaharshi >"Shiva Bhakta" ><shivabhakta,<LordShivaDevotees>,<Ammachi@gro\ ups.com>,<RamanaMaharshi>,<Lord_Shiva>,<Shakti_S\ adhana> >[RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress >Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:50:53 -0800 > >This question has bothered me for quite some time. Please read this and >provide your enlightened perspectives...please > >Our human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic forces that we bring to >our current life from previous lives. >The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to play out in our current >life - after all it is all a path, a journey - that we need to pass >through. > >Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are born with - enforce >their will on our lives - seemingly dictated by these very karmic forces. >For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our journey, it seems clear >that we shouldn't mess with these karmic forces, but bear >the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and the bad. That is the >key for our progress > >But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we are unable to bear the >'pains' - through mantras, stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it >postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? Does this still play out >in some other form in our current life? > >Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? > >I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be left to play out and that >will help lead to spiritual growth. > >Please do share your experiences in this... > >Shiva Bhakta >http://www.jyotirlinga.com > > _______________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Dear Shiva, All that you see, hear, and experience is temporal and therefore unreal. Find that which is real and eternal and all karma will cease. Karma is temporal also. Atma vicharya or Self Inquiry is the most direct way to discovering your true primordial beingness. Once you are awake to that, your job is to continue to establish yourself in that. It is an ongoing process for some, for others , it is easy and automatic. Pure consciousness is your eternal Self, that is what you already are. Discover that and you will be free of all past life vasanas and karmas. Samadhi Mayi Ma www.angelfire.com/hi/samaadhi >"michael dillon" >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi >RE: [RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress >Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:59:11 +0000 > > > > my dear shiva- this may sound simplistic,but i think that any karma >-apparently good or bad-may be turned to our spiritual advantage by asking >the question "to whom is this situation occurring?".It is only to the >limited sense of I ,the ego,that situations can seem to occur.Get rid of the >phantom "i" and the situations will simultaneously disappear. > > Yours in all humility-michael dillon > > > > "Shiva Bhakta" > >RamanaMaharshi > >"Shiva Bhakta" > >,,,,, > >[RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress > >Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:50:53 -0800 > > > >This question has bothered me for quite some time. Please read this and > >provide your enlightened perspectives...please > > > >Our human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic forces that we bring to > >our current life from previous lives. > >The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to play out in our current > >life - after all it is all a path, a journey - that we need to pass > >through. > > > >Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are born with - enforce > >their will on our lives - seemingly dictated by these very karmic forces. > >For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our journey, it seems clear > >that we shouldn't mess with these karmic forces, but bear > >the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and the bad. That is the > >key for our progress > > > >But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we are unable to bear the > >'pains' - through mantras, stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it > >postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? Does this still play out > >in some other form in our current life? > > > >Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? > > > >I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be left to play out and that > >will help lead to spiritual growth. > > > >Please do share your experiences in this... > > > >Shiva Bhakta > >http://www.jyotirlinga.com > > > > > >_______________ >Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. >http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 RamanaMaharshi, "Shiva Bhakta" <shivabhakta@h...> wrote: > Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? > IMHO, Shri Ramana would have answered "Find out who's progress will be hindered"?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? Continuous Surrender / Enquiry is the end of all karma? Dear Siva Through Bhagavan's Grace, I have learned to stay one-pointedly with the 'I', turning it within. At first it required intense effort to still the mind that it might surrender. Now, less and less effort is required, the effort itself being the hindrance. Though the three karmas, (past, present and future), appearing as mind, attempt to cling to my body, there is a continuous dissolution, or pull within. It (the ego 'I') now enjoys its own disintegration. In the surrender, there is a 'fire' which 'burns' all three. Unknowable karmic thoughts on fire. Whatever is there that believes it is separate is 'burned'. The 'I' now has absolutely no interest in the content; ensuring its own demise. Such relief and release to the body which labours beneath the burden of ignorance. This is the Blessing within Bhagavan's Wisdom: 'No interest in the content.' Not labelling it good, bad or any other combination of polarities. Not labelling it past, present or future. Simply surrendering the feeling 'I exist', to the Holy Flame within. Does the ego 'I', still believe it is the doer? Yes, though it feels the pain of its misplaced authority and returns more and more to the peace within. It is literally too painful to remain separate from Bhagavan. Continuous Surrender / Enquiry is the end of all karma? I offer the following prayer: O Bhagavan; I am You, I Am. You are Me, You Are. I Am, You Are, We Are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Janananda Bharati's biography of Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati "Saint of Sringeri" gives examples of rituals that have cut short the period of troubles or reduced the intensity of calamities, but have not heard about troubles being carried forward -- if this were possible, our ego would always seek to postone them ad infinitum. Bhagavan has said somewhere that the slides of our current movie-life are chosen before the body comes into existence. Anyway, wanting to postpone troubles is another way of perpetuating ego. We should, as recommended by fellow pilgrims, follow Bhagavan's instructions and find out the truth behind the personallity that seeks to postpone troubles. And has He not said trouble occur because of His Grace? Yours in Bhagavan, shyamShiva Bhakta <shivabhakta (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: This question has bothered me for quite some time. Please read this and provide your enlightened perspectives...please Our human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic forces that we bring to our current life from previous lives. The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to play out in our current life - after all it is all a path, a journey - that we need to pass through. Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are born with - enforce their will on our lives - seemingly dictated by these very karmic forces. For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our journey, it seems clear that we shouldn't mess with these karmic forces, but bear the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and the bad. That is the key for our progress But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we are unable to bear the 'pains' - through mantras, stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? Does this still play out in some other form in our current life? Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be left to play out and that will help lead to spiritual growth. Please do share your experiences in this... Shiva Bhakta http://www.jyotirlinga.com Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi To visit your group on the web, go to:RamanaMaharshi/ To from this group, send an email to:RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to the India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, Picture Messages and more. Download now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 >"SAMADHI Samadhi" >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi >RE: [RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress >Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:28:12 +0000 > Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. RamanaMaharshi Bcc: "SAMADHI Samadhi" samaadhi Mailing-List: list RamanaMaharshi; contact RamanaMaharshi-owner Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:28:12 +0000 RE: [RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress Dear Shiva, All that you see, hear, and experience is temporal and therefore unreal. Find that which is real and eternal and all karma will cease. Karma is temporal also. Atma vicharya or Self Inquiry is the most direct way to discovering your true primordial beingness. Once you are awake to that, your job is to continue to establish yourself in that. It is an ongoing process for some, for others , it is easy and automatic. Pure consciousness is your eternal Self, that is what you already are. Discover that and you will be free of all past life vasanas and karmas. Samadhi Mayi Ma www.angelfire.com/hi/samaadhi >"michael dillon" >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi >RE: [RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress >Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:59:11 +0000 > > > > my dear shiva- this may sound simplistic,but i think that any karma >-apparently good or bad-may be turned to our spiritual advantage by asking >the question "to whom is this situation occurring?".It is only to the >limited sense of I ,the ego,that situations can seem to occur.Get rid of the >phantom "i" and the situations will simultaneously disappear. > > Yours in all humility-michael dillon > > > > "Shiva Bhakta" > >RamanaMaharshi > >"Shiva Bhakta" > >,,,,, > >[RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress > >Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:50:53 -0800 > > > >This question has bothered me for quite some time. Please read this and > >provide your enlightened perspectives...please > > > >Our human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic forces that we bring to > >our current life from previous lives. > >The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to play out in our current > >life - after all it is all a path, a journey - that we need to pass > >through. > > > >Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are born with - enforce > >their will on our lives - seemingly dictated by these very karmic forces. > >For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our journey, it seems clear > >that we shouldn't mess with these karmic forces, but bear > >the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and the bad. That is the > >key for our progress > > > >But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we are unable to bear the > >'pains' - through mantras, stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it > >postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? Does this still play out > >in some other form in our current life? > > > >Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? > > > >I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be left to play out and that > >will help lead to spiritual growth. > > > >Please do share your experiences in this... > > > >Shiva Bhakta > >http://www.jyotirlinga.com > > > > > >_______________ >Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. >http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshiRamanaMaharshi/ RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 I feel that to decide with the mind is fall into problems. Ask the heart "What feels peaceful?" If one physically turns away from questions and problems, makes the mind silent and places the hand on the right side heart, sinks down below the mind, and asks for guidance, and wisdom, it will be found. Direct Experience is the key. One might go through a negative experience, but if one learns the lesson, then in retrospect, the experience was not negative. One has grown and gained courage. One learns to trust the heart and the mind is taught to serve it. To do millions of little things in the spirit of serving the One in the heart, asking love to help you, is to find joy. The real meaning of love must be found. I remember having so many interruptions that I was beginning to feel angry all the time. This forced me to learn, what I call "touch and let go" in which I'm sunk in the heart in silence, totally focused on a task, and with each interruption, I willingly and purposely bring my attention to the person, and as soon as I've answered, I bring my attention back to the heart. Karma is for the ego. If the ego goes, then there is no Karma. "Who am I" will dissolve the ego. linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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