Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Karma can be softenned not avoided. This is possible as follows and also avoid future karma HOW TO AVOID CREATING KARMA When an action is performed with a motive it binds man by creating fresh Karma. But not when the same action is performed without attachment. This is the right way of engaging in action taught in the Gita. But, one will certainly ask whether it is possible to act like this. In worldly life as it is the norm to be result oriented in every endeavour the Gita teaching may appear an impractical ideal to pursue. But, it is not so. It is only when there is attachment to the result of one's action that there will be anxiety about it and therefore one will not be able to engage in it with total involvement. By dedicating all actions to God the mind becomes free to give full attention to whatever one is engaged in and also develop the right frame of mind to accept whatever be the outcome as God's grace. Hope this enlightens you in your spiritual path Ravi Sankar Lusaka, ZambiaShiva Bhakta <shivabhakta (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: This question has bothered me for quite some time. Please read this and provide your enlightened perspectives...please Our human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic forces that we bring to our current life from previous lives. The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to play out in our current life - after all it is all a path, a journey - that we need to pass through. Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are born with - enforce their will on our lives - seemingly dictated by these very karmic forces. For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our journey, it seems clear that we shouldn't mess with these karmic forces, but bear the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and the bad. That is the key for our progress But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we are unable to bear the 'pains' - through mantras, stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? Does this still play out in some other form in our current life? Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be left to play out and that will help lead to spiritual growth. Please do share your experiences in this... Shiva Bhakta http://www.jyotirlinga.com Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi To visit your group on the web, go to:RamanaMaharshi/ To from this group, send an email to:RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to the Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Dear Ravi, The only way to extinguish all karma forever is to awaken to the true Self, your primordial timeless presence. The most direct path to That is Self Inquiry. There can be no real detachment from anything until the Self is Realized. All effort should be toward Self Inquiry, nothing else. Karma is temporal and therefore is not real. It appears real for those who believe in it. That is why those who have Realized Reality are not affected by karma. True Knowledge, Knowledge of Self, extinguishes karma once and for all. Samadhi Mayi Ma www.angelfire.com/hi/samaadhi >revathi ravisankar >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi, Shiva Bhakta , LordShivaDevotees, Ammachi, Lord_Shiva, >Reply: [RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress >Sat, 3 Jan 2004 05:54:11 +0000 (GMT) > >Dear Sir, > >Karma can be softenned not avoided. This is possible as follows and also avoid future karma > >HOW TO AVOID CREATING KARMA > > > >When an action is performed with a motive it binds man by creating fresh Karma. But not when the same action is performed without attachment. This is the right way of engaging in action taught in the Gita. But, one will certainly ask whether it is possible to act like this. In worldly life as it is the norm to be result oriented in every endeavour the Gita teaching may appear an impractical ideal to pursue. But, it is not so. It is only when there is attachment to the result of one's action that there will be anxiety about it and therefore one will not be able to engage in it with total involvement. By dedicating all actions to God the mind becomes free to give full attention to whatever one is engaged in and also develop the right frame of mind to accept whatever be the outcome as God's grace. >Hope this enlightens you in your spiritual path > >Ravi Sankar >Lusaka, Zambia > >Shiva Bhakta wrote: >This question has bothered me for quite some time. Please read this and provide your enlightened perspectives...please > >Our human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic forces that we bring to our current life from previous lives. >The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to play out in our current life - after all it is all a path, a journey - that we need to pass through. > >Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are born with - enforce their will on our lives - seemingly dictated by these very karmic forces. >For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our journey, it seems clear that we shouldn't mess with these karmic forces, but bear >the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and the bad. That is the key for our progress > >But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we are unable to bear the 'pains' - through mantras, stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? Does this still play out in some other form in our current life? > >Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? > >I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be left to play out and that will help lead to spiritual growth. > >Please do share your experiences in this... > >Shiva Bhakta >http://www.jyotirlinga.com > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: >RamanaMaharshi/ > > >RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work — and yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 This in no way opposes Ramana's teaching; but he made it clear that karma can actually be avoided. By non-identification with the entity (i.e. the ego)which alone experiences and is subject to karma, that karma becomes solely that of 'another'. It is as if a puppeteer comes to realize that he need not feel any distress if his puppets are damaged, because he is no longer a puppet. All destiny is the destiny of a collection of chemicals we call 'our body', thereby emphasising that we are a soul with a body, not a body with a soul. Or as Teilhard de Chardin put it: "We are not humans here on earth having a spiritual experience; we are spirits having a human experience". Destiny is inescapable, but it is not ours; all the actions of the body are pre-planned before birth, by the Self, which is free-will itself. Being the Self, we are untouched by any such destiny or karma. The immortal Reality simply walks away unscathed from the accidents of its vehicle. The old joke "my karma just ran over your dogma" expresses this. The One Dreamer is instantly liberated from all his nightmares simply by awakening and realising his identity, and nothing else whatever. However hard he toils to unravel and soften the distress they cause him, he will achieve nothing whatever till then. Nasrudin --- revathi ravisankar <revathiravisankar wrote: > Dear Sir, > > Karma can be softenned not avoided. This is possible > as follows and also avoid future karma > > HOW TO AVOID CREATING KARMA > > > > When an action is performed with a motive it binds > man by creating fresh Karma. But not when the same > action is performed without attachment. This is the > right way of engaging in action taught in the Gita. > But, one will certainly ask whether it is possible > to act like this. In worldly life as it is the norm > to be result oriented in every endeavour the Gita > teaching may appear an impractical ideal to pursue. > But, it is not so. It is only when there is > attachment to the result of one's action that there > will be anxiety about it and therefore one will not > be able to engage in it with total involvement. By > dedicating all actions to God the mind becomes free > to give full attention to whatever one is engaged in > and also develop the right frame of mind to accept > whatever be the outcome as God's grace. > Hope this enlightens you in your spiritual path > > Ravi Sankar > Lusaka, Zambia > > Shiva Bhakta <shivabhakta wrote: > This question has bothered me for quite some time. > Please read this and provide your enlightened > perspectives...please > > Our human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic > forces that we bring to our current life from > previous lives. > The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to > play out in our current life - after all it is all a > path, a journey - that we need to pass through. > > Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are > born with - enforce their will on our lives - > seemingly dictated by these very karmic forces. > For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our > journey, it seems clear that we shouldn't mess with > these karmic forces, but bear > the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and > the bad. That is the key for our progress > > But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we > are unable to bear the 'pains' - through mantras, > stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it > postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? > Does this still play out in some other form in our > current life? > > Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the > bad? > > I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be > left to play out and that will help lead to > spiritual growth. > > Please do share your experiences in this... > > Shiva Bhakta > http://www.jyotirlinga.com > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: > RamanaMaharshi- > Un: > RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > Links > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://personals..au - Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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