Reply: Karma - play and progress

January 4, 2004

Quote from Self Realisation by B V Narasimha Swami

When Gananpathi Sastri asked Maharshi " Is the seeking of the source of the 'I'

thought, sufficient for the accomplishment of all my aims, or is mantra dhyana

needed?"

Maharshi answered, " The former is sufice"; and when asked about the aim, added:

" You had better throw the entire burden on the Lord ( Isvara).He will carry all

and you will be freed from the burden. He will do his Duty."

We are not here qualified to answer for GOD, but Gods duty is to shower grace as

he see's fit and his mercy for our soul does depend our intensity of faith.If

this intense faith may not be achieved for what ever reason it is termed as

karma.

Therefore, by dedicating all actions to God, the mind becomes free to give full

attention to whatever one is engaged in and also develop the right frame of

mind to accept whatever be the outcome as God's grace.Whether, we find our self

or not really depends on our mission for god in this life.

So as Maharishi says lets just " You had better throw the entire burden on the

Lord ( Isvara).He will carry all and you will be freed from the burden. He will

do his Duty."

Ravi Sankar

SAMADHI Samadhi <samaadhi (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ravi,

The only way to extinguish all karma forever is to awaken to the true Self,

your primordial timeless presence. The most direct path to That is Self

Inquiry. There can be no real detachment from anything until the Self is

Realized. All effort should be toward Self Inquiry, nothing else. Karma is

temporal and therefore is not real. It appears real for those who believe in

it. That is why those who have Realized Reality are not affected by karma. True

Knowledge, Knowledge of Self, extinguishes karma once and for all.

Samadhi Mayi Ma

www.angelfire.com/hi/samaadhi

>revathi ravisankar

>RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi,

Shiva Bhakta , LordShivaDevotees, Ammachi,

Lord_Shiva, >Reply:

[RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress >Sat, 3 Jan 2004 05:54:11

+0000 (GMT) > >Dear Sir, > >Karma can be softenned not avoided. This is

possible as follows and also avoid future karma > >HOW TO AVOID CREATING KARMA

> > > >When an action is performed with a motive it binds man by creating fresh

Karma. But not when the same action is performed without attachment. This is the

right way of engaging in action taught in the Gita. But, one will certainly ask

whether it is possible to act like this. In worldly life as it is the norm to

be result oriented in every endeavour the Gita teaching may appear an

impractical ideal to pursue. But, it is not so. It is only when there is

attachment to the result of one's action that there will be anxiety about it

and therefore one will not be able to engage in it with total involvement. By

dedicating all actions to God the mind becomes free to give full attention to

whatever one is engaged in and also develop the right frame of mind to accept

whatever be the outcome as God's grace. >Hope this enlightens you in your

spiritual path > >Ravi Sankar >Lusaka, Zambia > >Shiva Bhakta wrote: >This

question has bothered me for quite some time. Please read this and provide

your enlightened perspectives...please > >Our human body is inhibited and

hindered by karmic forces that we bring to our current life from previous

lives. >The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives before have to play out in our

current life - after all it is all a path, a journey - that we need to pass

through. > >Thus, the destiny - astrological stars - that we are born with -

enforce their will on our lives - seemingly dictated by these very karmic

forces. >For spiritual growth - for us to progress in our journey, it seems

clear that we shouldn't mess with these karmic forces, but bear >the

consequences - accept unequivocally the good and the bad. That is the key for

our progress > >But, in case we attemtp to fix the bad because we are unable to

bear the 'pains' - through mantras, stones, rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does

it postpone the karmic play, to maybe our next life? Does this still play out

in some other form in our current life? > >Are we hindering our progress by

trying to fix the bad? > >I do feel quite strongly that our karma should be

left to play out and that will help lead to spiritual growth. > >Please do

share your experiences in this... > >Shiva Bhakta >http://www.jyotirlinga.com >

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January 4, 2004

Dear Ravi,

As was said before, Realize your own true nature and then you will not be

subject to karma any more. Karma is only for those who are not Awakened to

Reality. You said "If this intense faith may not be achieved for whatever

reason it is termed as karma." That does not help anyone to transcend or

extinguish karma. What will really help you to kill karma is to Awaken once and

for all from this waking dream. Self Inquiry is the direct path.

Jai Bhagavan

Samadhi Mayi Ma

..

>revathi ravisankar

>RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi

>Reply: [RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress >Sun, 4 Jan

2004 11:01:37 +0000 (GMT) > >Dear Sir, > >Quote from Self Realisation by B V

Narasimha Swami > >When Gananpathi Sastri asked Maharshi " Is the seeking of

the source of the 'I' thought, sufficient for the accomplishment of all my

aims, or is mantra dhyana needed?" > >Maharshi answered, " The former is

sufice"; and when asked about the aim, added: " You had better throw the entire

burden on the Lord ( Isvara).He will carry all and you will be freed from the

burden. He will do his Duty." > >We are not here qualified to answer for GOD,

but Gods duty is to shower grace as he see's fit and his mercy for our soul

does depend our intensity of faith.If this intense faith may not be achieved

for what ever reason it is termed as karma. > >Therefore, by dedicating all

actions to God, the mind becomes free to give full attention to whatever one is

engaged in and also develop the right frame of mind to accept whatever be the

outcome as God's grace.Whether, we find our self or not really depends on our

mission for god in this life. > >So as Maharishi says lets just " You had

better throw the entire burden on the Lord ( Isvara).He will carry all and you

will be freed from the burden. He will do his Duty." > >Ravi Sankar > >

>SAMADHI Samadhi wrote: > >Dear Ravi, > > The only way to extinguish all

karma forever is to awaken to the true Self, your primordial timeless

presence. The most direct path to That is Self Inquiry. There can be no real

detachment from anything until the Self is Realized. All effort should be

toward Self Inquiry, nothing else. Karma is temporal and therefore is not real.

It appears real for those who believe in it. That is why those who have Realized

Reality are not affected by karma. True Knowledge, Knowledge of Self,

extinguishes karma once and for all. > > Samadhi Mayi

Ma > > www.angelfire.com/hi/samaadhi > > > > > >revathi

ravisankar > >RamanaMaharshi > >To:

RamanaMaharshi, Shiva Bhakta ,

LordShivaDevotees, Ammachi,

Lord_Shiva, > >Reply:

[RamanaMaharshi] Karma - play and progress > >Sat, 3 Jan 2004 05:54:11

+0000 (GMT) > > > >Dear Sir, > > > >Karma can be softenned not avoided. This is

possible as follows and also avoid future karma > > > >HOW TO AVOID CREATING

KARMA > > > > > > > >When an action is performed with a motive it binds man by

creating fresh Karma. But not when the same action is performed without

attachment. This is the right way of engaging in action taught in the Gita.

But, one will certainly ask whether it is possible to act like this. In worldly

life as it is the norm to be result oriented in every endeavour the Gita

teaching may appear an impractical ideal to pursue. But, it is not so. It is

only when there is attachment to the result of one's action that there will be

anxiety about it and therefore one will not be able to engage in it with total

involvement. By dedicating all actions to God the mind becomes free to give

full attention to whatever one is engaged in and also develop the right frame

of mind to accept whatever be the outcome as God's grace. > >Hope this

enlightens you in your spiritual path > > > >Ravi Sankar > >Lusaka, Zambia > >

> >Shiva Bhakta wrote: > >This question has bothered me for quite some time.

Please read this and provide your enlightened perspectives...please > > > >Our

human body is inhibited and hindered by karmic forces that we bring to our

current life from previous lives. > >The good, bad, ugly deeds from lives

before have to play out in our current life - after all it is all a path, a

journey - that we need to pass through. > > > >Thus, the destiny - astrological

stars - that we are born with - enforce their will on our lives - seemingly

dictated by these very karmic forces. > >For spiritual growth - for us to

progress in our journey, it seems clear that we shouldn't mess with these

karmic forces, but bear > >the consequences - accept unequivocally the good and

the bad. That is the key for our progress > > > >But, in case we attemtp to fix

the bad because we are unable to bear the 'pains' - through mantras, stones,

rudrakshas, poojas etc etc. - does it postpone the karmic play, to maybe our

next life? Does this still play out in some other form in our current life? >

> > >Are we hindering our progress by trying to fix the bad? > > > >I do feel

quite strongly that our karma should be left to play out and that will help

lead to spiritual growth. > > > >Please do share your experiences in this... >

> > >Shiva Bhakta > >http://www.jyotirlinga.com > > > > > > > > > > >

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January 5, 2004

Dear Sir,

You are right in what you say and we have to learn to maintain our ourselves

long enough and consistently to realise our true nature.However, only when you

are able to experience it that you believe that The Lord ( Isvara) is present

in your every move.Only when the Lord invites you as Maharishi had been that

the true self can be achieved.This is what Ramana explained to Ganapathi

Munni.Without Lords grace you can be blinded in the crucial moment.

How to avoid this blind fold is what everyone wants.This can happen by

dedicating all actions to God, the mind becomes free to give full attention to

whatever one is engaged in and also develop the right frame of mind to accept

whatever be the outcome as God's grace.

I think you just need to experience.Words cannot express this.There is no word only silence.

One hint is that Karma has link to law of nature.We are all affected by law of

nature.This is because nature always makes a selection.Science has confirmed

this.Even Maharishi was affected only He did not talk about it as he wanted all

of us to be focussed but the karma is there for all of us whether we like it or

not.To be born is karma and also to die is karma.What Lord Isvara can do is

grant us boons.In mythology lots of great people were granted boon as

grace.That is to reduce or soften our Karma.

The other point I would like to make is that please study and analyse Ganapathy

Munni's spiritual quest it will tell us how ordinary mortals need to perspire

to reach the goal. Do not forget, if Maharishi was an aspect of Lord Muruga,

Ganapathi Munni was an aspect of Lord Vinayagar.Brothers had their quest

realised in different ways.

I pray that more analysis is done on Ganapathy Munni spiritual quest which is

basically directed by what he learned from Maharishi.Analogy is the best way to

understand Maharishi better.

Ravi SankarSAMADHI Samadhi <samaadhi (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: