Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 ---Dear Michael,thank you for your letter which I feel is an important contribution to this vital discussion .Each one of us is guided by the Self or Sat-Guru in the Heart towards the next step and it is different for each sadhak -unique for his condition .Every best wish and warm regards,in his Grace,Alan Mahlman <eclectic_mike wrote: > Dear group, I would like to jump in and and add a little bit about Ramana's teachings. > and the debate over self-inquiry vs awareness watching awareness. The trick is to understand why > the Who am I, self inquiry process works at all. > > Ramana taught that it is the vasanas ( mind tendancies that keep one from being fully > self-realized and that one could experience samadhi (in ancient times, someties even for decades > or more) and still not be liberated without destroying the vasanas. > > Ramana also held that it is the connection between the mind the outward senses that keeps the > ego upheld. So the whole essence of holding on to the I feeling or thought is to do so to the > point where the connection between the false I and the outer senses ceases. Then the false I > itself, remains by itself, and then gets disolved into the self. (Ramana taught again and again > that the mind is also Self, only misdirected.) > > So the whole point is to hold exclusivively to the I feeling, breaking the ego/sense connection > and leaving one only with the I feeling, which then disvolves. That is how the vasanas are > destroyed. > > Now the the awareness watching awareness method probably certainly works too from reading the > words of Nisragatta, but I would question how quickly the vasanas are destroyed via that method > ( too Nisragatta 3 years). With the holding on to the I feeling method, the connection between > ego and the senses is certainly destroyed. As to the awareness watching method, I would strike > me that with the awareness watching awareness, that it is a more gentle and less concentrated > method, which may leave a lot of room for ego/sense connections, hence not destorying the > vasanas, or not doing so as intensely. > > Read carefully Ramana's words on samadhi, and how without destorying the vasanas one will not be > liberated, then decide which method you wish to persue. > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > Dear Michael , I quite agree that Atma Vichara is difficult for those with restless minds -but I > have discovered that diving into the heart {Eki Sloka]with breath restraint, holds the mind > silent > while probing for the Source of the I thought .Regards and best wishes , In Him , as ever , Alan > > > ______________________ > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html > > > > Links > > > atma_vichara/ > > > atma_vichara > > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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