Devotional Self-abidance: Bhagavad Gita Chapter 18 verse 65

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Namaste Friends,

 

>From The Garland of Guru's Sayings:

 

731 It is said that meditation

On one's own being is supreme

Devotion to all-transcending God,

Because, though spoken of as two,

They are in substance one.

 

And ,

 

Meditation on the Self

Is devotion to the Lord

Supreme, since He abides as this

Our very Self.

--Sri Bhagavan 13

 

I would like to share with you a rather different interpretation of

what are normally considered Krishna bhakti verses in the Bhagavad

Gita. These excerpts come from Paramahansa Yogananda's translation

and commentary. The text is over 1100 pages and is written from a

yogi's perspective. However, the verse commentary below is of

interest to practitioners of Atma Vichara and devotional Self-

abidance.

 

================begin excerpt===============

9:34 On Me fix thy mind, be thou My devotee, with ceaseless worship

bow reverently before Me. Having thus united thyself to Me an thy

Highest Goal, thou shart be Mine own.

 

18:64 Again listen to My supreme word, the most secret of all.

Because thou are dearly loved by Me, I will relate what is

beneficial to thee.

 

18:65 Absorb thy mind in Me; become My devotee; resign all things to

Me; bow down to Me. Thou are dear to Me, so in truth do I promise

thee: Thou shalt attain Me!

 

Commentary on 18:65. A critical mind might wonder why God, promising

the gift of Himself, is asking the already devoted Arjuna to become

absorbed in Him, devoted to Him and to perform ceremonial sacrifices

to Him. And to bow down to Him.

 

Further, since this counsel was prefaced in the preceding

verse with: "Again listen to My supreme word, the most secret of

all," the obvious question is, what is so profoundly

secret? "Secret" means hidden, an experience of realization

transcending the activities and ordinary observations of the mind

and senses. Thus, this verse must be read as more than a simple

formula for the single-minded bhakta. It is stating "again" the

ultimate realization requisite to liberation.

 

…To know God as that Spirit which is the origin and end of all

beings is indeed the ultimate knowledge. But knowledge of God as

the All-in-All is possible only when the devotee realizes first the

great "Myself"—that Spirit present within himself, as well as

omnipresent in the universe. Ordinarily, when the devotee speaks

of "myself," he has in mind his ego, but when by meditation he

succeeds in uniting his ego consciousness with the intuitive

consciousness of his soul, he knows what is the true "Myself." This

is why the Lord as Krishna is now urging Arjuna to lift his mind

from the plane to the senses and be absorbed in the inner "Myself"

or God, whose reflected presence in the devotee is his true Self.

 

…Manmana bhava, "absorb thy mind in Me," signifies abosorption

in the true "Myself" in ecstasy. Madbhakta bhava, "become My

devotee," signifies perception and remembrance of the

blessed "Myself" during that state of human activity in which the

devotee's actions are not performend under the influence of the

physical ego. Madyaji bhava, "resign all things to Me," signifies

dissolving mind and life force and desires in the fire of true

perception of the inner "Myself." Mam namaskuru. "bow down to Me,"

has a very deep meaning. The act of bowing consists in placing the

hands, palms pressed together, over the heart, then touching the

fingertips to the forehead to express devotion to a person or to

God. Hands symbolize activity, the heart symbolizes love, and the

head symbolizes wisdom. So a person bowing to man or God symbolizes

by this act of obeisance: "My activity, my love, and my mind are at

Your service."

 

…[T]he Lord asks Arjuna to dissolve his heart's love, his

impulse to physical activity, and his discriminating thoughts in the

inner "Myself" by repeatedly concentrating his attention therein,

even though the mind whats to run away and to be engrossed in

physical or emotional activities on the plane of the senses. The

Lord further intimates to Arjuna: "You have endeared yourself to Me.

I truly promise you that if you become absorbed in your

inner "Myself," you will know it is none other that the great Myself

pervading everywhere.

================end excerpt====================

 

>From this commentary we can reinterpret 18:65 as:

 

Absorb thy mind in "Me";

Become a devotee of "Me";

Resign all things to "Me";

Bow down to "Me".

Thou are dear to Me, so in truth do I promise thee:

Thou shalt attain "Me"!

 

Or, if we equate "Me" with "I AM", the verse could be interpreted as

 

Absorb thy mind in the "I AM";

Become a devotee of the "I AM";

Resign all things to the "I AM";

Bow down to the "I AM".

Thou are dear to Me, so in truth do I promise thee:

Thou shalt attain "I AM"!

 

Armed with this understanding, various bhakti verses of the Bhagavad

Gita can be seen as clear instruction in devotional Self-abidance.

For example, these verses from the chapter on Bhakti Yoga (PY's

translation again):

 

=================

12:2 Those who, fixing their minds on Me, adore Me, ever united to

Me with supreme devotion, are in My eyes the perfect knowers of yoga.

 

12:8 Immerse thy mind in Me alone; concentrate on Me thy

discriminative perception; and beyond doubt thou shalt dwell

immortally in Me.

 

12:9. O Dhananjaya (Arjuna), if thou are not able to keep thy mind

whole on Me, then seek to attain Me by repeated yoga practice.

==================

 

Where yoga practice is now seen to mean repeated effort at Self-

abidance.

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

 

David

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--- dmcewen_1 <David.McEwen wrote:

> Namaste Friends,

>

> From The Garland of Guru's Sayings:

>

> 731 It is said that meditation

> On one's own being is supreme

> Devotion to all-transcending God,

> Because, though spoken of as two,

> They are in substance one.

>

> And ,

>

> Meditation on the Self

> Is devotion to the Lord

> Supreme, since He abides as this

> Our very Self.

> --Sri Bhagavan 13

>

> I would like to share with you a rather different

> interpretation of

> what are normally considered Krishna bhakti verses

> in the Bhagavad

> Gita.

 

SNIP

 

>

> From this commentary we can reinterpret 18:65 as:

>

> Absorb thy mind in "Me";

> Become a devotee of "Me";

> Resign all things to "Me";

> Bow down to "Me".

> Thou are dear to Me, so in truth do I promise

> thee:

> Thou shalt attain "Me"!

>

> Or, if we equate "Me" with "I AM", the verse could

> be interpreted as

>

> Absorb thy mind in the "I AM";

> Become a devotee of the "I AM";

> Resign all things to the "I AM";

> Bow down to the "I AM".

> Thou are dear to Me, so in truth do I promise

> thee:

> Thou shalt attain "I AM"!

>

> Armed with this understanding, various bhakti verses

> of the Bhagavad

> Gita can be seen as clear instruction in devotional

> Self-abidance.

> For example, these verses from the chapter on Bhakti

> Yoga (PY's

> translation again):

>

> =================

> 12:2 Those who, fixing their minds on Me, adore Me,

> ever united to

> Me with supreme devotion, are in My eyes the perfect

> knowers of yoga.

>

> 12:8 Immerse thy mind in Me alone; concentrate on Me

> thy

> discriminative perception; and beyond doubt thou

> shalt dwell

> immortally in Me.

>

> 12:9. O Dhananjaya (Arjuna), if thou are not able to

> keep thy mind

> whole on Me, then seek to attain Me by repeated yoga

> practice.

> ==================

>

> Where yoga practice is now seen to mean repeated

> effort at Self-

> abidance.

>

 

SNIP

 

Dear David and ALL,

 

To either further clarify or to expand the confusion I

offer the following verses from the Bhagavad Gita that

expound upon who "I" am. The translation is by Swami

Nikhilananda.

 

7:6. ...I am the origin of the entire universe and

also its dissolution.

 

7:7. There exists nothing whatever higher than I am,

O Dhananjaya. All is strung on Me as a row of gems on

a thread.

 

7:8. I am the savour of waters, O son of Kunti, the

radiance of the sun and moon; I am the syllable Om in

all the Vedas, the sound in ether, the manliness in

man.

 

7:9. I am the sweet fragrance in earth and the

brightness in fire. In all beings I am the life, and

I am the austerity in ascetics.

 

7:10. Know Me, O son of Pritha, to be the Eternal

Seed of all things that exist; I am the intelligence

of the intelligent and the daring of the brave.

 

7:11. I am the strength of the strong, free from

longing and attachment. I am, O lord of the Bharatas,

the desire in all beings that is not contrary to

dharma.

 

7:12. And whatever things there be---of the nature of

sattva, rajas, and tamas--know they are all from Me

alone...

 

Love,

 

michael

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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---Dear Michael and David ,Nisargadatta suggested when reading the Gita one

should assume the

place of Krishna and not Arjuna,this is more Advaitic..This makes Michael's

extract more

meaningfull and powerfull when one substitutes I for My Self when Krishna

speaks and David's too

when Me is My Self..Love,in His Grace ,Alan

 

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Bowes <rmichaelbowes wrote: >

> --- dmcewen_1 <David.McEwen wrote:

> > Namaste Friends,

> >

> > From The Garland of Guru's Sayings:

> >

> > 731 It is said that meditation

> > On one's own being is supreme

> > Devotion to all-transcending God,

> > Because, though spoken of as two,

> > They are in substance one.

> >

> > And ,

> >

> > Meditation on the Self

> > Is devotion to the Lord

> > Supreme, since He abides as this

> > Our very Self.

> > --Sri Bhagavan 13

> >

> > I would like to share with you a rather different

> > interpretation of

> > what are normally considered Krishna bhakti verses

> > in the Bhagavad

> > Gita.

>

> SNIP

>

> >

> > From this commentary we can reinterpret 18:65 as:

> >

> > Absorb thy mind in "Me"; [The Self

> > Become a devotee of "Me";

> > Resign all things to "Me";

> > Bow down to "Me".

> > Thou are dear to Me, so in truth do I promise

> > thee:

> > Thou shalt attain "Me"!

> >

> > Or, if we equate "Me" with "I AM", the verse could

> > be interpreted as

> >

> > Absorb thy mind in the "I AM"; [The Self

> > Become a devotee of the "I AM";

> > Resign all things to the "I AM";

> > Bow down to the "I AM".

> > Thou are dear to Me, so in truth do I promise

> > thee:

> > Thou shalt attain "I AM"!

> >

> > Armed with this understanding, various bhakti verses

> > of the Bhagavad

> > Gita can be seen as clear instruction in devotional

> > Self-abidance.

> > For example, these verses from the chapter on Bhakti

> > Yoga (PY's

> > translation again):

> >

> > =================

> > 12:2 Those who, fixing their minds on Me, adore Me, [The Self

> > ever united to

> > Me with supreme devotion, are in My eyes the perfect

> > knowers of yoga.

> >

> > 12:8 Immerse thy mind in Me alone; concentrate on Me

> > thy

> > discriminative perception; and beyond doubt thou

> > shalt dwell

> > immortally in Me.

> >

> > 12:9. O Dhananjaya (Arjuna), if thou are not able to

> > keep thy mind

> > whole on Me, then seek to attain Me by repeated yoga

> > practice.

> > ==================

> >

> > Where yoga practice is now seen to mean repeated

> > effort at Self-

> > abidance.

> >

>

> SNIP

>

> Dear David and ALL,

>

> To either further clarify or to expand the confusion I

> offer the following verses from the Bhagavad Gita that

> expound upon who "I" am. The translation is by Swami

> Nikhilananda.

>

> 7:6. ...I am the origin of the entire universe and {The Self

> also its dissolution.

>

> 7:7. There exists nothing whatever higher than I am,

> O Dhananjaya. All is strung on Me as a row of gems on

> a thread.

>

> 7:8. I am the savour of waters, O son of Kunti, the

> radiance of the sun and moon; I am the syllable Om in

> all the Vedas, the sound in ether, the manliness in

> man.

>

> 7:9. I am the sweet fragrance in earth and the

> brightness in fire. In all beings I am the life, and

> I am the austerity in ascetics.

>

> 7:10. Know Me, O son of Pritha, to be the Eternal

> Seed of all things that exist; I am the intelligence

> of the intelligent and the daring of the brave.

>

> 7:11. I am the strength of the strong, free from

> longing and attachment. I am, O lord of the Bharatas,

> the desire in all beings that is not contrary to

> dharma.

>

> 7:12. And whatever things there be---of the nature of

> sattva, rajas, and tamas--know they are all from Me

> alone...

>

> Love,

>

> michael

 

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>To either further clarify or to expand the confusion...

 

Michael, I got a good chuckle out of this comment, given recent emails in

another thread. :-)

 

>...I offer the following verses from the Bhagavad Gita that expound upon

who "I" am.

> The translation is by Swami Nikhilananda.

 

Those were excellent verses. I don't think they expanded the confusion. ;-)

 

In Bhagavan,

 

David

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Dear David,

 

I'm glad that you got a chuckle out of it. Really and

truly, I don't think that there is anything better

than a good laugh. :-) The only thing that I really

take seriously :-( in life is humor. :-)

 

michael

 

--- David McEwen <David.McEwen wrote:

> >To either further clarify or to expand the

> confusion...

>

> Michael, I got a good chuckle out of this comment,

> given recent emails in

> another thread. :-)

>

> >...I offer the following verses from the Bhagavad

> Gita that expound upon

> who "I" am.

> > The translation is by Swami Nikhilananda.

>

> Those were excellent verses. I don't think they

> expanded the confusion. ;-)

>

> In Bhagavan,

>

> David

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Papaji used to say when you are laughing there is 'no mind' .Here is a chuckler

 

> *******************************

>

> AN ATHEIST SAW THE LIGHT

>

> An atheist was taking a walk through the woods.

> What majestic trees!

> What powerful rivers!

> What beautiful animals! He said to himself.

>

> As he was walking alongside the river he heard a

> rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look.

> He saw a 7 foot (2.14m) grizzly charge towards him.

>

> He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over

> his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing in on

> him.

>

> He looked over his shoulder again, and the bear was

> even closer.

>

> He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to

> pick himself up but saw the bear right on top of him,

> reaching for him with his left paw and raising his

> right paw to strike him.

>

> At that instant the Atheist cried out: "Oh my God!..."

>

> Time stopped.

>

> The bear froze.

> The forest was silent.

> As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out

> of the sky:

> "You deny my existence for all of these years, teach

> others I don't exist, and even credit creation to a

> cosmic accident.

>

> "Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament?

> Am I to count you as a believer?"

>

> The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would

> be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me

> as a Christian now, but perhaps could you make the

> BEAR a Christian?"

>

> "Very well," said the voice.

> The light went out.

> The sounds of the forest resumed.

> And then the bear dropped his right paw, brought both

> paws together and bowed his head and spoke:

> "Lord, bless this food, which I am about to receive

> from thy bounty through Christ our Lord Amen."

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Bowes <rmichaelbowes wrote: > Dear David,

>

> I'm glad that you got a chuckle out of it. Really and

> truly, I don't think that there is anything better

> than a good laugh. :-) The only thing that I really

> take seriously :-( in life is humor. :-)

>

> michael

>

> --- David McEwen <David.McEwen wrote:

> > >To either further clarify or to expand the

> > confusion...

> >

> > Michael, I got a good chuckle out of this comment,

> > given recent emails in

> > another thread. :-)

> >

> > >...I offer the following verses from the Bhagavad

> > Gita that expound upon

> > who "I" am.

> > > The translation is by Swami Nikhilananda.

> >

> > Those were excellent verses. I don't think they

> > expanded the confusion. ;-)

> >

> > In Bhagavan,

> >

> > David

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Devotional Self-abidance: Bhagavad Gita

Chapter 18 verse 65

 

 

> ---Dear Michael and David,

>

> Papaji used to say when you are laughing there is 'no mind' .Here is a

chuckler

>

> > *******************************

> >

> > AN ATHEIST SAW THE LIGHT

> >

> > An atheist was taking a walk through the woods.

> > What majestic trees!

> > What powerful rivers!

> > What beautiful animals! He said to himself.

> >

> > As he was walking alongside the river he heard a

> > rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look.

> > He saw a 7 foot (2.14m) grizzly charge towards him.

> >

> > He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over

> > his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing in on

> > him.

> >

> > He looked over his shoulder again, and the bear was

> > even closer.

> >

> > He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to

> > pick himself up but saw the bear right on top of him,

> > reaching for him with his left paw and raising his

> > right paw to strike him.

> >

> > At that instant the Atheist cried out: "Oh my God!..."

> >

> > Time stopped.

> >

> > The bear froze.

> > The forest was silent.

> > As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out

> > of the sky:

> > "You deny my existence for all of these years, teach

> > others I don't exist, and even credit creation to a

> > cosmic accident.

> >

> > "Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament?

> > Am I to count you as a believer?"

> >

> > The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would

> > be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me

> > as a Christian now, but perhaps could you make the

> > BEAR a Christian?"

> >

> > "Very well," said the voice.

> > The light went out.

> > The sounds of the forest resumed.

> > And then the bear dropped his right paw, brought both

> > paws together and bowed his head and spoke:

> > "Lord, bless this food, which I am about to receive

> > from thy bounty through Christ our Lord Amen."

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The New with improved product search

> >

>

> Bowes <rmichaelbowes wrote: > Dear David,

> >

> > I'm glad that you got a chuckle out of it. Really and

> > truly, I don't think that there is anything better

> > than a good laugh. :-) The only thing that I really

> > take seriously :-( in life is humor. :-)

> >

> > michael

> >

> > --- David McEwen <David.McEwen wrote:

> > > >To either further clarify or to expand the

> > > confusion...

> > >

> > > Michael, I got a good chuckle out of this comment,

> > > given recent emails in

> > > another thread. :-)

> > >

> > > >...I offer the following verses from the Bhagavad

> > > Gita that expound upon

> > > who "I" am.

> > > > The translation is by Swami Nikhilananda.

> > >

> > > Those were excellent verses. I don't think they

> > > expanded the confusion. ;-)

> > >

> > > In Bhagavan,

> > >

> > > David

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> Tuesday, January 20, 2004 7:20 PM

> Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Devotional

Self-abidance: Bhagavad Gita

> Chapter 18 verse 65

>

>

> > ---Dear Michael and David,

> >

> > Papaji used to say when you are laughing there is

'no mind' .Here is a

> chuckler

> >

> > > *******************************

> > >

> > > AN ATHEIST SAW THE LIGHT

> > >

> > > An atheist was taking a walk through the woods.

> > > What majestic trees!

> > > What powerful rivers!

> > > What beautiful animals! He said to himself.

> > >

> > > As he was walking alongside the river he heard a

> > > rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to

look.

> > > He saw a 7 foot (2.14m) grizzly charge towards

him.

> > >

> > > He ran as fast as he could up the path. He

looked over

> > > his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing

in on

> > > him.

> > >

> > > He looked over his shoulder again, and the bear

was

> > > even closer.

> > >

> > > He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled

over to

> > > pick himself up but saw the bear right on top of

him,

> > > reaching for him with his left paw and raising

his

> > > right paw to strike him.

> > >

> > > At that instant the Atheist cried out: "Oh my

God!..."

> > >

> > > Time stopped.

> > >

> > > The bear froze.

> > > The forest was silent.

> > > As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice

came out

> > > of the sky:

> > > "You deny my existence for all of these years,

teach

> > > others I don't exist, and even credit creation

to a

> > > cosmic accident.

> > >

> > > "Do you expect me to help you out of this

predicament?

> > > Am I to count you as a believer?"

> > >

> > > The atheist looked directly into the light, "It

would

> > > be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to

treat me

> > > as a Christian now, but perhaps could you make

the

> > > BEAR a Christian?"

> > >

> > > "Very well," said the voice.

> > > The light went out.

> > > The sounds of the forest resumed.

> > > And then the bear dropped his right paw, brought

both

> > > paws together and bowed his head and spoke:

> > > "Lord, bless this food, which I am about to

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> > Bowes <rmichaelbowes wrote: > Dear

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> > > I'm glad that you got a chuckle out of it.

Really and

> > > truly, I don't think that there is anything

better

> > > than a good laugh. :-) The only thing that I

really

> > > take seriously :-( in life is humor. :-)

> > >

> > > michael

> > >

> > > --- David McEwen <David.McEwen

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> > > > >To either further clarify or to expand the

> > > > confusion...

> > > >

> > > > Michael, I got a good chuckle out of this

comment,

> > > > given recent emails in

> > > > another thread. :-)

> > > >

> > > > >...I offer the following verses from the

Bhagavad

> > > > Gita that expound upon

> > > > who "I" am.

> > > > > The translation is by Swami Nikhilananda.

> > > >

> > > > Those were excellent verses. I don't think

they

> > > > expanded the confusion. ;-)

> > > >

> > > > In Bhagavan,

> > > >

> > > > David

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Loved it. It even touches on the diet issue. :-)

 

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