Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 ---Dear Gabriele , On occaisions when there is a great deal of energy for the Dive, or as it is sometimes called A Plunge or a Dip, you get , through Grace to the bottom , there is felt a floor , like at the bottom of a well ,perhaps a better word than abyss.There is nothing there but the floor .The root or source of the I is not descernable.I have been told that this is because at this stage the Dive is being done from the mind -brain in effect, and this will if continued with persistence set up a response whereby the diving will take place spontaneously in the Heart .I have not reached this point yet so i cannot tell you more . All love,in His grace , Alan > thanks much for the very detailed and clear description of diving into the Heart. > It is enjoyed much. > > You say that at the abyss of the Heart nothing is found. This I do not fully understand. > Could you please explain? > > yours in Sri Bhagavan > Gabriele ______________________ BT Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://bt..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 ---Dear Christiane ,thanks for your reply. It is great to read a letter from a fellow Pearl > Fisher .At the bottom of the ocean lies the "Pearl of Great Price".I agree that this practice > gives structure to the Vichara and is vbery powerful .I do not experience the Heart on the left > side myself -more on the Right , but I guess it is going to be experientially different for > every > brave soul who takes the plunge .Experience depends on so many factors,the desire for liberation > , > the play of the Gunas at that time, the position of sheaths, vasanas etc. > > it is great to share this with you . > > More strength to your Diving , in His grace , Alan > > > > > > > Its so beautiful to read about your journey into the Heart Cave. > > > > "The Techinque of Maha Yoga" has been a book of great help in my > > sadhana, too. > > > > Diving into the hear gives structure to the vichara, making it more > > accessible by allowing you to focus on an almost physical place. And > > the Heart is strongly felt, too. Do you also find Alan, that when you > > focus attention there, the Heart is clearly sensed on the left side of > > the chest? It feels like a concentration of powerful, pleasant warm > > energy - and it draws you in and there is no bottom, no end. > > > > Om Shanti > > > > Chris > > > > On Jan 28, 2004, at 08:50, Alan Jacobs wrote: > > > > > Dear Jim and Gabriel , > > > > > > Since you both have requested me to relate more about my experience of > > > Diving into the Heart here > > > goes. > > > > > > In the Ramana Gita Ch.2 V2 the following sloka appears > > > > > > In the innermost core, > > > The Heart shines as Brahman alone > > > As 'I-I',the Self Aware. > > > Enter deep into the heart > > > By search for self,or diving deep > > > Or with breath under check. > > > Thus abide ever in Atman > > > > > > Ganapati Muni who edited the Ramana Gita attached great importance to > > > this verse expecially as it > > > appears again in the 40 verses , the Supplement and in different > > > wording in the 30 verses.So it > > > is obvious that Bhagavan was giving this as one approach to Self > > > Enquiry .There are many > > > references to 'Diving' in Talks also . > > > In addition when the new hall was built this sloka was engraved in > > > gold on black basalt and > > > mounted above Ramana's marble couch .So it is clear that it is a clue > > > to aspirants in their > > > practice . > > > > > > Now as others have pointed out Self Enquiry may be approached > > > 1]through a Questioning method ,to > > > whom does this thought occur etc. > > > > > > 2]By holding onto the I thought ,I feeling or I current ,various > > > terms are used > > > > > > 3]By the awareness of awareness method as progressed by Sadhu Om and > > > others.See Michael L's Site > > > > > > In the early days of my Sadhana I tried these three methods and with a > > > fairly restless mind I > > > found that there was not enough force to pursue the enquiry as others > > > have described in their > > > various reminiscences,nor could i continue it for very long. > > > > > > But when I read Ramana,s Essay 'Self Enquiry' in Collected Works I > > > found that restraint of breath > > > is advocated as an aid for mind contol . > > > Then the Eki Sloka seemed so obvious for me .What could be more direct > > > ?This was not elusive but a > > > clear practice emphasised and described in the Sat Darshana Bhashya > > > and other Commentaries . > > > > > > There was also a book published by the Ashram called The technique of > > > Maha Yoga where the writer > > > describes the importance of the practice .To him the force of the > > > Prajna in the breath enters the > > > heart on the outgoing breath. > > > > > > As some one who had done Hatha Yoga and some Pranayama this approach > > > appealed to me ,for > > > experimentation > > > > > > Restraint of breath is only an option ,but with a chattering mind the > > > restraint stops the chatter > > > immediately .Sone people dive without restraint because there mind > > > goes quiet when they enter . > > > > > > So taking a deep breath and then holding it , I take focused attention > > > from the chakra between the > > > eyes and like a laser beam let it penetrate through the door way into > > > the Heart Centre through > > > the right side of the chest . > > > Then I release the breath when it can no longer be held .I am able to > > > repeat this three times at a > > > sitting usually, and possibly 4 or 5 sittings during the day . > > > > > > What I found is that I had to have kept in mind that I was searching > > > for the source of the I > > > thought with untroubled mind. > > > > > > The quality variies a great deal depending on the play of the Gunas > > > .Sometimes one cannot > > > penetrate very deeply because one strikes the wall of a sheath or a > > > vasana ,but often one breaks > > > through .On the expelling of the breath with a bastika these blocks > > > clear .Thought and breath are > > > interrelated. > > > > > > There is no doubt that repeated practice weakens the vasanas,brings > > > them out and brings about a > > > more satvic mind .It also carves a niche in the right side of the > > > chest , where one can abide at > > > any time .It clears identification with any emotional or mental statse > > > . > > > > > > When occaisionally one reaches the bottom of the abyss ,one finds > > > there is nothing there .This > > > bothered me until in Tiru I discussed this practice with senior > > > Devotees whom I trusted .I learned > > > that this is normal .There is no answer coming .The practice is the > > > process .As it is done with > > > the mind ,nothing is found .But with perseverance I am told , the > > > Enquiry moves into the Heart > > > and is carried on spontaneously without breath restraint and then one > > > approaches the Source of > > > the ego when it will topple . > > > > > > So I persevere ,and find it very beneficial .I realise this is not,by > > > any means, for everyone and > > > each finds the approach to Self Enquiry that is easiest for him or > > > her and suits their own > > > understanfing . > > > > > > i could go on , but this is the gist of my experiemce .I would be > > > happy to answer specific > > > questions . > > > > > > With warmest regards , to you both , yours in His Grace , Alan > > > > > > _____________________ > > > _ > > > BT Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save > > > £80http://bt..co.uk > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > • > > > atma_vichara/ > > > > > > • > > > atma_vichara > > > > > > • Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. > > Kovalam/Kerala > > contact: christianecameron > > > > ______________________ > BT Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 > http://bt..co.uk > > > > Links > > > atma_vichara/ > > > atma_vichara > > Your > > > ______________________ BT Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://bt..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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