Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Dear Gabriele: RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Jim, > > as a moderator of this list I say it openly to you: Who is saying it openly? Who are you? it is enough now! > People have shared what is there to share - here and on the other lists - and that's wonderful. > Indeed I would like to go much more in sharing about practice as sadhakas to one another. > There is something to learn here. > But this all seems not to satisfy you in any way and I wonder what you really want to know. Who wonders? > If you are seeking experiences of self-realized teachers - there are more than enough found meanwhile and you > can ask them all. So what's the problem? Who is asking about the problem? Who are you? Are you Gabriele, a person/individual/entity? Is this your identity? Quote: [Ramesh S. Balsekar: The question – Who is Gary? The answer – There is no Gary! Gary, the ego, doesn't exist. If Gary doesn't exist then what exists? Only the Source. Source is all there is.] Ask yourself who am I? Who is doing, thinking, feeling, reacting, complaining, questioning, etc.? as often as you can and a time may come when you suddenly know that you are not a person/body/mind/ego and never was, and that the person, etc. that you took yourself for does not now or ever did exist - except as an image/concept in your own mind. When you stop believing in the personal object you have believed yourself to be since very early childhood, it will vanish and that which you are will remain. Things will be much better for you after that blessed remembrance. good luck, jim > > Gabriele > > > - > jim37rich > RamanaMaharshi > Friday, January 30, 2004 8:11 PM > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: The experience of the Self - Ben > > > Ben, > > Again I'll ask: What is your experience? There is more than enough > PREACHING ans CRITICIZING at this list so, please show some respect > to others! > > jim > > RamanaMaharshi, "Ben Hassine" <ben.hassine@x> > wrote: > > Dear Jim, > > > > So if you know this, why come and argue here? > > You are not interested in what people here kindly point out. You go > around > > in all these lists merely to argue. > > > > Also I don't like the way you approach Alan. Some more respect > would be in > > place. > > > > Yours, > > > > Ben. > > > > > > > > > > - > > "jim37rich" <jim37rich> > > <RamanaMaharshi> > > Friday, January 30, 2004 8:02 AM > > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: The experience of the Self > > > > > > > Hi Ben: > > > > > > Mind is not the obstacle at all. Wrong identity is the obstacle - > > > you think/believe/assume/"know" that you are a > separate/individual/ > > > person/ego/object/thing, when all the while you are the > > > Self/Totality/Consciousness/God (or whatever else you are called). > > > Mind only adds to your mistaken identity as an object (person) > that > > > you have projected and think that you are.....LOL. > > > > > > re: "I knew that I was the Self and that when I uttered the > word 'I', > > > this 'I' meant only the Self. Everything is the Self and nothing > is > > > apart from it; this is my experience." > > > ....so, what's your experience, Ben? > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > jim > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Ben Hassine" > <ben.hassine@x> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Jim, > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way: I can see clearly the truth of the words > > > spoken by > > > > this lady. > > > > The state she is describing is the same for all. It is the Self > > > speaking. > > > > Mind is the obstacle. It keeps telling you to ask questions and > run > > > around > > > > doing this and searching that. > > > > Truth is simple. Truth is joy and freedom beyond description. > It is > > > the > > > > natural state. > > > > You have to find yourself beyond the mind. That is all. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Original Message ----- > > > > "jim37rich" <jim37rich> > > > > <RamanaMaharshi> > > > > Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:33 PM > > > > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: The experience of the Self > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben: > > > > > I deeply appreciate the personal testimony of a realized > person, > > > > > Mathru, and would like to read of other's awakening > experiences if > > > > > they wish to offer them. I'd imagine a genuinely realized > person > > > > > would not bother to come to a forum and speak openly but I > wish > > > they > > > > > would. > > > > > > > > > > What's your own experience Ben?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Ben Hassine" > > > <ben.hassine@x> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Typed from No Mind - I am the Self, chapter 19, The > Experience > > > of > > > > > the Self, page 188 > > > > > > > > > > > > Saradamma [Mathru Sri Sarada] frequently stresses that the > Self > > > > > cannot be described in words, but on many occasions she tries > to > > > > > describe the indescribable. The first account in this chapter > was > > > > > written by Saradamma herself in Telugu only ten days after her > > > > > realisation. It is a glowing account of the jnani's > experience of > > > the > > > > > Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saradamma: When I opened my eyes after realisation there was > > > only > > > > > peace inside and out. I knew that I was the Self and that > when I > > > > > uttered the word 'I', this 'I' meant only the Self. > > > > > > Even though I may see, I am not seeing; even though I may > hear, > > > I > > > > > am not hearing; even though I may talk, I am not talking. > When I > > > wake > > > > > up I am not really waking and when I sleep I am not really > > > sleeping. > > > > > Sleep, waking and dream are passing before the Self but they > > > cannot > > > > > touch it. Whatever I may do I am not doing it. I have no sin > and > > > no > > > > > virtue, no sleep and no waking, for I am always in the state > of > > > > > sahaja samadhi. Whatever I may do I am always in that state. > > > > > > If there is a mind then there is a world. If there is no > mind > > > then > > > > > there is no world and no body. There is nothing except the > Self > > > and > > > > > the Self has no name and no form. It is eternal peace. I am > ever > > > > > content. > > > > > > I have been able to gain the most valuable thing in the > world, > > > for > > > > > all the riches in the world cannot buy or balance the Self. > Even > > > > > though I did not know that it was possible to get it, I > attained > > > it, > > > > > for without my knowing it, the Self killed the 'I'. > > > > > > Everything is the Self and nothing is apart from it; this > is my > > > > > experience and I do not slip from that state. I am shining as > the > > > > > Self and there is no doubt about my experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi > > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > -- ---------- > Links > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > b.. > RamanaMaharshi > > c.. 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Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Dear Jim, indeed - each one should always search out the source of ego - here you are right. But the fruit of atma vichara can only be peace, understanding, kindness, friendlyness, brightness, compassion, care, respect ... This becomes more and more my understanding as about the fruit of atma vichara. If we look at Bhagavan's life - it was such like. His silent soothening look was possibly the best expression of it ..... Also our form of communication on this forum should be an expression of the same, whatever different opinions there may be - in the trust that Bhagavan Ramana guides each one of us as he likes. Kind regards Gabriele (practicing: Who am I - jim37rich RamanaMaharshi Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:08 AM [RamanaMaharshi] to Gabriele Dear Gabriele:RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote:> Jim,> > as a moderator of this list I say it openly to you:Who is saying it openly? Who are you?it is enough now!> People have shared what is there to share - here and on the other lists - and that's wonderful. > Indeed I would like to go much more in sharing about practice as sadhakas to one another. > There is something to learn here.> But this all seems not to satisfy you in any way and I wonder what you really want to know.Who wonders?> If you are seeking experiences of self-realized teachers - there are more than enough found meanwhile and you > can ask them all. So what's the problem?Who is asking about the problem? Who are you?Are you Gabriele, a person/individual/entity? Is this your identity?Quote:[Ramesh S. Balsekar: The question – Who is Gary? The answer – There is no Gary! Gary, the ego, doesn't exist. If Gary doesn't exist then what exists? Only the Source. Source is all there is.]Ask yourself who am I? Who is doing, thinking, feeling, reacting, complaining, questioning, etc.? as often as you can and a time may come when you suddenly know that you are not a person/body/mind/ego and never was, and that the person, etc. that you took yourself for does not now or ever did exist - except as an image/concept in your own mind. When you stop believing in the personal object you have believed yourself to be since very early childhood, it will vanish and that which you are will remain. Things will be much better for you after that blessed remembrance.good luck,jim> > Gabriele> > > ----- Original Message ----- > jim37rich > To: RamanaMaharshi > Friday, January 30, 2004 8:11 PM> [RamanaMaharshi] Re: The experience of the Self - Ben> > > Ben,> > Again I'll ask: What is your experience? There is more than enough > PREACHING ans CRITICIZING at this list so, please show some respect > to others!> > jim> > RamanaMaharshi, "Ben Hassine" <ben.hassine@x> > wrote:> > Dear Jim,> > > > So if you know this, why come and argue here?> > You are not interested in what people here kindly point out. You go > around> > in all these lists merely to argue.> > > > Also I don't like the way you approach Alan. Some more respect > would be in> > place.> > > > Yours,> > > > Ben.> > > > > > > > > > -> > "jim37rich" <jim37rich>> > To: <RamanaMaharshi>> > Friday, January 30, 2004 8:02 AM> > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: The experience of the Self> > > > > > > Hi Ben:> > >> > > Mind is not the obstacle at all. Wrong identity is the obstacle -> > > you think/believe/assume/"know" that you are a > separate/individual/> > > person/ego/object/thing, when all the while you are the> > > Self/Totality/Consciousness/God (or whatever else you are called).> > > Mind only adds to your mistaken identity as an object (person) > that> > > you have projected and think that you are.....LOL.> > >> > > re: "I knew that I was the Self and that when I uttered the > word 'I',> > > this 'I' meant only the Self. Everything is the Self and nothing > is> > > apart from it; this is my experience."> > > ....so, what's your experience, Ben?> > >> > > yours,> > >> > > jim> > >> > >> > >> > > --- In RamanaMaharshi, "Ben Hassine" > <ben.hassine@x>> > > wrote:> > > > Dear Jim,> > > >> > > > Let me put it this way: I can see clearly the truth of the words> > > spoken by> > > > this lady.> > > > The state she is describing is the same for all. It is the Self> > > speaking.> > > > Mind is the obstacle. It keeps telling you to ask questions and > run> > > around> > > > doing this and searching that.> > > > Truth is simple. Truth is joy and freedom beyond description. > It is> > > the> > > > natural state.> > > > You have to find yourself beyond the mind. That is all.> > > >> > > > Love,> > > >> > > > Ben.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- Original Message -----> > > > "jim37rich" <jim37rich>> > > > To: <RamanaMaharshi>> > > > Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:33 PM> > > > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: The experience of the Self> > > >> > > >> > > > > Ben:> > > > > I deeply appreciate the personal testimony of a realized > person,> > > > > Mathru, and would like to read of other's awakening > experiences if> > > > > they wish to offer them. I'd imagine a genuinely realized > person> > > > > would not bother to come to a forum and speak openly but I > wish> > > they> > > > > would.> > > > >> > > > > What's your own experience Ben?.....> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > thanks again,> > > > >> > > > > jim> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Ben Hassine"> > > <ben.hassine@x>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Typed from No Mind - I am the Self, chapter 19, The > Experience> > > of> > > > > the Self, page 188> > > > > >> > > > > > Saradamma [Mathru Sri Sarada] frequently stresses that the > Self> > > > > cannot be described in words, but on many occasions she tries > to> > > > > describe the indescribable. The first account in this chapter > was> > > > > written by Saradamma herself in Telugu only ten days after her> > > > > realisation. It is a glowing account of the jnani's > experience of> > > the> > > > > Self.> > > > > >> > > > > > Saradamma: When I opened my eyes after realisation there was> > > only> > > > > peace inside and out. I knew that I was the Self and that > when I> > > > > uttered the word 'I', this 'I' meant only the Self.> > > > > > Even though I may see, I am not seeing; even though I may > hear,> > > I> > > > > am not hearing; even though I may talk, I am not talking. > When I> > > wake> > > > > up I am not really waking and when I sleep I am not really> > > sleeping.> > > > > Sleep, waking and dream are passing before the Self but they> > > cannot> > > > > touch it. Whatever I may do I am not doing it. I have no sin > and> > > no> > > > > virtue, no sleep and no waking, for I am always in the state > of> > > > > sahaja samadhi. Whatever I may do I am always in that state.> > > > > > If there is a mind then there is a world. If there is no > mind> > > then> > > > > there is no world and no body. There is nothing except the > Self> > > and> > > > > the Self has no name and no form. It is eternal peace. I am > ever> > > > > content.> > > > > > I have been able to gain the most valuable thing in the > world,> > > for> > > > > all the riches in the world cannot buy or balance the Self. > Even> > > > > though I did not know that it was possible to get it, I > attained> > > it,> > > > > for without my knowing it, the Self killed the 'I'.> > > > > > Everything is the Self and nothing is apart from it; this > is my> > > > > experience and I do not slip from that state. I am shining as > the> > > > > Self and there is no doubt about my experience.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi> > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-> > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi> > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner> > > > >> > > > > Shortcut URL to this page:> > > > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi> > > > >> > > > > Links> > > > >> > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:> > > > > RamanaMaharshi/> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi> > > > >> > > > > Your use of is subject to:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi> > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-> > > Un: RamanaMaharshi> > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner> > >> > > Shortcut URL to this page:> > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi> > >> > >> > > Links> > >> > > > > > RamanaMaharshi/> > >> > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > RamanaMaharshi> > >> > > Your use of Groups is subject to:> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi> Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-> Un: RamanaMaharshi> List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner> > Shortcut URL to this page:> http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links> > > RamanaMaharshi/> > b.. 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