Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 I think that's bang on, Ben. It's said that a realized man can do whatever he likes (having long ago abandoned doing what he WANTS)without loss of spiritual status. Incarnate as the perfect robber, or murderer, whatever - it will all be for the same benefit to mankind. But almost never does, since shocking people would not be doing what he likes. Finding a more pleasant way does not in the least restrict his choice. If the realized one is incapable of sin, as he is, then how can he be more liberated than I, who have no such incapability, and find sinning quite easy. Must work that one out! No hurry, in the meantime; eternal bliss sounds rather tedious. (When they found Diogenes begging alms from a statue, and asked him the reason,he replied: "I was practising disappointment". Thales (I think) exhibited the same 'sameness'. He was addressing a street crowd on immortality, and made the statement "There is no difference between life and death". At which an unconvinced lout yelled out: "So why don't you jump off a cliff"? "Because there is no difference". Best wishes, Nasrudin --- Ben Hassine <ben.hassine wrote: Reality is Love. When Reality or Love is realised as your true nature, your being, you see the world as Reality, as Love. The world of separation is seen as a dream. Actions will spontaneously arise from that undivided Reality, which again is Love. There will be no more division, all is seen as One. In this case all action will have the stamp of Love imprinted on it. Love doesn't need machineguns. It is the illusion of separation that needs them. Yours, Ben. - "Nasrudin" <nasrudin3 <RamanaMaharshi> Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:55 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ben's solution > I see no flaw of logic in Jim's arguments. Perhaps, > though, there is one of imprudence. > A great sage was asked by his disciple, why -since he > was beyond karma and it no longer mattered whether his > actions were 'good' or 'evil': > "Why do you choose the path of 'good' action, when it > no longer matters?" > The sage replied: "Because it doesn't matter". > > At the stage where the necessity sometimes to choose > the right but unpleasing over the wrong but pleasing > has ceased,something in the nature of humanity will > always gravitate to the simple trusted pattern of > 'appropriate' behaviour after it is no longer > necessary. > Ramana gave an example in reply to a question; since > the world is imaginary and not our responsibility, > what reason is there to behave in other than a callous > manner to its immediate needs around us? > If in a dream, all except we are starving and we have > bread, why not machine-gun them? > No reason at all, provided one really can live with > the imaginary guilt, imaginary prison term, etc. In > other words, we should exert effort to pretending the > world is real, and acting as if it were. A dream is > only a dream; but who enjoys nightmares? > > Nasrudin > > --- jim37rich <jim37rich wrote: > > Ben: > > Here's the solution to your problems. > > RamanaMaharshi, "Ben Hassine" > <ben.hassine@x> > wrote: > > Dear Jim, > > > > So if you know this, why come and argue here? > > Who is asking this question? > > > > You are not interested in what people here kindly > point out. You go > around > > in all these lists merely to argue. > > Who is saying "You are not interested" and "You go > around....."? > > > > > > Also I don't like the way you approach Alan. > > Who doesn't like? Who cares? > > > Using Ramana's formula for self-realizaiton the answer > would be: > Me, I, Gabriele! I care! > Then you ask yourself: Who is this me, this Gabriele > that cares? Am > I really Gabriele? Am I really this person, this me? > Am I this > individual/body/mind/personality, ego, thing, entity, > object - known > as Gabriele? > > If yes, abide as a person. > > If no, abide as that which is not a > person/body/mind/etc. > > (From another post): > What, in your own personal or otherwise experience, > happens after the > final question: Who am I? > > Ramesh S. Balsekar: For whom? That is the whole > point, Gary. The > question - Who is Gary? The answer - There is no > Gary! > > Ramesh: Gary, the ego, doesn't exist. If Gary doesn't > exist then > what exists? Only the Source. Source is all there is. > > > Ask yourself who cares; Who is doing, thinking, > feeling, reacting, > complaining, questioning, etc. as often as you can and > a time may > come when you suddenly know that you are not a > person/body/mind/ego > and never was, and that the person, etc. that you took > yourself for > does not now or ever did exist - except as an > image/concept in your > own mind. When you stop believing in the personal > object you have > believed yourself to be since very early childhood, it > will vanish > and that which you are will remain. 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