Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 RamanaMaharshi, Nasrudin <nasrudin3> wrote: > I see no flaw of logic in Jim's arguments. Perhaps, > though, there is one of imprudence. LOL....please explain "imprudence". > A great sage was asked by his disciple, why -since he > was beyond karma and it no longer mattered whether his > actions were 'good' or 'evil': > "Why do you choose the path of 'good' action, when it > no longer matters?" > The sage replied: "Because it doesn't matter". > > At the stage where the necessity sometimes to choose > the right but unpleasing over the wrong but pleasing > has ceased,something in the nature of humanity will > always gravitate to the simple trusted pattern of > 'appropriate' behaviour after it is no longer > necessary. > Ramana gave an example in reply to a question; since > the world is imaginary and not our responsibility, > what reason is there to behave in other than a callous > manner to its immediate needs around us? Yes, what reason? > If in a dream, all except we are starving and we have > bread, why not machine-gun them? Well, why not machine-gun them? > No reason at all, provided one really can live with > the imaginary guilt, imaginary prison term, etc. "One" who? Who is this "one"? Are "we" to treat "others" as we wish to be treated? Are "we" to have a "conscience" in our "worldly" dealing? Even though Consciousness is all there is, should Consciousness still do it's best when dealing with Consciousness? In > other words, we should exert effort to pretending the > world is real, The "world" is real and unreal depending on your perspective. If all is Consciousness, the world and universe is as real as the Consciousness of which it is made but it is unreal as a separate, independent entity within or apart from Consciousness. and acting as if it were. A dream is > only a dream; but who enjoys nightmares? We who? Who is this "we" and how exactly should it act? Who exactly enjoys a nightmare? Who are these beings/entities/persons/individuals that you mention? jim > > Nasrudin > > --- jim37rich <jim37rich> wrote: > > Ben: > > Here's the solution to your problems. > > RamanaMaharshi, "Ben Hassine" > <ben.hassine@x> > wrote: > > Dear Jim, > > > > So if you know this, why come and argue here? > > Who is asking this question? > > > > You are not interested in what people here kindly > point out. You go > around > > in all these lists merely to argue. > > Who is saying "You are not interested" and "You go > around....."? > > > > > > Also I don't like the way you approach Alan. > > Who doesn't like? Who cares? > > > Using Ramana's formula for self-realizaiton the answer > would be: > Me, I, Gabriele! I care! > Then you ask yourself: Who is this me, this Gabriele > that cares? Am > I really Gabriele? Am I really this person, this me? > Am I this > individual/body/mind/personality, ego, thing, entity, > object - known > as Gabriele? > > If yes, abide as a person. > > If no, abide as that which is not a > person/body/mind/etc. > > (From another post): > What, in your own personal or otherwise experience, > happens after the > final question: Who am I? > > Ramesh S. Balsekar: For whom? That is the whole > point, Gary. The > question – Who is Gary? The answer – There is no > Gary! > > Ramesh: Gary, the ego, doesn't exist. If Gary doesn't > exist then > what exists? Only the Source. Source is all there is. > > > Ask yourself who cares; Who is doing, thinking, > feeling, reacting, > complaining, questioning, etc. as often as you can and > a time may > come when you suddenly know that you are not a > person/body/mind/ego > and never was, and that the person, etc. that you took > yourself for > does not now or ever did exist - except as an > image/concept in your > own mind. When you stop believing in the personal > object you have > believed yourself to be since very early childhood, it > will vanish > and that which you are will remain. Things will be > much better for > you after that blessed remembrance. > > > > > good luck, > > jim > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: > RamanaMaharshi- > Un: > RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > Links > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > Terms of Service. > > > http://greetings..au - Greetings > Send your love online with Greetings - FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > "One" who? Who is this "one"? Are "we" to treat "others" as we wish > to be treated? Are "we" to have a "conscience" in our "worldly" > dealing? Even though Consciousness is all there is, should > Consciousness still do it's best when dealing with Consciousness? Indeed!! Why not? 'Putting on a false appearance of joy, of excitement, of disaproval and of eagerness to achieve, perform the duties of the world (appropriately); internally free from the hundreds of binding desires and evenly disposed to all creatures (i.e. looking upon all with equanimity), engage in actions suiting the disguise of manhood, just like an ignorant person. (Sri Ramanahrdayam, v.73) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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