Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 yes there is one called saikumar_durga! >"saikumar_durga" <saikumar_durga >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi >[RamanaMaharshi] Jnana yogis >Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:17:08 -0000 > _______________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo RamanaMaharshi User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 "saikumar_durga" saikumar_durga Mailing-List: list RamanaMaharshi; contact RamanaMaharshi-owner Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:17:08 -0000 [RamanaMaharshi] Jnana yogis Pranam everyone, I know only two jnana yogis living in physical body. One is Sri Ramesh Balsekar of Mumbai and another is Dr. Vijai Shankar. Does any one know if there is a realized jana yogi in USA or any other jnana yogis in India. Thanks a lot, Sai. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Sri Bhagavan emphasised that the counting of realized jnanas is a somewhat abstract notion. That there is such a thing as realization, but no such thing as realized people. Only our imagination believes that their grace can be contacted solely through particular bodies/personalities, which they themselves have no connection to. Realization cannot be qualified in this way. It always remains a unity, so talking of 'realized men' is akin to speaking of the king of the USA. If a single flash of lightning passes through many objects, searing them, these objects could I suppose become objects of reverence; but the lightning itself does not reside in them. Nor is it multiplied by them; they merely mark the route it took. Just a small point, which no doubt we all know, but sometimes forget. The realized One sees no difference between 'himself'and anything else; who are we to say 'he' is wrong? Nasrudin --- saikumar_durga <saikumar_durga wrote: Pranam everyone, I know only two jnana yogis living in physical body. One is Sri Ramesh Balsekar of Mumbai and another is Dr. Vijai Shankar. Does any one know if there is a realized jana yogi in USA or any other jnana yogis in India. Thanks a lot, Sai. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi RamanaMaharshi/ RamanaMaharshi Terms of Service. Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. http://au.movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Dear Sai, There are a lot of people here in the United States. How will I know if one of them is realized? Warmest regards, michael --- saikumar_durga <saikumar_durga wrote: > Pranam everyone, > > I know only two jnana yogis living in physical body. > One is Sri > Ramesh Balsekar of Mumbai and another is Dr. Vijai > Shankar. Does any > one know if there is a realized jana yogi in USA or > any other jnana > yogis in India. > Thanks a lot, > Sai. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Hi All, I knew these answers and that is not waht I was looking for. There is nothing achieving new, I am already realized, there is only one - 'I am' not more than that - merely saying for myself will not help. This is the problem I think with Adviata. Atleast for now, I see myself different from other people, I see there is a difference between a good guy and a bad guy, so certainly I see difference between a jnani and ajnani. If there is no differnce, why would have so many people visited Tiruvanamalai and stayed with Bagavan. Why had not they stayed at home and made themselves clear of the fact that there is no separate 'Ramana Maharshi' apart from them. Why had so many people gone to meet Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramesh Balsekar even after reading books on Advaita and why they went to meet only them specifically. Why is this group formed? There is only one thing which is Self and we are all that very Self, then what is the necessity of this activity of forming a group with the name Bhagvan Ramana Maharshi, posting messages and replying. Well someone might say that all these things are happening in mind. Fine, then these things should happen in mind atleast until when we realize that we are already there. So alteast until then there is difference between saikumar and Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. So I want to meet someone of Ramana Maharshi's cadre. Thanks, Sai. RamanaMaharshi, Nasrudin <nasrudin3> wrote: > Sri Bhagavan emphasised that the counting of realized > jnanas is a somewhat abstract notion. That there is > such a thing as realization, but no such thing as > realized people. Only our imagination believes that > their grace can be contacted solely through particular > bodies/personalities, which they themselves have no > connection to. Realization cannot be qualified in this > way. It always remains a unity, so talking of > 'realized men' is akin to speaking of the king of the > USA. If a single flash of lightning passes through > many objects, searing them, these objects could I > suppose become objects of reverence; but the lightning > itself does not reside in them. Nor is it multiplied > by them; they merely mark the route it took. Just a > small point, which no doubt we all know, but sometimes > forget. The realized One sees no difference between > 'himself'and anything else; who are we to say 'he' is > wrong? > Nasrudin > > RamanaMaharshi, "michael dillon" <michael_dillon_108@m...> wrote: > > yes there is one called saikumar_durga! > RamanaMaharshi, Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > Dear Sai, > > There are a lot of people here in the United States. > How will I know if one of them is realized? > > Warmest regards, > > michael > > > --- saikumar_durga <saikumar_durga> wrote: > > Pranam everyone, > > > > I know only two jnana yogis living in physical body. > > One is Sri > > Ramesh Balsekar of Mumbai and another is Dr. Vijai > > Shankar. Does any > > one know if there is a realized jana yogi in USA or > > any other jnana > > yogis in India. > > Thanks a lot, > > Sai. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 dear sai I don't want to sound facetious or to trivialize your quest for an embodied jnani -au contraire,au contraire it does in fact strike at the heart of this important matter. There is no possibility whatsoever of a jnani being embodied anywhere at anytime,In fact there is no possibility of anything being embodied anywhere at anytime.I would say that this lies at the heart of Bhagavan's teaching. For me Ramana Maharshi is a one in a thousand year revelation,and yet that great teacher consistently deflected the notion that He was an elevated person in anyway,and that for me is what sets Him apart from other imitators.A genuine teacher will terminate the false delusion of the guru/disciple relationship at the earliest possible moment. Personally, i feel that each person has to do what karma has laid down for them ,but at the same time they might wish to reflect on that primal force that has brought them to an interest in advaita/Ramana in the first place. That primal force is for me a palpable sense of Bhagavan's presence within the Heart. Deep Regards, mick dillon >"saikumar_durga" <saikumar_durga >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi >[RamanaMaharshi] Re: Jnana yogis >Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:50:40 -0000 > _______________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger RamanaMaharshi In-20040221023252.66500.qmail User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 "saikumar_durga" saikumar_durga Mailing-List: list RamanaMaharshi; contact RamanaMaharshi-owner Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:50:40 -0000 [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Jnana yogis Hi All, I knew these answers and that is not waht I was looking for. There is nothing achieving new, I am already realized, there is only one - 'I am' not more than that - merely saying for myself will not help. This is the problem I think with Adviata. Atleast for now, I see myself different from other people, I see there is a difference between a good guy and a bad guy, so certainly I see difference between a jnani and ajnani. If there is no differnce, why would have so many people visited Tiruvanamalai and stayed with Bagavan. Why had not they stayed at home and made themselves clear of the fact that there is no separate 'Ramana Maharshi' apart from them. Why had so many people gone to meet Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramesh Balsekar even after reading books on Advaita and why they went to meet only them specifically. Why is this group formed? There is only one thing which is Self and we are all that very Self, then what is the necessity of this activity of forming a group with the name Bhagvan Ramana Maharshi, posting messages and replying. Well someone might say that all these things are happening in mind. Fine, then these things should happen in mind atleast until when we realize that we are already there. So alteast until then there is difference between saikumar and Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. So I want to meet someone of Ramana Maharshi's cadre. Thanks, Sai. RamanaMaharshi, Nasrudin <nasrudin3> wrote: > Sri Bhagavan emphasised that the counting of realized > jnanas is a somewhat abstract notion. That there is > such a thing as realization, but no such thing as > realized people. Only our imagination believes that > their grace can be contacted solely through particular > bodies/personalities, which they themselves have no > connection to. Realization cannot be qualified in this > way. It always remains a unity, so talking of > 'realized men' is akin to speaking of the king of the > USA. If a single flash of lightning passes through > many objects, searing them, these objects could I > suppose become objects of reverence; but the lightning > itself does not reside in them. Nor is it multiplied > by them; they merely mark the route it took. Just a > small point, which no doubt we all know, but sometimes > forget. The realized One sees no difference between > 'himself'and anything else; who are we to say 'he' is > wrong? > Nasrudin > > RamanaMaharshi, "michael dillon" <michael_dillon_108@m...> wrote: > > yes there is one called saikumar_durga! > RamanaMaharshi, Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > Dear Sai, > > There are a lot of people here in the United States. > How will I know if one of them is realized? > > Warmest regards, > > michael > > > --- saikumar_durga <saikumar_durga> wrote: > > Pranam everyone, > > > > I know only two jnana yogis living in physical body. > > One is Sri > > Ramesh Balsekar of Mumbai and another is Dr. Vijai > > Shankar. Does any > > one know if there is a realized jana yogi in USA or > > any other jnana > > yogis in India. > > Thanks a lot, > > Sai. > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 RamanaMaharshi, Nasrudin <nasrudin3> wrote: > Sri Bhagavan emphasised that the counting of realized > jnanas is a somewhat abstract notion. That there is > such a thing as realization, but no such thing as > realized people. Only our imagination believes that > their grace can be contacted solely through particular > bodies/personalities, which they themselves have no > connection to. Realization cannot be qualified in this > way. It always remains a unity, so talking of > 'realized men' is akin to speaking of the king of the > USA. If a single flash of lightning passes through > many objects, searing them, these objects could I > suppose become objects of reverence; but the lightning > itself does not reside in them. Nor is it multiplied > by them; they merely mark the route it took. Just a > small point, which no doubt we all know, but sometimes > forget. The realized One sees no difference between > 'himself'and anything else; who are we to say 'he' is > wrong? > Nasrudin > > OOOO Boy.....there are some things here I might want to speak to. >Only our imagination believes that > their grace can be contacted solely through particular > bodies/personalities Although i don't assume that their grace can be contacted with *solely*, i do think it is sometimes beneficial to have darshan or even satsang. This is why: As for this lightning analogy....I *do* think that the jnanis are *juiced up*......that is that realisation is not merely a mental thing, it affects the body mind of such a one. The shakti moves unhindered through them, people notice something in their company, some are said to be "initiated" through special experiences given to them through the phenominon of shaktipat, (a touch, word or glance). Some use this as they might a drug, loosing the benefit generally as soon as they move away again, but some are changed profoundly and their progress is *quickened.* It is widely known that devotion to the Guru is quicker than jnana, but is less stable a unpredictable and is entirely dependent on various factors that the aspirant brings to the table. Whereas jnana is said to be slower but generally more steady. The lightning does in fact charge them, the reason it is not mentioned much is that it is no indication that one is a jnani, he may in fact be still on the path but have yogic abilities. And of course some just want the miracles or are otherwise after "powers." The lightning in Truth abides in us all but is usually obstructed due to limiting force of the Self misidentified as ego. Sri Ramana always stressed that grace is everywhere available in every moment. He also said that the best indicator of a jnani is the peace you might feel in their company. ~Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 RamanaMaharshi, "saikumar_durga" <saikumar_durga> wrote: <snip.So I want to meet someone of > Ramana Maharshi's cadre. > Thanks, > Sai. This may be a tall order, but here is a place to start: http://www.nonduality.com/morea.htm ~Shawn Shawn's picks))))))) Adyashanti _ he resonates Gangaji- she is form Papaji-Ramana Eckhart Tolle---good ........but/and popular--tours the US Cee-------------http://www.presentnonexistence.com/teaching.htm Nome----------http://www.satramana.org/html/satsang.htm Nome hangs Ramanas picture and seems to stick very close to the basic teaching of Ramana Cee also from Nome lineage This should get you started....lol ~Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 --- michael dillon <michael_dillon_108 wrote: > > > dear sai > I don't want to sound facetious or to > trivialize your quest > for an embodied jnani -au contraire,au contraire it > does in fact strike at > the heart of this important matter. > There is no possibility whatsoever of > a jnani being embodied > anywhere at anytime,In fact there is no possibility > of anything being > embodied anywhere at anytime.I would say that this > lies at the heart of > Bhagavan's teaching. > For me Ramana Maharshi is a one in a > thousand year > revelation,and yet that great teacher consistently > deflected the notion that > He was an elevated person in anyway,and that for me > is what sets Him apart > from other imitators.A genuine teacher will > terminate the false delusion of > the guru/disciple relationship at the earliest > possible moment. > Personally, i feel that each person > has to do what karma has > laid down for them ,but at the same time they might > wish to reflect on that > primal force that has brought them to an interest in > advaita/Ramana in the > first place. That primal force is for me a palpable > sense of Bhagavan's > presence within the Heart. > Deep Regards, > > mick dillon > > > >"saikumar_durga" <saikumar_durga > >RamanaMaharshi > >RamanaMaharshi > >[RamanaMaharshi] Re: Jnana yogis > >Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:50:40 -0000 > > > > _______________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN > Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > RamanaMaharshi > "saikumar_durga" <saikumar_durga > Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:50:40 -0000 > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Jnana yogis > Hi All, I knew these answers and that is not waht I was looking for. There is nothing achieving new, I am already realized, there is only one - 'I am' not more than that - merely saying for myself will not help. This is the problem I think with Adviata. Atleast for now, I see myself different from other people, I see there is a difference between a good guy and a bad guy, so certainly I see difference between a jnani and ajnani. If there is no differnce, why would have so many people visited Tiruvanamalai and stayed with Bagavan. Why had not they stayed at home and made themselves clear of the fact that there is no separate 'Ramana Maharshi' apart from them. Why had so many people gone to meet Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramesh Balsekar even after reading books on Advaita and why they went to meet only them specifically. Why is this group formed? There is only one thing which is Self and we are all that very Self, then what is the necessity of this activity of forming a group with the name Bhagvan Ramana Maharshi, posting messages and replying. Well someone might say that all these things are happening in mind. Fine, then these things should happen in mind atleast until when we realize that we are already there. So alteast until then there is difference between saikumar and Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. So I want to meet someone of Ramana Maharshi's cadre. Thanks, Sai. RamanaMaharshi, Nasrudin <nasrudin3> wrote: > Sri Bhagavan emphasised that the counting of realized > jnanas is a somewhat abstract notion. That there is > such a thing as realization, but no such thing as > realized people. Only our imagination believes that > their grace can be contacted solely through particular > bodies/personalities, which they themselves have no > connection to. Realization cannot be qualified in this > way. It always remains a unity, so talking of > 'realized men' is akin to speaking of the king of the > USA. If a single flash of lightning passes through > many objects, searing them, these objects could I > suppose become objects of reverence; but the lightning > itself does not reside in them. Nor is it multiplied > by them; they merely mark the route it took. Just a > small point, which no doubt we all know, but sometimes > forget. The realized One sees no difference between > 'himself'and anything else; who are we to say 'he' is > wrong? > Nasrudin > > RamanaMaharshi, "michael dillon" <michael_dillon_108@m...> wrote: > > yes there is one called saikumar_durga! > RamanaMaharshi, Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > Dear Sai, > > There are a lot of people here in the United States. > How will I know if one of them is realized? > > Warmest regards, > > michael > > > --- saikumar_durga <saikumar_durga> wrote: > > Pranam everyone, > > > > I know only two jnana yogis living in physical body. > > One is Sri > > Ramesh Balsekar of Mumbai and another is Dr. Vijai > > Shankar. Does any > > one know if there is a realized jana yogi in USA or > > any other jnana > > yogis in India. > > Thanks a lot, > > Sai. > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Hi, Sai wrote that he was interested in knowing whether there were any living gnanis.I think there are loads of individuals who claim to be gnanis.Even I'd like to be a gnani or a sage, so then I could help others become gnanis too.Any way I do not think there is living religious teacher in the same league as Ramana.Krishanmurthy was there.It is a pity I never got the opportunity to see him in person. I think many on this forum like me have great reverence for JK. He was different from Ramana in some ways but I think in in his own way he was just as great,though not as popular because of his uncompromising attitude. Unlike Ramana he never liked to encourage the worship of deities and he said we should put aside all our comforting beliefs.Ramana for some reason never liked to be sidetracked from the main issue which was realising the self. However people who came to him were always asking him to explain some verse from the vedas or the Gita.They did not realise that Ramana was himself an avatar, it would have been better to learn from him directly than to talk endlessly about the vedas and so on. Ramana like JK categorically said that reading the scriptures had no value when it came to god realisation.So I think being steeped in tradition and performing rituals can be a hindrance to experiencing the self. Any way I've chosen Ramana as my Guru even though like JK he said quite clearly that he had no disciples. Actually JK was like a Guru too. I have great reverence for both of them. Any way from what I've said you'll realise that I do not have any set ideas about anything.By the way there could be a few gnanis in this group and other Ramana groups. I am dead serious.Who knows?I consider it a great priviledge to be interacting with so many living living gnanis. WARM REGARDS TO ALL alakeshwar Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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