Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 ---Dear Shawn. Thanks for your contribution to an interesting discussion ,other member's comments may also help clarify the distinction .The goal is by no means unreachable .How hard and long , in my view, depends on the sadhana in previous lives , the effort in this one and the earnest desire for Liberation .I did not intend to place Ramana on an unapproachable lofty seat .He was and still is always available to seekers,and approachable if they seek his guidance in the Heart .The view of Ramana that he is a Supreme Guru is gradually being more and more acknowledged by many Devotees and in India as a whole.Every best wish , in His grace, Alan Hair <shawn wrote: > RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > > Here are some considered thoughts on Western Advaita > Teachers and the distinction that needs to be > > made between them and Jnanis . > > > > The Advaita [still proliferating]Teachers of the Western World, > who are often gifted > > communicators with attractive personalities, are by no means > Sages. I am personally friendly with > > many of them, and I am sure they are too honest ever to make > such a claim and would all agree > > with this thesis. Their vasanas [inborn accumalated habits and > tendencies] are still observably > > active, <snip> > > > *I would exclude Ramesh S.Balsekar ,a longstanding devotee > of Sri Ramana, Maharshi , and direct > > pupil of Nisagadatta Maharaj from this overview as my > forthcoming book 'The Wisdom of Balsekar'an > > anthology of his written works , approved by him, with a > foreward by Wayne Liquorman will > > illustrate.It is not being released by Watkins Publishing until > the Summer. > > > > > ===== > > alan > > jeez Alan...considering that you are nearly in a position to be in > some sort of competitive relationship with these guys, I hope you > don't mind that I take your criticism with a grain of salt. > > Good luck with the book. > > Of course, I can't help feeling that Sri Ramana himself would not > applaud your efforts at making the goal so unreachable and > placing him on so lofty a seat. > > namaste, > Shawn > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > ===== alan _________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > ---Dear Shawn. > Thanks for your contribution to an interesting discussion ,other member's comments may also help > clarify the distinction .The goal is by no means unreachable ..How hard and long , in my view, > depends on the sadhana in previous lives , the effort in this one and the earnest desire for > Liberation .I did not intend to place Ramana on an unapproachable lofty seat .He was and still is > always available to seekers,and approachable if they seek his guidance in the Heart .The view of > Ramana that he is a Supreme Guru is gradually being more and more acknowledged by many Devotees > and in India as a whole.Every best wish , in His grace, Alan Dear Alan, thank you for your gracious reply. Make no mistake, i am a devotee of Sri Ramana's. perhaps i am getting a little overly sensitive to this issue of who's greater than who contests. To me , my devotion to Ramana (as well as others) is nothing more than devotion to the Truth that Holds us all, the Self in which we all inhere. As Nemm Karoli baba once remarked upon reading his followers' minds,"Too big, too little,too big, too little." ( the mind loves to measure ))))))) Many times people would be sad to leave company of the Bhagwan, and he always insisted that the Self is within each , indeed is each and it was absurd to think otherwise. grace is not so much bestowed by others, but by that Guru within and is never out of reach. I share your fondness for the Maharshi but do not wish to see a gleeful unthinking cultic attatchment to him as a person, that is all. ))))))))in respect, your brother Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 ---Dear Shawn , thanks.I feel we are in agreement .Regards and best wiskes , in His Grace Alan Hair <shawn wrote: > RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > > ---Dear Shawn. > > Thanks for your contribution to an interesting discussion ,other > member's comments may also help > > clarify the distinction .The goal is by no means unreachable > .How hard and long , in my view, > > depends on the sadhana in previous lives , the effort in this > one and the earnest desire for > > Liberation .I did not intend to place Ramana on an > unapproachable lofty seat .He was and still is > > always available to seekers,and approachable if they seek his > guidance in the Heart .The view of > > Ramana that he is a Supreme Guru is gradually being more > and more acknowledged by many Devotees > > and in India as a whole.Every best wish , in His grace, Alan > > > Dear Alan, > > thank you for your gracious reply. Make no mistake, i am a > devotee of Sri Ramana's. perhaps i am getting a little overly > sensitive to this issue of who's greater than who contests. To me > , my devotion to Ramana (as well as others) is nothing more > than devotion to the Truth that Holds us all, the Self in which we > all inhere. As Nemm Karoli baba once remarked upon reading > his followers' minds,"Too big, too little,too big, too little." ( the > mind loves to measure ))))))) > > Many times people would be sad to leave company of the > Bhagwan, and he always insisted that the Self is within each , > indeed is each and it was absurd to think otherwise. grace is not > so much bestowed by others, but by that Guru within and is > never out of reach. > > I share your fondness for the Maharshi but do not wish to see a > gleeful unthinking cultic attatchment to him as a person, that is > all. > > ))))))))in respect, > your brother Shawn > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > ===== alan _________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Dear Alan and Shawn, Was just going thru the thread of interesting conversation. My view is that we, as sadhaks, should refrain , as far as possible, from forming views and expressing opinions which are bound to be preceeded by thoughts and are a result of 'discriminating mind' rather than a 'resting mind'. Why not just BE and let the world be. Incidentally Shawn, you mentioned about Neem Karoli Baba. Let me tell you that I belong to the very place ,Kainchi, where Baba's ashram is and had the good fortune of seeing him in the body in my younger days. In case you know of some sites containing his teachings please let me know. Yours in Bhagawan sidhartha - Shawn Hair RamanaMaharshi Sunday, February 22, 2004 12:26 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Jnanis and Teachers RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:> ---Dear Shawn.> Thanks for your contribution to an interesting discussion ,other member's comments may also help> clarify the distinction .The goal is by no means unreachable .How hard and long , in my view,> depends on the sadhana in previous lives , the effort in this one and the earnest desire for> Liberation .I did not intend to place Ramana on an unapproachable lofty seat ..He was and still is > always available to seekers,and approachable if they seek his guidance in the Heart .The view of> Ramana that he is a Supreme Guru is gradually being more and more acknowledged by many Devotees> and in India as a whole.Every best wish , in His grace, Alan Dear Alan,thank you for your gracious reply. Make no mistake, i am a devotee of Sri Ramana's. perhaps i am getting a little overly sensitive to this issue of who's greater than who contests. To me , my devotion to Ramana (as well as others) is nothing more than devotion to the Truth that Holds us all, the Self in which we all inhere. As Nemm Karoli baba once remarked upon reading his followers' minds,"Too big, too little,too big, too little." ( the mind loves to measure )))))))Many times people would be sad to leave company of the Bhagwan, and he always insisted that the Self is within each , indeed is each and it was absurd to think otherwise. grace is not so much bestowed by others, but by that Guru within and is never out of reach.I share your fondness for the Maharshi but do not wish to see a gleeful unthinking cultic attatchment to him as a person, that is all.))))))))in respect,your brother Shawn Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Dear Sidhartha, --- sdalakoti <sdalakoti wrote: > Dear Alan and Shawn, > Was just going thru the thread of interesting > conversation. My view is that we, as sadhaks, should > refrain , as far as possible, from forming views and > expressing opinions which are bound to be preceeded > by thoughts and are a result of 'discriminating > mind' rather than a 'resting mind'. Why not just BE > and let the world be. SNIP You wrote: "Was just going thru hte thread of interesting converation,..." Then you ask Alan and Shawn to "...refrain, as far as possible, from ....expressing opinions..." Why do you expect persons on this list, or any other list, to refrain from expressing themselves.? What do you think that persons should write here in this forum? Warmest regards, michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Dear Michael, Sorry Michael. What I actually meant was 'formation' (as far as possible) of views and opinions which is the result of discrimination.Though it cannot be stopped (since none of us has reached the stage of a sage ) altogether,yet that should be the endevour. Regards and love sidhartha - Michael Bowes RamanaMaharshi Monday, February 23, 2004 8:39 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Jnanis and Teachers Dear Sidhartha,--- sdalakoti <sdalakoti (AT) jkpm (DOT) jkmail.com> wrote:> Dear Alan and Shawn,> Was just going thru the thread of interesting> conversation. My view is that we, as sadhaks, should> refrain , as far as possible, from forming views and> expressing opinions which are bound to be preceeded> by thoughts and are a result of 'discriminating> mind' rather than a 'resting mind'. Why not just BE> and let the world be.SNIPYou wrote: "Was just going thru hte thread ofinteresting converation,..." Then you ask Alan andShawn to "...refrain, as far as possible, from...expressing opinions..."Why do you expect persons on this list, or any otherlist, to refrain from expressing themselves.? What doyou think that persons should write here in thisforum?Warmest regards,michael Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 RamanaMaharshi, Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes> wrote: > Dear Sidhartha, > > --- sdalakoti <sdalakoti@j...> wrote: > > Dear Alan and Shawn, > > Was just going thru the thread of interesting > > conversation. My view is that we, as sadhaks, should > > refrain , as far as possible, from forming views and > > expressing opinions which are bound to be preceeded > > by thoughts and are a result of 'discriminating > > mind' rather than a 'resting mind'. Why not just BE > > and let the world be. > > SNIP > > You wrote: "Was just going thru hte thread of > interesting converation,..." Then you ask Alan and > Shawn to "...refrain, as far as possible, from > ...expressing opinions..." > > Why do you expect persons on this list, or any other > list, to refrain from expressing themselves.? What do > you think that persons should write here in this > forum? > > Warmest regards, > > michael ================== Too big, too little, too big, too little, ))))))))))))) ~Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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