Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 Quetion 3 Ganapati Muni asks Sri Bhagavan Kapali Sastriar Translation 6.Does one established in Consciousness conclude that he is established in Consciousness knowing the fullness of things or the ceasing of knowledge ? Krishna Bhikshu Translation 6.How does one ,abiding in the Cognisant-Self recognise himself as such ? is it by knowing the fullness of his enlightenment or is it by his indifference towards sense-objects ? Ramana answers; 15[Kapali Trans] When the Natural State becomes fixed by a silence devoid of impressions,the Jnanin would be,without a doubt,able to conclude that he is a Jnanin himself. 15{Krishna Bhikshu Trans.}In the firm ,natural,innate state,the Self,in that Supreme Silence,where there is no urge to repond to any impulse,by that very sign the Enlightened know ,without any doubt, that they are Enlightened. ===== alan _________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > Quetion 3 > > Ganapati Muni asks Sri Bhagavan > > Kapali Sastriar Translation > > 6.Does one established in Consciousness conclude that he is established in Consciousness knowing > the fullness of things or the ceasing of knowledge ? > > Krishna Bhikshu Translation > > 6.How does one ,abiding in the Cognisant-Self recognise himself as such ? is it by knowing the > fullness of his enlightenment or is it by his indifference towards sense-objects ? > > Ramana answers; > > 15[Kapali Trans] > > When the Natural State becomes fixed by a silence devoid of impressions,the Jnanin would > be,without a doubt,able to conclude that he is a Jnanin himself. > > > 15{Krishna Bhikshu Trans.}In the firm ,natural,innate state,the Self,in that Supreme Silence,where > there is no urge to repond to any impulse,by that very sign the Enlightened know ,without any > doubt, that they are Enlightened. > > > > > ===== > alan ===================================== Question 3…….[Translation & commentary by Natarajan] Vs 6 How does a person of `steady knowledge' know that he is one such? Is it because of the awareness of the fullness of his knowledge? Or is it because of cessation of objective* awareness? Vs 7 By what hallmark do the learned recognise the Knower? ( note: this is later referred to as the fourth question with answer in vs16) Commentary The expression `sthitaprajna' means `one who is rooted in Self- knowledge'. The wisdom of such a person is steady and firm. For such a person there are no `others' Perception of oneness does not mean that such a person is not aware of objects. It only means that Self- attention is not lost because of objective* awareness. The Muni puts the questions from two angles: from the viewpoint of the knower himself and that of the onlookers. Something should stand out in a person to enable his or her identification, straightaway, as a wise person. *(Note : Natarajan's use of the word `objective' should not be confused with its use as in opposite of `subjective') Answer… Vs 15 In the firm natural state, through the silence of the mind free of all tendencies, the knower knows himself as such, without any doubt. Commentary This is Ramana's answer to the third question. The expression `mouna' means silence. It may be wrongly taken to mean refraining from speech. `What is the good of keeping the mouth closed and letting the mind run riot?' Ramana would ask. Nor could it refer to forced stillness brought about by breath-control and certain other spiritual practices. The silence referred to in this verse is the natural quietness of the mind, a mind which does not become externalised by contact with sense objects, because tendencies have been destroyed. The flame of knowledge burns away the seeds of the latent tendencies which pull out the mind. The certainty of the knower springs from the firmness of his experience. Such silence is potent and knowledge is best communicated by the truly silent ones. Dakshinamurti Siva, of yore, and Ramana, of the present exemplify this. = = = = = anu > > > > > > _________ > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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