Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Rob Sacks" <editor (AT) realization (DOT) org> Earlier today I ran across an interesting description of atma vichara in (of all places!) Rudyard Kipling's novel "Kim." In the book, the practice happens to the protagonist spontaneously when he is about sixteen years old -- the same circumstances under which it happened to Ramana Maharshi. .. This book appeared in 1901, the same year that Ramana Maharshi began to "dictate" the first version of the pamphlet "Who Am I" by writing answers to questions in the sand. I apologize if I am offending anyone by quoting Kipling here. His works are offensive in many respects. But if God is not too fastidious to use Kipling as a medium, perhaps we should not be too fastidious to take an interest in what he wrote. .. Here's the whole passage: A very few white people, but many Asiatics, can throw themselves into a mazement as it were by repeating their own names over and over again to themselves, letting the mind go free upon speculation as to what is called personal identity. When one grows older, the power, usually, departs, but while it lasts it may descend upon a man at any moment. .. 'Who is Kim - Kim - Kim?' .. He squatted in a corner of the clanging waiting-room, rapt from all other thoughts; hands folded in lap, and pupils contracted to pin-points. In a minute - in another half-second he felt he would arrive at the solution of the tremendous puzzle; but here, as always happens, his mind dropped away from those heights with a rush of a wounded bird, and passing his hand before his eyes, he shook his head. .. A long-haired Hindu bairagi [holy man], who had just bought a ticket, halted before him at that moment and stared intently. .. 'I also have lost it,' he said sadly. 'It is one of the Gates to the Way, but for me it has been shut many years.' .. 'What is the talk?' said Kim, abashed. .. 'Thou wast wondering there in thy spirit what manner of thing thy soul might be. The seizure came of a sudden. I know. Who should know but I? Whither goest thou?' .. >From Chapter 11 One thing that stood out for me is the remark that this is happens mainly to young people. Coincidentally, just before I stumbled across this passage, a friend had written to me that people have to start sadhana at a young age in order to experience the Self directly. All I can say is, I hope they are wrong. The same thing happened to the famous English poet Tennyson around the same time. He said that it was a talent he had had from early childhood, but it didn’t leave him when he grew up. This (from Day by Day, 17th June, 1946) is what happened when Devaraja Mudaliar read out a description of the experience to Bhagavan: In continuation of yesterday’s conversation about Tennyson, the relevant passage was found in a footnote to the English translation of Upadesa Saram. It was not in a poem but in a letter to B. P. Blood. Bhagavan asked me to read it out, so I did: ‘...a kind of waking trance I have frequently had, quite up from boyhood, when I have been all alone. This has generally come upon me through repeating my own name two or three times to myself, silently, till all at once, as it were out of the intensity of consciousness of individuality, the individuality itself seemed to dissolve and fade away into boundless being: and this is not a confused state, but the clearest of the clearest, the surest of the surest, the weirdest of the weirdest, utterly beyond words, where death was a laughable impossibility, the loss of personality (if so it were) seeming no extinction but the only true life.’ Bhagavan said: ‘That state is called abidance in the Self. It is described in a number of songs.’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hi David, Thank you for drawing our attention to Tennyson's remark about his experience of atma-vichara and the Self. It's fascinating to read about these eruptions of spontaneous Vedanta in 19th century Europe. It seems to me that Tennyson's and Kipling's remarks fall into two different categories. On the one hand, Tennyson is describing his own experience and not something he read about or heard about. He apparently discovered this technique on his own, and nothing in the quotation suggests that he was aware that it was a traditional method associated with Vedanta. Kipling's case is the reverse. He states explicitly that he is describing a technique associated with Hinduism, but (to my ears at least) nothing in the passage suggests that he had this experience for himself. In both cases, the technique involves focusing the attention on one's own name. Clearly this is atma-vichara even though the usual Indian instructions for atma-vichara are generally cast in other language. In fact I can't recall ever seeing Indian instructions for atma-vichara that involve repeating one's own name. Does anyone know of such instructions? Perhaps Kipling got his notion of repeating one's own name from Tennyson. Or perhaps he got it from an Indian yogi who was influenced by Tennyson. Such a bit of reverse cultural transmission would not be surprising. - David Godman RamanaMaharshi Friday, May 21, 2004 12:51 AM [RamanaMaharshi] Vichara in Kipling's Kim (and Tennyson)Rob Sacks" <editor (AT) realization (DOT) org>Earlier today I ran across an interesting description of atma vichara in (of all places!) Rudyard Kipling's novel "Kim." In the book, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 I have not come across the technique involving focusing the attention on one's own name, but have seen taking up a word and repeating it with attention focused on the source from where the word arises. At the age of 7, during one of my visits to the wandaring Avadhuta Sri Parabrahma who was always immersed in Self, I chanted the popular shloka on Guru: Guru Brahma Gurur Vishnuh Gurur Devo Maheshwaraha | Gurussakshat Parabrahma Tasmai Sri Gurave Namaha || He stopped me at the word Tasmai and then went on repeating it Tasmai...Tasmai...Tasmai... several times and then burst into a roaring laughter that would stretch the mind of those around into a vast expanse where the individuality was lost. I was later told by my uncle that this was a technique to raise to Parabrahmanhood with the attention solely on the source from where 'Tasmai' came up. On another occasion this was demonstrated again by Sri Parabrahma. When I chanted: Ananda rupoham akhanda bodhaha...... He would stop me and then start repeating Anand....Anand... Anand...Anand.... merge in it and remain Silent. I have a five minute tape of the above instances recorded in 1976 which I keep listening occasionally. My uncle had also witnessed such practice by His Holiness Sri Abhinava VIdyatirtha Mahaswaminah the erstwhile Pontiff at Sri Sharada Peetam, Sringeri, while travelling with him. While my uncle once wrote Om on a paper before writing something, Sri Parabrahma snatched the paper and pen and drew a line in zig zag manner and said 'this is how we write Om'. The focus of attention is clearly not on what we write or chant, but the source from where it arises or to which it points. I feel in case of Tennyson and Kipling, the name was to them their Being and they simply stay put in the Being by repeating their name. Or, the name was pointing them to their Being and not to their body or any other limited identity. In Bhagavan's Grace, Nagaraja Hi David, ........... In both cases, the technique involves focusing the attention on one's own name. Clearly this is atma-vichara even though the usual Indian instructions for atma-vichara are generally cast in other language. In fact I can't recall ever seeing Indian instructions for atma-vichara that involve repeating one's own name. Does anyone know of such instructions? ......... India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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