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RAMANA GITA CHAPTER 15. OM, SRAVANA, MANANA, NIDIDHYASANA

 

 

Translation of Prof.K.Swaminathan and Sri Visvanatha Swami

 

Bhagavan:

 

8.Some say that the intellectual conviction of the identity of

Brahman and Atman, without doubt or misunderstanding, is

nididhyasana .

 

9.Mere scriptual knowledge of this identity, however free from doubt

or misunderstanding, does not

by itself confer experience.

 

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Ramana Gita [Translation and Commentary by AR Natarajan]

Chapter 15 `Sravana Manana Nidhidyasana'

 

V8

Some say that the apprehension, through discrimination, of the

identity of the individual and Brahman, free from doubt or

misunderstanding, is Self-abidance.

 

Commentary

The scriptures declare through sacred words like `I am

That', `Brahman am I', the individual's identity with Brahman. A

firm and unwavering conviction of this feeling of oneness, of

nonseparateness, is regarded as abiding as Truth.

 

V9

Even if knowledge of the scriptures is free from doubt and

misunderstanding it does not by itself confer experience.

 

Commentary

Scriptures are guideposts, pointers of the way which a seeker has to

tread to make it his own experience.

 

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>From 'Letters from Sri Ramanashramam':

19th July 1947

(135) HEARING, MEDITATION AND THE LIKE

Yesterday, two pandits came from Kumbakonam. This morning at 9 o'clock, they

approached Bhagavan and said, 'Swami, we take leave of you. We pray that you

may be pleased to bless us that our mind may merge or dissolve itself in

shanthi.' Bhagavan nodded his head as usual. After they had left, he said,

looking at Ramachandra Iyer, 'Shanthi is the original state. If what comes from

outside is rejected what remains is peace. What then is there to dissolve or

merge? Only that which comes from outside has to be thrown out. If people whose

minds are mature are simply told that the swarupa itself is shanti, they get

jnana. It is only for immature minds that sravana and manana are prescribed but

for mature minds there is no need of them. If people at a distance enquire how

to go to Ramana Maharshi, we have to tell them to get into such and such a

train or take such and such a path, but if they come to Tiruvannamalai, reach

Ramanasramam and step into the hall, it is enough if they are told, here is

that person. There is no need to move any further.'

'Sravana and manana mean only those described in Vedanta, don't they?' said some

one. 'Yes,' Bhagavan replied, 'But one thing. Not only are there outward sravana

and manana but there are also inward sravana and manana. They must occur to a

person as a result of the maturity of his mind. Those that are liable to do

that aantara sravana (hearing inwardly) do not have any doubts.'

Whenever any one asked what those aantara sravanas are, he used to say, 'Aantara

sravana means the knowledge of that Atma which is in the cave of the heart

always illuminated with the feeling 'aham, aham' ('I, I'), and to get that

feeling to be in one's heart is manana and to remain in one's self is

nididhyasana.'

In this connection, it is worth while remembering the sloka written by Bhagavan

bearing on this subject. In that sloka mention is made not only to Atma

sphurana but also how to secure it. Securing means only remaining in one's own

self.

hRdayakuharamadhye kevalaM brahmamAtram |

hyahamahamiti sAkshAdAtmarUpeNa bhAti |

hRdi viSa manasA svam cinvatA majjatA vA |

pavanacalana rodhAdAtmanishTho bhava tvam ||

'Brahman is glowing lustrously in the middle of the cave of the Heart in the

shape of the Self, always proclaiming 'I am, I am'. Become an Atmanishta, a

Self-realised person, either by making the mind absorbed in the search of the

Self or by making the mind drown itself through control of the breath.'

(from the edition printed by Sri Ramanasramam in 1995)

> RAMANA GITA CHAPTER 15. OM, SRAVANA, MANANA, NIDIDHYASANA

>

> Translation of Prof.K.Swaminathan and Sri Visvanatha Swami

>

> Bhagavan:

>

> 8.Some say that the intellectual conviction of the identity of Brahman and

> Atman, without doubt or misunderstanding, is nididhyasana .

>

> 9.Mere scriptual knowledge of this identity, however free from doubt or

> misunderstanding, does not by itself confer experience.