Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 > From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" > > Part I - The Quest > > 6. Illusory Appearance of the World > > 87) The appearance of the world in Awareness-Being is like the snake > foisted on the rope. Just as on Inquiry you do not see any snake in the > rope, the creation of the world has never happened at any point of time. > > 88) In reality, the snake foisted on the rope is only on account of mental > delusion, having conceived the form of the snake, sustaining it on account > of the fear of its own creation, and finally, through clear perception, > eradicating the false knowledge. > > 89) Seed, sprout, and plant, though mere (appearance) sequences of the > self-same totality, yet the one (the effect), seems to be the replacement > of the other (the cause). This causal relationship is only owing to the > delusion of the ignorant mind, the arising of the one from the other not > being true. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > From the book, "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" by Sri Muruganar, trans. Sri Sadhu Om _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Dear Alan Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in verse 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. Best regards wai Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.uk> 06/14/2004 09:13 AM Please respond to RamanaMaharshi ramana maharshi <ramanamaharshi> cc: [RamanaMaharshi] From the Garland > From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" > > Part I - The Quest > > 4. Barrenness of the World > > 78) In reality, there is no intrinsic joy abiding in any of the objects of > the world, which itself is conceived by the delusive bewildering mind. How > could the besotted mind delude itself into the belief that happiness abides > in the objects of the world? > > 79) The arrogant and fiendish pleasures, nurtured at present through the > available objects will come to naught, bringing great sorrow in their train. > > 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness of > the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the sorrow > of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling along the > sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > From the book, "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" by Sri Muruganar, Sri Sadhu om Trans. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Links RamanaMaharshi/ RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Der Wai , I am not too sure .This was from Sadhu Om's translation .The Mahadevan Translation of V. 80 refers to ' whirling vasanas old' . Regards, Alan --- leesin wrote: > Dear Alan > > Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in > verse 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. > > > Best regards > wai Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs > 06/14/2004 09:13 AM > Please respond to RamanaMaharshi > > > ramana maharshi <ramanamaharshi> > cc: > [RamanaMaharshi] From the Garland > > > > > From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" > > > > Part I - The Quest > > > > 4. Barrenness of the World > > > > 78) In reality, there is no intrinsic joy abiding in any of the objects > of > > the world, which itself is conceived by the delusive bewildering mind. > How > > could the besotted mind delude itself into the belief that happiness > abides > > in the objects of the world? > > > > 79) The arrogant and fiendish pleasures, nurtured at present through > the > > available objects will come to naught, bringing great sorrow in their > train. > > > > 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness of > > the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the > sorrow > > of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling along > the > > sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > From the book, "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" by Sri Muruganar, Sri > Sadhu om Trans. _________ALL-NEW > Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Links > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Dear Alan Thank you. Rgds wai. Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.uk> 06/28/2004 01:10 PM Please respond to RamanaMaharshi RamanaMaharshi cc: Re: [RamanaMaharshi] From the Garland Der Wai , I am not too sure .This was from Sadhu Om's translation .The Mahadevan Translation of V. 80 refers to ' whirling vasanas old' . Regards, Alan --- leesin (AT) uobkayhian (DOT) com wrote: > Dear Alan > > Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in > verse 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. > > > Best regards > wai > > > > > > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > 06/14/2004 09:13 AM > Please respond to RamanaMaharshi > > > ramana maharshi <ramanamaharshi> > cc: > [RamanaMaharshi] From the Garland > > > > > From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" > > > > Part I - The Quest > > > > 4. Barrenness of the World > > > > 78) In reality, there is no intrinsic joy abiding in any of the objects > of > > the world, which itself is conceived by the delusive bewildering mind. > How > > could the besotted mind delude itself into the belief that happiness > abides > > in the objects of the world? > > > > 79) The arrogant and fiendish pleasures, nurtured at present through > the > > available objects will come to naught, bringing great sorrow in their > train. > > > > 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness of > > the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the > sorrow > > of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling along > the > > sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > From the book, "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" by Sri Muruganar, Sri > Sadhu om Trans. > > > > > > > _________ALL-NEW > Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Links > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Links RamanaMaharshi/ RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 --- leesin wrote: > Dear Alan > > Thank you. Rgds wai. Sorry the translation was by Swaminathan not Mahadevan .Regards, Alan Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs > 06/28/2004 01:10 PM > Please respond to RamanaMaharshi > > > RamanaMaharshi > cc: > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] From the Garland > > > Der Wai , > > I am not too sure .This was from Sadhu Om's translation .The Mahadevan > Translation of V. 80 refers > to ' whirling vasanas old' . Regards, Alan > > > > --- leesin wrote: > Dear Alan > > > > Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in > > verse 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. > > > > > > Best regards > > wai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs > > 06/14/2004 09:13 AM > > Please respond to RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > ramana maharshi <ramanamaharshi> > > cc: > > [RamanaMaharshi] From the Garland > > > > > > > > > From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" > > > > > > Part I - The Quest > > > > > > 4. Barrenness of the World > > > > > > 78) In reality, there is no intrinsic joy abiding in any of the > objects > > of > > > the world, which itself is conceived by the delusive bewildering mind. > > > How > > > could the besotted mind delude itself into the belief that happiness > > abides > > > in the objects of the world? > > > > > > 79) The arrogant and fiendish pleasures, nurtured at present through > > the > > > available objects will come to naught, bringing great sorrow in their > > train. > > > > > > 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness > of > > > the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the > > sorrow > > > of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling > along > > the > > > sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > From the book, "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" by Sri Muruganar, Sri > > Sadhu om Trans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________ALL-NEW > > > Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > > Un: RamanaMaharshi > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > ===== > Life is a pure flame,and we live > by an invisible Sun within us. > > > > > > _________ALL-NEW > Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Links > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Wai and Alan, These are said to be three groups of vasanas or pre-dispositions. 1) aparAdha - fault brought about by self-pride and diffidence in the teaching of the Guru, there is misunderstanding, such as 'there is no reality transcending the world; even if there were, it cannot be known; if one caims to know it, it is an illusion of the mind; for how can knowledge make a person free from misery or help his emancipation?' Placing one's faith in the Guru and the Sastras is said to be the solution. 2) karma - action for the victim of past actions the mind becomes bogged down with predispositions, subtle truths become lost. Grace is the solution. 3) kAma - desire Said to be the most common group, this refers to victims of desire always obssessed with the desire to work for this or that end. This sets in motion desires too numerous to count, like waves in the ocean. This must gradually be dealt with by dispassion, discrimination, worship, study, learning from the wise, investigation into Self... (cf. Tripura Rahasya, chapter 19) Regards, Miles --------- > Dear Alan > > Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in verse > 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. > > > Best regards > wai --------- >> From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" >> >> 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness of >> the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the sorrow >> of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling along the >> sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire. >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> -- "ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti That which exists is One; sages call it by various names." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 ---Dear Miles, Thank you for this - most valuable insights .Warm regards, in His Grace, Alan <miles.wright wrote: > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > Dear Wai and Alan, > > These are said to be three groups of vasanas or pre-dispositions. > > 1) aparAdha - fault > > brought about by self-pride and diffidence in the teaching of the Guru, > there is misunderstanding, such as 'there is no reality transcending the > world; even if there were, it cannot be known; if one caims to know it, it > is an illusion of the mind; for how can knowledge make a person free from > misery or help his emancipation?' > > Placing one's faith in the Guru and the Sastras is said to be the solution. > > 2) karma - action > > for the victim of past actions the mind becomes bogged down with > predispositions, subtle truths become lost. > > Grace is the solution. > > 3) kAma - desire > > Said to be the most common group, this refers to victims of desire always > obssessed with the desire to work for this or that end. This sets in motion > desires too numerous to count, like waves in the ocean. > > This must gradually be dealt with by dispassion, discrimination, worship, > study, learning from the wise, investigation into Self... > > (cf. Tripura Rahasya, chapter 19) > > Regards, > Miles > > > --------- > > Dear Alan > > > > Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in verse > > 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. > > > > > > Best regards > > wai > --------- > >> From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" > >> > >> 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness of > >> the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the sorrow > >> of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling along the > >> sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire. > >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > > -- > "ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti > That which exists is One; sages call it by various names." > > ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 In Vivekachudamani Sri Adi Shankaracharya lists the threefold desires or vasanas as: 1. Loka vasana 2. Deha vasana 3. Shastra vasana Lokaanuvartanam tyaktvaa tyaktvaa dehaanuvartanam | shaastraanuvartanam tyaktvaa swaadyaasaapanayam kuru || Loka-anuvartana (to follow worldly ways) - the desire to follow the ways of world, to engage in such activities that pleases and impresses the world, pursuring worldly values, to be recognised by the world by such activities that bestows name and fame, etc. Deha - anuvartana (to pamper the body) - to care too much for the body, acceding to sensual desires, indulgence, etc. Shastra - anuvartana - to blindly follow the scriptures without understanding their purport, to indulge in polemics about scriptures, to engage endlessly in study and acquisition of knowledge of such scriptures that do not help in leading one to Self-enquiry. These threefold desires are said to form the core of one's vasanas. We are instructed to carry out 'swa-adhyasa-apanaya', to uproot self imposed superimposition or break the identity with the world, body and scriptural knowledge through Self enquiry. By turning away from the threefold desires, the desire or love for Self, which is Self itself, surfaces, as it were. While abiding in one's nature, the force of threefold desires are diminished and when the threefold desires are finally extinct, firm Self Abidance reigns. In Bhagavan's Grace, Nagaraja Miles <miles.wright (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote: om namo bhagavate sri ramanayaDear Wai and Alan,These are said to be three groups of vasanas or pre-dispositions.1) aparAdha - fault brought about by self-pride and diffidence in the teaching of the Guru, there is misunderstanding, such as 'there is no reality transcending the world; even if there were, it cannot be known; if one caims to know it, it is an illusion of the mind; for how can knowledge make a person free from misery or help his emancipation?' Placing one's faith in the Guru and the Sastras is said to be the solution.2) karma - action for the victim of past actions the mind becomes bogged down with predispositions, subtle truths become lost. Grace is the solution.3) kAma - desire Said to be the most common group, this refers to victims of desire always obssessed with the desire to work for this or that end. This sets in motion desires too numerous to count, like waves in the ocean.This must gradually be dealt with by dispassion, discrimination, worship, study, learning from the wise, investigation into Self... (cf. Tripura Rahasya, chapter 19)Regards,Miles ---------> Dear Alan > > Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in verse > 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. > > > Best regards > wai --------->> From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" >> >> 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness of>> the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the sorrow>> of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling along the>> sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire.>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>> -- "ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadantiThat which exists is One; sages call it by various names." Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 ---Dear Sri Nagaraja Pani ,thank you .This is very helpful .best wishes , in His Grace, Alan <swayanjata wrote: > Dear Wai, Alan and Miles, > > In Vivekachudamani Sri Adi Shankaracharya lists the threefold desires or vasanas as: > > 1. Loka vasana > 2. Deha vasana > 3. Shastra vasana > > Lokaanuvartanam tyaktvaa tyaktvaa dehaanuvartanam | > shaastraanuvartanam tyaktvaa swaadyaasaapanayam kuru || > > Loka-anuvartana (to follow worldly ways) - the desire to follow the ways of world, to engage in > such activities that pleases and impresses the world, pursuring worldly values, to be recognised > by the world by such activities that bestows name and fame, etc. > > Deha - anuvartana (to pamper the body) - to care too much for the body, acceding to sensual > desires, indulgence, etc. > > Shastra - anuvartana - to blindly follow the scriptures without understanding their purport, to > indulge in polemics about scriptures, to engage endlessly in study and acquisition of knowledge > of such scriptures that do not help in leading one to Self-enquiry. > > These threefold desires are said to form the core of one's vasanas. > > We are instructed to carry out 'swa-adhyasa-apanaya', to uproot self imposed superimposition or > break the identity with the world, body and scriptural knowledge through Self enquiry. By > turning away from the threefold desires, the desire or love for Self, which is Self itself, > surfaces, as it were. > > While abiding in one's nature, the force of threefold desires are diminished and when the > threefold desires are finally extinct, firm Self Abidance reigns. > > In Bhagavan's Grace, > > Nagaraja > > > Miles <miles.wright wrote: > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > Dear Wai and Alan, > > These are said to be three groups of vasanas or pre-dispositions. > > 1) aparAdha - fault > > brought about by self-pride and diffidence in the teaching of the Guru, there is > misunderstanding, such as 'there is no reality transcending the world; even if there were, it > cannot be known; if one caims to know it, it is an illusion of the mind; for how can knowledge > make a person free from misery or help his emancipation?' > > Placing one's faith in the Guru and the Sastras is said to be the solution. > > 2) karma - action > > for the victim of past actions the mind becomes bogged down with predispositions, subtle truths > become lost. > > Grace is the solution. > > 3) kAma - desire > > Said to be the most common group, this refers to victims of desire always obssessed with the > desire to work for this or that end. This sets in motion desires too numerous to count, like > waves in the ocean. > > This must gradually be dealt with by dispassion, discrimination, worship, study, learning from > the wise, investigation into Self... > > (cf. Tripura Rahasya, chapter 19) > > Regards, > Miles > > > --------- > > Dear Alan > > > > Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in verse > > 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. > > > > > > Best regards > > wai > --------- > >> From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" > >> > >> 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness of > >> the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the sorrow > >> of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling along the > >> sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire. > >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > > -- > "ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti > That which exists is One; sages call it by various names." > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Dear Alan, Miles and Nagaraja Thank you very much for sharing your wisdom. I'm most grateful for your help. Best regards wai Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.uk> 06/29/2004 12:52 AM Please respond to RamanaMaharshi RamanaMaharshi cc: Re: [RamanaMaharshi] From the Garland ---Dear Sri Nagaraja Pani ,thank you .This is very helpful .best wishes , in His Grace, Alan <swayanjata (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Wai, Alan and Miles, > > In Vivekachudamani Sri Adi Shankaracharya lists the threefold desires or vasanas as: > > 1. Loka vasana > 2. Deha vasana > 3. Shastra vasana > > Lokaanuvartanam tyaktvaa tyaktvaa dehaanuvartanam | > shaastraanuvartanam tyaktvaa swaadyaasaapanayam kuru || > > Loka-anuvartana (to follow worldly ways) - the desire to follow the ways of world, to engage in > such activities that pleases and impresses the world, pursuring worldly values, to be recognised > by the world by such activities that bestows name and fame, etc. > > Deha - anuvartana (to pamper the body) - to care too much for the body, acceding to sensual > desires, indulgence, etc. > > Shastra - anuvartana - to blindly follow the scriptures without understanding their purport, to > indulge in polemics about scriptures, to engage endlessly in study and acquisition of knowledge > of such scriptures that do not help in leading one to Self-enquiry. > > These threefold desires are said to form the core of one's vasanas. > > We are instructed to carry out 'swa-adhyasa-apanaya', to uproot self imposed superimposition or > break the identity with the world, body and scriptural knowledge through Self enquiry. By > turning away from the threefold desires, the desire or love for Self, which is Self itself, > surfaces, as it were. > > While abiding in one's nature, the force of threefold desires are diminished and when the > threefold desires are finally extinct, firm Self Abidance reigns. > > In Bhagavan's Grace, > > Nagaraja > > > Miles <miles.wright (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote: > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > Dear Wai and Alan, > > These are said to be three groups of vasanas or pre-dispositions. > > 1) aparAdha - fault > > brought about by self-pride and diffidence in the teaching of the Guru, there is > misunderstanding, such as 'there is no reality transcending the world; even if there were, it > cannot be known; if one caims to know it, it is an illusion of the mind; for how can knowledge > make a person free from misery or help his emancipation?' > > Placing one's faith in the Guru and the Sastras is said to be the solution. > > 2) karma - action > > for the victim of past actions the mind becomes bogged down with predispositions, subtle truths > become lost. > > Grace is the solution. > > 3) kAma - desire > > Said to be the most common group, this refers to victims of desire always obssessed with the > desire to work for this or that end. This sets in motion desires too numerous to count, like > waves in the ocean. > > This must gradually be dealt with by dispassion, discrimination, worship, study, learning from > the wise, investigation into Self... > > (cf. Tripura Rahasya, chapter 19) > > Regards, > Miles > > > --------- > > Dear Alan > > > > Could you enlighten me on what are the "threefold desires" mentioned in verse > > 80 of The Garland. Thank you very much. > > > > > > Best regards > > wai > --------- > >> From "The Garland of Guru's Sayings" > >> > >> 80) Only the supreme shade of the tree of the Awakened Consciousness of > >> the transcendental Being can mitigate totally the fierce heat of the sorrow > >> of threefold desires, courted by the beings swirling and whirling along the > >> sweltering heat of the desert of this world-form of desire. > >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > > -- > "ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti > That which exists is One; sages call it by various names." > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Links RamanaMaharshi/ RamanaMaharshi Attachment: (image/gif) [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Dear All: Shri Sadhu Om Swamigal goes one step further from the "vaasanaa- thryaas" (three vasanas), namely , > 1. Loka vasana > 2. Deha vasana > 3. Shastra vasana He says ("Chapter 6 - Saasthra Vaasanai" in Tamil "Sri. Ramana Vazhi - 4th vol.") that out of the three: LOka Vaasanai, Dega Vaasanai and Saasthra Vaasanai, the last Saasthra Vaasanai is the worst. How? He says man's desires can be classified into three: a. uRavaasai (Desire for relationships) (comes from Dehavaasanaa) b. poruLaasai (Desire for possessions) (from Lokavaasanaa) & c. pugazhaasai (Desire for fame and name) (from saasthra vaasanaa) a. will include all relationships starting with spouse, parents, children, relatives, friends, pets etc. and other immoral relationships also.. b. will be wealth, house, property, gold, jewelry etc. etc. and c. starts as a 'simple need to learn' and 'simple need for recognition' but grows so big in no time as a "thirst or longing for fame/name/praises" etc. He further says a. and b. will one day or other get tamed or subdued over time. one may get tired of relationships over time or may become sick and that might result in a distaste or indifference towards them. Bill Gates won't be interested certainly in making another 10, 20 millions or even more. But Shri. Swamigal says, pugazhaasai, which is thirst for fame gets more and more as one obtains more of it and also has the power to veil all weaknesses one may have; add to this the longevity of this kind of desire; till the last breath of man it is likely to linger ('ah, what if I leave my 100 million to a charity, that will seal my name in the history') and tie man for ever to samsaaraa; Shri. Swamigal further says "that is why Shri. Bhagavaan has said 'pugazhchchiyaam vesivasam pukkaar adimai agalavidal ammaa arithu'". (meaning 'if one has fallen for the prostitute-like fame, one is bound to be a slave for a long time and escape is rare') and Shri. Swamigal further emphatically says that 'one branch of pugazhaasai is to know more and more of saasthraas and getting a thirst to display the knowledge to others' I was trying to post less in these forums especially due to this last thought ( a suspision in my ego if I am posting only to display what I have read or if I really, sincerely feel that sharing of what I find to be good is essential)... however it is, here... let me better get back to the 'no-posting-and- simply-listening' mode.... :-) love, Murthy > <swayanjata> wrote: > Dear Wai, Alan and Miles, > > > > In Vivekachudamani Sri Adi Shankaracharya lists the threefold desires or > vasanas as: > > > > 1. Loka vasana > > 2. Deha vasana > > 3. Shastra vasana > > > > Lokaanuvartanam tyaktvaa tyaktvaa dehaanuvartanam | > > shaastraanuvartanam tyaktvaa swaadyaasaapanayam kuru || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Dear Murthy Thank you for sharing. And your suspicion of your ego is quite commendable, I feel. Many posters (including myself) seem to suffer quite a bit from this kind of pride. Fortunately though I have yet to see much of this on this listing. Best rgds wai Dear All: Shri Sadhu Om Swamigal goes one step further from the "vaasanaa- thryaas" (three vasanas), namely , > 1. Loka vasana > 2. Deha vasana > 3. Shastra vasana He says ("Chapter 6 - Saasthra Vaasanai" in Tamil "Sri. Ramana Vazhi - 4th vol.") that out of the three: LOka Vaasanai, Dega Vaasanai and Saasthra Vaasanai, the last Saasthra Vaasanai is the worst. How? He says man's desires can be classified into three: a. uRavaasai (Desire for relationships) (comes from Dehavaasanaa) b. poruLaasai (Desire for possessions) (from Lokavaasanaa) & c. pugazhaasai (Desire for fame and name) (from saasthra vaasanaa) a. will include all relationships starting with spouse, parents, children, relatives, friends, pets etc. and other immoral relationships also.. b. will be wealth, house, property, gold, jewelry etc. etc. and c. starts as a 'simple need to learn' and 'simple need for recognition' but grows so big in no time as a "thirst or longing for fame/name/praises" etc. He further says a. and b. will one day or other get tamed or subdued over time. one may get tired of relationships over time or may become sick and that might result in a distaste or indifference towards them. Bill Gates won't be interested certainly in making another 10, 20 millions or even more. But Shri. Swamigal says, pugazhaasai, which is thirst for fame gets more and more as one obtains more of it and also has the power to veil all weaknesses one may have; add to this the longevity of this kind of desire; till the last breath of man it is likely to linger ('ah, what if I leave my 100 million to a charity, that will seal my name in the history') and tie man for ever to samsaaraa; Shri. Swamigal further says "that is why Shri. Bhagavaan has said 'pugazhchchiyaam vesivasam pukkaar adimai agalavidal ammaa arithu'". (meaning 'if one has fallen for the prostitute-like fame, one is bound to be a slave for a long time and escape is rare') and Shri. Swamigal further emphatically says that 'one branch of pugazhaasai is to know more and more of saasthraas and getting a thirst to display the knowledge to others' I was trying to post less in these forums especially due to this last thought ( a suspision in my ego if I am posting only to display what I have read or if I really, sincerely feel that sharing of what I find to be good is essential)... however it is, here... let me better get back to the 'no-posting-and- simply-listening' mode.... :-) love, Murthy > <swayanjata> wrote: > Dear Wai, Alan and Miles, > > > > In Vivekachudamani Sri Adi Shankaracharya lists the threefold desires or > vasanas as: > > > > 1. Loka vasana > > 2. Deha vasana > > 3. Shastra vasana > > > > Lokaanuvartanam tyaktvaa tyaktvaa dehaanuvartanam | > > shaastraanuvartanam tyaktvaa swaadyaasaapanayam kuru || Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Links RamanaMaharshi/ RamanaMaharshi Attachment: (image/gif) [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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