Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 RAMANA GITA CHAPTER 16. On Bhakti Translation of Prof.K.Swaminathan and Sri Visvanatha Swami 5.& 6 . When the Devotee, regarding himself as a separate, limited individual of poor understanding, and desirous of deliverance from suffering, takes the Omnipresent Supreme Reality to be some deity and worships it, even then he attains in the end 'That' (alone). _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: RAMANA GITA CHAPTER 16. On Bhakti Translation of Prof.K.Swaminathan and Sri Visvanatha Swami 5.& 6 . When the Devotee, regarding himself as a separate, limited individual of poor understanding, and desirous of deliverance from suffering, takes the Omnipresent Supreme Reality to be some deity and worships it, even then he attains in the end 'That' (alone). =========================================== Ramana Gita [Translation and Commentary by AR Natarajan] Chapter 16 `Bhakti' Vs 5 & 6 Even the one who regards himself as being limited in intelligence and different from God, who worships the all pervading Supreme as a particular deity and prays to it for deliverance from suffering attains in the end the Supreme only. Commentary "And what is `Siva-worship' now? Beholding but his glorious presence in elements five, sun, moon, and every living being, each apt response and timely service to these amounts to Siva worship, excellent and ever fresh."* But so long as one regards oneself as a particular name and form, the manifestation of the One Supreme as all names and forms of this variegated universe is not evident. The deity is also regarded as a particular name and form. The question arises whether such particularised worship would lead to the awareness of the all pervading nature of he Supreme? The answer is `yes'. For, the worship of Supreme, in whatever name and form, leads to a vision of its essence.** In time, when devotion ripens, the differences cease, the devotee merges in God the substratum of all existence. [*Sayings from Muruganar's Guruvachaka Kovai – Ramana Maharshi by Swaminathan. **Sat Darshanam V8] ======== anu _________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 all are God> Everything expands from Him. Then there is no question of worshiping..who is the worshipper wnd WHO is the one to be worshipped..all ..no no ..there is no all..there is only one which is God... So our own ignorance "Maya" causes everything..you cannot separate yourself from God... because, you, me..and all are God. Alagesan.(in otherwords God..clarifies this to God) anupadayachi <anupadayachi (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:RAMANA GITA CHAPTER 16. On BhaktiTranslation of Prof.K.Swaminathan and Sri Visvanatha Swami5.& 6 .When the Devotee, regarding himself as a separate, limited individual of poor understanding, anddesirous of deliverance from suffering, takes the Omnipresent Supreme Reality to be some deity andworships it, even then he attains in the end 'That' (alone).===========================================Ramana Gita [Translation and Commentary by AR Natarajan]Chapter 16 `Bhakti'Vs 5 & 6Even the one who regards himself as being limited in intelligence and different from God, who worships the all pervading Supreme as a particular deity and prays to it for deliverance from suffering attains in the end the Supreme only.Commentary"And what is `Siva-worship' now? Beholding but his glorious presence in elements five,sun, moon, and every living being, each apt response and timely service to these amounts to Siva worship, excellent and ever fresh."*But so long as one regards oneself as a particular name and form, themanifestation of the One Supreme as all names and forms of this variegated universe is not evident. The deity is also regarded as a particular name and form.The question arises whether such particularised worship would lead to the awareness of the all pervading nature of he Supreme? The answer is `yes'. For, the worship of Supreme, in whatever name and form, leads to a vision of its essence.** In time, when devotion ripens, the differences cease, the devotee merges in God the substratum of all existence.[*Sayings from Muruganar's Guruvachaka Kovai – Ramaqna Maharshi by Swaminathan. **Sat Darshanam V8]========anu_________ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.Community email addresses: Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaaya: Namaste: "39. Keep advaita within the heart but never carry it into action. Even if you apply it to all the three worlds, O Son! it is not to be applied to the Guru." Supplement to the Forty Verses anbudan john Siva—Siva RamanaMaharshi, Alagesan Palanivelu <alagesan61> wrote: > Dear Anu, > > all are God> Everything expands from Him. Then there is no question of worshiping..who is the worshipper wnd WHO is the one to be worshipped..all ..no no ..there is no all..there is only one which is God... > > > So our own ignorance "Maya" causes everything..you cannot separate yourself from God... > > because, you, me..and all are God. > > Alagesan.(in otherwords God..clarifies this to God) > > > anupadayachi <anupadayachi> wrote: > RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > RAMANA GITA CHAPTER 16. On Bhakti > > Translation of Prof.K.Swaminathan and Sri Visvanatha Swami > > 5.& 6 . > > When the Devotee, regarding himself as a separate, limited > individual of poor understanding, and > desirous of deliverance from suffering, takes the Omnipresent > Supreme Reality to be some deity and > worships it, even then he attains in the end 'That' (alone). > > =========================================== > > Ramana Gita [Translation and Commentary by AR Natarajan] > Chapter 16 `Bhakti' > Vs 5 & 6 > Even the one who regards himself as being limited in intelligence > and different from God, who worships the all pervading Supreme as a > particular deity and prays to it for deliverance from suffering > attains in the end the Supreme only. > > Commentary > > "And what is `Siva-worship' now? Beholding but his glorious presence > in elements five, > sun, moon, and every living being, each apt response and timely > service to these > amounts to Siva worship, excellent and ever fresh."* > > But so long as one regards oneself as a particular name and form, the > manifestation of the One Supreme as all names and forms of this > variegated universe is not evident. The deity is also regarded as a > particular name and form. > The question arises whether such particularised worship would lead > to the awareness of the all pervading nature of he Supreme? The > answer is `yes'. For, the worship of Supreme, in whatever name and > form, leads to a vision of its essence.** In time, when devotion > ripens, the differences cease, the devotee merges in God the > substratum of all existence. > [*Sayings from Muruganar's Guruvachaka Kovai – Ramaqna Maharshi by > Swaminathan. **Sat Darshanam V8] > > ======== > anu > > > _________ALL-NEW > Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > RamanaMaharshi > > Terms of Service. > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Dear Alagesan Thank you for your interesting point of view – which I presume was prompted by my posting of Sri Natarajan's commentary following vs5&6 of Ch 16 of Ramana's Gita. I agree with what you appear to be saying… "you cannot separate yourself from God...because, you, me..and all are God." That is acceptable to the intellect as a goal which we as humans in this world need to be working towards. To presume that one has already experientially arrived at that goal because one understands intellectually the logic of it, is I feel, unwise and will prove in time to be unsound premise to stand on. You say: "So our own ignorance "Maya" causes everything.." I see here a reference to individuals who are ignorant. These individuals, having made that vital acknowledgement, would need to ask, "to whom does that ignorance belong" – and thus proceed towards the goal – as taught by Ramana Maharshi. Best wishes for your spiritual practice. Love anu RamanaMaharshi, Alagesan Palanivelu <alagesan61> wrote: > Dear Anu, > > all are God> Everything expands from Him. Then there is no question of worshiping..who is the worshipper wnd WHO is the one to be worshipped..all ..no no ..there is no all..there is only one which is God... > > > So our own ignorance "Maya" causes everything..you cannot separate yourself from God... > > because, you, me..and all are God. > > Alagesan.(in otherwords God..clarifies this to God) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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