Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 ---Dear Tony, i quite agree with your posting .I have written some notes on Western Neo Advaita for our UK members who d to Self Enquiry .I enclose an edited version .I also have another fuller article on the same topic in the current issue [July] of the Mountain Path which may be of interest .I would welcome your views . Best regards, in his grace , Alan OClery <aoclery wrote: > Namaste, > > It is really impossible to separate Ramana from his Hindu > background. He uses the truths to teach so well. > My problem with w > Western approaches is that everything seems to be reduced to a basic > idea, without bhakti or sadhana. I suppose I was lucky that I was > well into Sanathana Dharma when I came across Ramana in the library. > So I approached it from a more Hindu type point of view. I was into > ritual, bhajans etc etc etc. Was a lead singer in fact. > > The other point that I feel that Westerners do is bring things out > of context to back up some position or even a failing that they > have. We no doubt have all done it but if there is no background of > Hinduism it is a risky road to take. For Ramana insists that advaita > is a bhave in the mind and that the world should be treated > normally. Also one has to examine the context and audience he is > addressing at the time. However I never seen him discount > purification sadhana in place of verbal non dualism. He > emphasises 'effort' of the mind. There is action to complete in the > body also. It is no good saying, 'well I'm not really doing this > non productive behaviour, or it is not I that is benefiting from > something etc etc', one needs to look at Ramana and Advaita as > a 'Way of Life', not a Way of Philosophical > discussion..........ONS..Tony...IMO Western neo Advaita Teachers- An Overview The Neo Advaita Teachers of the Western World, who are often gifted communicators with attractive personalities, are by no means Sages but are still proliferating. I am personally friendly with many of them , and I am sure they are too honest ever to make such a claim and would all agree with this thesis . Their vasanas [inborn accumalated habits and tendencies] are still observably active, and their self-termed awakening experiences are only according to tradition ,the preliminary stages towards an eventual Self Realization in the fullest sense of the term . If they persevere with appropriate Sadhanas they may become Jivan Muktas .The arguement often put against Sadhana by many Teachers,that it strengthens the ego , is false .Surrender and Self Enquiry are designed to undermine and eventually destroy the conditioned and inborn tendencies[vasanas]as well as the narcisistic parts of the Ego .The support practices ,such as meditation , japa, pranayama etc.are there to prepare those whose minds are too restless for Self Enquiry or lack the necessary attention and concentration. Paradoxically the Teachers have all undergone a great deal of spiritual practice. themselves ,without exception.A very necessary preparation,for their temporary experiences.Their sadhanas have happened in this life and possibly also in a previous one., It is not unless through Self Enquiry, Self Surrender and ,if needed, the support practices offered by the Maharshi are continued, that the vasanas and egotistic self-will can be completely burned out and there is Real Liberation as a Jivan Mukti living in the ‘no mind’ Sahaja state. While the vasanas are active the teacher is still living, like the ajnani from Reflected Consciousness and not the Absolute Pure Consciousness of the Sage.They are still teaching from the Mind not living from ‘no mind.The Maharshi was able to teach through Silence , Papaji had immense shakti able to impart a foretaste of awakening to many devotees...some regretably prematurely assumed the right to teach. Having spent some time with Robert Adams I know what a Jnani is .The silence and peace around him was palpable.The ‘mind’ must be trained to become ‘satvic and lose its rajistic and tamastic tendencies .then the satvic mind can surrender to the Self and become ‘no mind I am the Self’ or Self -Realised .I advice western devotees and Teachers to study Robert’s Silence of the Heart Vol 1 to see what the Advaitic teaching adapted to the Western mind truly is . The Contemporary Teachers often adapt their teaching to psychotherapy to meet their audiences demands as they earn their livelihoods by itinerant teaching wherever an audience may be. found.They marginalise Self Enquiry, as either being too difficult or ignore it .At the best it is given in an attenuated form ,radically watering down the complete Teaching . They do hoverver succeed in undermining the sense of personal doership. and teach ‘surrender’ by sleight of hand through terms such as welcoming,embracing,being ok,accepting ‘what is’. etc.These term strip the teaching of its necessary Devotional implications such as are felt by ‘God ‘or the ‘Real Self’. .Devotion is essential to open the Heart..Intellectual understanding alone is arid and leads no where .except ias a precursor to nesessary Sadhana To imply “all is only consciousness so do whatever you like”, is a truncation and even a distortion of the Maharshi’s Great Teachings The injunction to give up spiritual practice is dangerous, as it allows the vasanas full permission to indulge, and leads to a dead -end of Hedonism. or at best a parking space until the next ‘satsang fix’. There is no Grace without effort. One either wants an illusory but comfortable self-calming quietness, or one wants Enlightenment. But sometimes after attending endless teacher’s Satsangs some are led to the Maharshi, to find out what his real teaching truly IS.After attending,as an introduction, many visiting different teachers , they are partially familiarised with many basic Advaita concepts.,.The seeker may then mature to Bhagavan’s Highest Teaching. Modern Western Neo Advaita Teachers do not give an overview of the Advaita Teaching, but only offer fragments from a sporadic question and answer technique, where humour and quick wittedness is sometimes predominant. .. Many are unfamiliar with the totality of Bhagavan’s teaching and are not erudite in this respect.Bhagavan Sri Ramana is the Source of their Teachings,.Many claim his lineage .But hopefully they and their earnest adherents will spritually ripen to the point of Self Realisation through the Maharshi’s Direct Path, and through his guidance which is even now, ever received by ardent devotees. I suppose it is inevitable that when “ Advaita Goes West “, rather as Buddhism did when it left India for China and then Japan, it becomes customised by the dominant culture .Unlike in India where an approach to the Jnana Marga is given in the Bhagavad Gita , a scripture known to all. Hindus. In fact Ramana’s teaching is the Maha Yoga which embraces all the Yogas , Karma,Bhakti , Raja. and Jnana.. The Westerner is a conditioned sceptical ,materialistic ,rationalist ..He tries to get his finite mind around the infinite and finds it confusing.The Western Teachers and Californian Gurus do their best to ease the passage but it is at best a half way house to the Liberation of the Sage. Ramana Maharshi is recognised as a Supreme Guru who sets a Teaching for a millenium .By bringing Self Enquiry to the forefront he gave a new opportunity for those tired of the dream of samsara, and wish to wake up from repetetive suffering.He wanted his teaching to “go West’ hence his appearance to Paul Brunton and Robert Adams in dreams before they even knew who he was .The Western Teaching Phenomenon is part of the plan of Totalitity to introduce Advaita to Westerners , but one hopes it does not stop there , for either the Teachers or the Seekers sake. Alan _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > ---Dear Tony, > > i quite agree with your posting .I have written some notes on Western Neo Advaita for our UK > members who d to Self Enquiry .I enclose an edited version .I also have another fuller > article on the same topic in the current issue [July] of the Mountain Path which may be of > interest .I would welcome your views . > > Best regards, in his grace , Alan > Namaste A, I didn't see much that contradicted what my opinion was. People in this life have no idea what samskaras they had in past lives and might be hindering them. What if they were Stalin, Hitler or Genghis Khan or somebody? That doesn't mean they can't be a monk in this life. My point being that sadhana works on all the samkaras not just the vasanas of the present enbodiment. Lives are like a cartwheel with the 'consciousness in the hub', each spoke is a life being led at the same time, by concentrating on one spoke we live a single life. However all the samkaras of the other lives are there also. Sometimes they bleed through depending on whether the vibrations attract. Just my opinion, and as a result sadhana and purifaction is necessary to reducte the tendencies to the dried seed form. In that way even the above named gentleman could become saints...........ONS..Tony. I don't know whether I have the url of the mountain path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 --Dear Tony , I think we are broadly in agreement .The Mountain Path is sometimes on the Ramana Maharshi Ashram Main Site page at www.ramana-maharshi.org but currently they only have back no's for downloading ..One can write to them at m_path to etc. .It is a First Class Journal with a new Editor and format, full of inspiring articles. regards and best wishes,Alan OClery <aoclery wrote: > RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > > ---Dear Tony, > > > > i quite agree with your posting .I have written some notes on > Western Neo Advaita for our UK > > members who d to Self Enquiry .I enclose an edited > version .I also have another fuller > > article on the same topic in the current issue [July] of the > Mountain Path which may be of > > interest .I would welcome your views . > > > > Best regards, in his grace , Alan > > > > Namaste A, > > I didn't see much that contradicted what my opinion was. People in > this life have no idea what samskaras they had in past lives and > might be hindering them. What if they were Stalin, Hitler or Genghis > Khan or somebody? That doesn't mean they can't be a monk in this > life. My point being that sadhana works on all the samkaras not just > the vasanas of the present enbodiment. > > Lives are like a cartwheel with the 'consciousness in the hub', each > spoke is a life being led at the same time, by concentrating on one > spoke we live a single life. However all the samkaras of the other > lives are there also. Sometimes they bleed through depending on > whether the vibrations attract. Just my opinion, and as a result > sadhana and purifaction is necessary to reducte the tendencies to > the dried seed form. In that way even the above named gentleman > could become saints...........ONS..Tony. I don't know whether I have > the url of the mountain path. > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > > ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Dear Alan: Enjoyed reading your article on the neo advaita teachers. If you are so inclined and the copyright permits, it would be welcome on the HS website. The new issue is under construction and we are considering a change in format as well. Love to all Harsha --- Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > ---Dear Tony, > > i quite agree with your posting .I have written some > notes on Western Neo Advaita for our UK > members who d to Self Enquiry .I enclose an > edited version .I also have another fuller > article on the same topic in the current issue > [July] of the Mountain Path which may be of > interest .I would welcome your views . > > Best regards, in his grace , Alan > > OClery <aoclery wrote: > Namaste, > > > > It is really impossible to separate Ramana from > his Hindu > > background. He uses the truths to teach so well. > > My problem with w > > Western approaches is that everything seems to be > reduced to a basic > > idea, without bhakti or sadhana. I suppose I was > lucky that I was > > well into Sanathana Dharma when I came across > Ramana in the library. > > So I approached it from a more Hindu type point of > view. I was into > > ritual, bhajans etc etc etc. Was a lead singer in > fact. > > > > The other point that I feel that Westerners do is > bring things out > > of context to back up some position or even a > failing that they > > have. We no doubt have all done it but if there is > no background of > > Hinduism it is a risky road to take. For Ramana > insists that advaita > > is a bhave in the mind and that the world should > be treated > > normally. Also one has to examine the context and > audience he is > > addressing at the time. However I never seen him > discount > > purification sadhana in place of verbal non > dualism. He > > emphasises 'effort' of the mind. There is action > to complete in the > > body also. It is no good saying, 'well I'm not > really doing this > > non productive behaviour, or it is not I that is > benefiting from > > something etc etc', one needs to look at Ramana > and Advaita as > > a 'Way of Life', not a Way of Philosophical > > discussion..........ONS..Tony...IMO > > Western neo Advaita Teachers- An Overview > > The Neo Advaita Teachers of the Western World, who > are often gifted > communicators with attractive > personalities, are by no means Sages but are still > proliferating. I am > personally friendly with > many of them , and I am sure they are too honest > ever to make such a > claim and would all agree > with this thesis . Their vasanas [inborn accumalated > habits and > tendencies] are still observably > active, and their self-termed awakening experiences > are only according > to tradition ,the > preliminary stages towards an eventual Self > Realization in the fullest > sense of the term . If > they persevere with appropriate Sadhanas they may > become Jivan > Muktas .The arguement often put > against Sadhana by many Teachers,that it > strengthens the ego , is > false .Surrender and Self > Enquiry are designed to undermine and eventually > destroy the > conditioned and inborn > tendencies[vasanas]as well as the narcisistic parts > of the Ego .The > support practices ,such as > meditation , japa, pranayama etc.are there to > prepare those whose minds > are too restless for Self > Enquiry or lack the necessary attention and > concentration. > Paradoxically the Teachers have all > undergone a great deal of spiritual practice. > themselves ,without > exception.A very necessary > preparation,for their temporary experiences.Their > sadhanas have happened in this > life and possibly also in > a previous one., It is not unless through Self > Enquiry, Self > Surrender and ,if needed, the > support practices offered by the Maharshi are > continued, that the > vasanas and egotistic self-will > can be completely burned out and there is Real > Liberation as a > Jivan Mukti living in the ‘no > mind’ Sahaja state. While the vasanas are active the > teacher is still > living, like the ajnani from > Reflected Consciousness and not the Absolute Pure > Consciousness of > the Sage.They are still > teaching from the Mind not living from ‘no mind.The > Maharshi was able > to teach through Silence , > Papaji had immense shakti able to impart a foretaste > of awakening to > many devotees...some > regretably prematurely assumed the right to teach. > > Having spent some time with Robert Adams I know what > a Jnani is .The > silence and peace around him > was palpable.The ‘mind’ must be trained to become > ‘satvic and lose its > rajistic and tamastic > tendencies .then the satvic mind can surrender to > the Self and become > ‘no mind I am the Self’ or > Self -Realised .I advice western devotees and > Teachers to study Robert’s > Silence of the Heart Vol 1 to > see what the Advaitic teaching adapted to the > Western mind truly is . > > The Contemporary Teachers often adapt their teaching > to psychotherapy > to meet their audiences > demands as they earn their livelihoods by itinerant > teaching wherever > an audience may be. > found.They marginalise Self Enquiry, as either > being too difficult or > ignore it .At the best it > is given in an attenuated form ,radically watering > down the complete > Teaching . They do hoverver > succeed in undermining the sense of personal > doership. and teach > ‘surrender’ by sleight of hand > through terms such as welcoming,embracing,being > ok,accepting ‘what is’. > etc.These term strip the > teaching of its necessary Devotional implications > such as are felt by > ‘God ‘or the ‘Real > Self’. .Devotion is essential to open the > Heart..Intellectual > understanding alone is arid and > leads no where .except ias a precursor to nesessary > Sadhana To imply > “all is only consciousness so > do whatever you like”, is a truncation and even a > distortion of the > Maharshi’s Great Teachings > The injunction to give up spiritual practice is > dangerous, as it allows > the vasanas full > permission to indulge, and leads to a dead -end of > Hedonism. or at best > a parking space until the > next ‘satsang fix’. There is no Grace without > effort. One either > wants an illusory but > comfortable self-calming quietness, or one wants > Enlightenment. > > But sometimes after attending endless teacher’s > Satsangs some are led > to the Maharshi, to find > out what his real teaching truly IS.After > attending,as an > introduction, many visiting different > teachers , they are partially familiarised with > many basic Advaita > concepts.,.The seeker may > then mature to Bhagavan’s Highest Teaching. Modern > Western Neo Advaita > Teachers do not give an > overview of the Advaita Teaching, but only offer > fragments from a > sporadic question and answer > technique, where humour and quick wittedness is > sometimes predominant. > . Many are unfamiliar with > the totality of Bhagavan’s teaching and are not > erudite in this > respect.Bhagavan Sri Ramana is the > === message truncated === ===== /join New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 --Dear Harsha , Thanks .I am so glad you like my article .It is not undercopyright- I am delighted for you to use it on your web site. Every best wish , in his grace, Alan Jacobs Chair Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK <harshaimtm wrote: > Dear Alan: > > Enjoyed reading your article on the neo advaita > teachers. If you are so inclined and the copyright > permits, it would be welcome on the HS website. The > new issue is under construction and we are considering > a change in format as well. > > Love to all > Harsha > > --- Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > ---Dear Tony, > > > > i quite agree with your posting .I have written some > > notes on Western Neo Advaita for our UK > > members who d to Self Enquiry .I enclose an > > edited version .I also have another fuller > > article on the same topic in the current issue > > [July] of the Mountain Path which may be of > > interest .I would welcome your views . > > > > Best regards, in his grace , Alan > > > > OClery <aoclery wrote: > Namaste, > > > > > > It is really impossible to separate Ramana from > > his Hindu > > > background. He uses the truths to teach so well. > > > My problem with w > > > Western approaches is that everything seems to be > > reduced to a basic > > > idea, without bhakti or sadhana. I suppose I was > > lucky that I was > > > well into Sanathana Dharma when I came across > > Ramana in the library. > > > So I approached it from a more Hindu type point of > > view. I was into > > > ritual, bhajans etc etc etc. Was a lead singer in > > fact. > > > > > > The other point that I feel that Westerners do is > > bring things out > > > of context to back up some position or even a > > failing that they > > > have. We no doubt have all done it but if there is > > no background of > > > Hinduism it is a risky road to take. For Ramana > > insists that advaita > > > is a bhave in the mind and that the world should > > be treated > > > normally. Also one has to examine the context and > > audience he is > > > addressing at the time. However I never seen him > > discount > > > purification sadhana in place of verbal non > > dualism. He > > > emphasises 'effort' of the mind. There is action > > to complete in the > > > body also. It is no good saying, 'well I'm not > > really doing this > > > non productive behaviour, or it is not I that is > > benefiting from > > > something etc etc', one needs to look at Ramana > > and Advaita as > > > a 'Way of Life', not a Way of Philosophical > > > discussion..........ONS..Tony...IMO > > > > Western neo Advaita Teachers- An Overview > > > > The Neo Advaita Teachers of the Western World, who > > are often gifted > > communicators with attractive > > personalities, are by no means Sages but are still > > proliferating. I am > > personally friendly with > > many of them , and I am sure they are too honest > > ever to make such a > > claim and would all agree > > with this thesis . Their vasanas [inborn accumalated > > habits and > > tendencies] are still observably > > active, and their self-termed awakening experiences > > are only according > > to tradition ,the > > preliminary stages towards an eventual Self > > Realization in the fullest > > sense of the term . If > > they persevere with appropriate Sadhanas they may > > become Jivan > > Muktas .The arguement often put > > against Sadhana by many Teachers,that it > > strengthens the ego , is > > false .Surrender and Self > > Enquiry are designed to undermine and eventually > > destroy the > > conditioned and inborn > > tendencies[vasanas]as well as the narcisistic parts > > of the Ego .The > > support practices ,such as > > meditation , japa, pranayama etc.are there to > > prepare those whose minds > > are too restless for Self > > Enquiry or lack the necessary attention and > > concentration. > > Paradoxically the Teachers have all > > undergone a great deal of spiritual practice. > > themselves ,without > > exception.A very necessary > > preparation,for their temporary experiences.Their > > sadhanas have happened in this > > life and possibly also in > > a previous one., It is not unless through Self > > Enquiry, Self > > Surrender and ,if needed, the > > support practices offered by the Maharshi are > > continued, that the > > vasanas and egotistic self-will > > can be completely burned out and there is Real > > Liberation as a > > Jivan Mukti living in the ‘no > > mind’ Sahaja state. While the vasanas are active the > > teacher is still > > living, like the ajnani from > > Reflected Consciousness and not the Absolute Pure > > Consciousness of > > the Sage.They are still > > teaching from the Mind not living from ‘no mind.The > > Maharshi was able > > to teach through Silence , > > Papaji had immense shakti able to impart a foretaste > > of awakening to > > many devotees...some > > regretably prematurely assumed the right to teach. > > > > Having spent some time with Robert Adams I know what > > a Jnani is .The > > silence and peace around him > > was palpable.The ‘mind’ must be trained to become > > ‘satvic and lose its > > rajistic and tamastic > > tendencies .then the satvic mind can surrender to > > the Self and become > > ‘no mind I am the Self’ or > > Self -Realised .I advice western devotees and > > Teachers to study Robert’s > > Silence of the Heart Vol 1 to > > see what the Advaitic teaching adapted to the > > Western mind truly is . > > > > The Contemporary Teachers often adapt their teaching > > to psychotherapy > > to meet their audiences > > demands as they earn their livelihoods by itinerant > > teaching wherever > > an audience may be. > > found.They marginalise Self Enquiry, as either > > being too difficult or > > ignore it .At the best it > > is given in an attenuated form ,radically watering > > down the complete > > Teaching . They do hoverver > > succeed in undermining the sense of personal > > doership. and teach > > ‘surrender’ by sleight of hand > > through terms such as welcoming,embracing,being > > ok,accepting ‘what is’. > > etc.These term strip the > > teaching of its necessary Devotional implications > > such as are felt by > > ‘God ‘or the ‘Real > > Self’. .Devotion is essential to open the > > Heart..Intellectual > > understanding alone is arid and > > leads no where .except ias a precursor to nesessary > > Sadhana To imply > > “all is only consciousness so > > do whatever you like”, is a truncation and even a > > distortion of the > > Maharshi’s Great Teachings > > The injunction to give up spiritual practice is > > dangerous, as it allows > > the vasanas full > > permission to indulge, and leads to a dead -end of > > Hedonism. or at best > > a parking space until the > > next ‘satsang fix’. There is no Grace without > > effort. One either > > wants an illusory but > > comfortable self-calming quietness, or one wants > > Enlightenment. > > > > But sometimes after attending endless teacher’s > > Satsangs some are led > > to the Maharshi, to find > > out what his real teaching truly IS.After > > attending,as an > > introduction, many visiting different > > teachers , they are partially familiarised with > > many basic Advaita > > concepts.,.The seeker may > > then mature to Bhagavan’s Highest Teaching. Modern > > Western Neo Advaita > > Teachers do not give an > > overview of the Advaita Teaching, but only offer > > fragments from a > > sporadic question and answer > > technique, where humour and quick wittedness is > > sometimes predominant. > > . Many are unfamiliar with > > the totality of Bhagavan’s teaching and are not > > erudite in this > > respect.Bhagavan Sri Ramana is the > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > > ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 ---Dear Peter, Thanks for your opinion which I value as you are a Professional Psychologist ..Ramana's teaching is to me the Ultimate Therapy ; Neo Advaita is a temporary palliative with therapeutic elements.That's my view anyway for what it is worth. warm regards, in His grace, Alan M <nous07.theos wrote: > Dear Alan, > > > > Thank you so much for your article. For me it felt like a breath of fresh > air. I say this as my professional background is in psychotherapy and > transpersonal psychology. As such I have listened to neo-teachers of all > kinds of spiritual traditions. It has been my growing concern over many > years that within such 'professions' there is a tendency to 'psychologise > the spiritual'. Yet is has always seemed to me that value of sadhana, the > spiritual path, is that it 'spiritualises the psychological'. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Peter > > > > > Alan Jacobs [alanadamsjacobs] > 26 July 2004 22:23 > RamanaMaharshi > [RamanaMaharshi] Division in cultural understanding. > > > > <snip> > > The Contemporary Teachers often adapt their teaching to psychotherapy > to meet their audiences > demands as they earn their livelihoods by itinerant teaching wherever > an audience may be. > found.They marginalise Self Enquiry, as either being too difficult or > ignore it .At the best it > is given in an attenuated form ,radically watering down the complete > Teaching . > > <snip> > > ===== Life is a pure flame,and we live by an invisible Sun within us. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Alan, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thank you so much for your article. For me it felt like a breath of fresh air. I say this as my professional background is in psychotherapy and transpersonal psychology. As such I have listened to neo-teachers of all kinds of spiritual traditions. It has been my growing concern over many years that within such ‘professions’ there is a tendency to ‘psychologise the spiritual’. Yet is has always seemed to me that value of sadhana, the spiritual path, is that it ‘spiritualises the psychological’. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">best wishes, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Peter 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> -----Original Message----- Alan Jacobs [alanadamsjacobs (AT) (DOT) co.uk] 26 July 2004 22:23 RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] Division in cultural understanding. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><snip> The Contemporary Teachers often adapt their teaching to psychotherapy to meet their audiences demands as they earn their livelihoods by itinerant teaching wherever an audience may be. found.They marginalise Self Enquiry, as either being too difficult or ignore it ..At the best it is given in an attenuated form ,radically watering down the complete Teaching . 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 “Ramana's teaching is to me the Ultimate Therapy” 12.0pt"> Yes, exactly. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">regards, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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