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We are all part of the same Atman. This sameness can only be experienced.Please

maintain silence and the answer can only be experienced.This starts with OM.

Shri Ramana Maharishi's presence enabled us all to see the subtle nature of the

obvious.Maharishi was separate yet we are part of him. Lord Hanuman was separate

yet he was part of Lord Rama. This the point of this afirmation prayer.When

there is an act it is always separate but when silence is maintained there is

no division in the act.

 

Hope I have helped you uunderstand yourself better

 

Ravi Sankar

 

 

 

Ravi SankarAvril Sanya <avrilsanya > wrote:

revathi ravisankar <revathiravisankar (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sir

 

This is a mantra called Mantra Pushpam which means flower mantra.Basically what

it means is that even when atom is broken it is still an atom.This had been

confirmed scientifically that there is possiblity of being able to clone a

person using the persons DNA. Our forefathers new and had knowledge of this.How

do we explain Ravanas ten heads in Ramayana.He had ten clones of Himself so that

Rama had a tough time to Kill him.

 

This mantra is not meditation mantra but an affirmation prayer on the the

greatness of the supreme self.To remind everyone that all of us are part of the

supreme self.

 

 

There is no us, to be separate to anything.

 

Or be part of anything.

 

 

Love

 

Avril

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:-)

 

 

revathi ravisankar <revathiravisankar (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Avril

 

We are all part of the same Atman.

 

No.

 

There is no "we" to be part of anything.

 

There is only that-which-is, call it by whatever terms.

 

Even the affirmation, there is only that-which-is, is a corruption.

 

 

 

 

This sameness can only be experienced.

 

All experiences, no matter how profound, appears in duality.

And means nothing.

 

 

 

Please maintain silence and the answer can only be experienced.

 

:-)

Silence cannot be maintained.

 

Yes all answers are an experience.

 

And worth nothing.

 

 

 

This starts with OM.

 

Nothing starts with OM.

 

Nothing ends with OM.

 

There is only OM and thus there is not even the affirming of OM.

 

 

 

Shri Ramana Maharishi's presence enabled us all to see the subtle nature of the

obvious.Maharishi was separate yet we are part of him.

 

Ramana was never separate.

 

To you, as a sense of separated entity, a physical form labeled Ramana appears separated.

 

 

 

Lord Hanuman was separate yet he was part of Lord Rama.

 

There was neither a discrete entity labeled Hanuman, or Rama or Ramana.

 

Or Ravi Shankar either.:-)

 

There is only the play of the Self, expressing itself in the moment, as such images.

 

 

This the point of this afirmation prayer.When there is an act it is always

separate but when silence is maintained there is no division in the act.

 

 

Silence cannot be maintained.

 

Silence is the very absence of the concept of non-silence as well as the absence

of the concept of silence.

 

 

No act is separate.

 

If this is not understood, nothing has been understood.

 

Every act, whatever be its form, shape, content or consequent effect, is a

movement of that-which-is-movement.

 

Which is also, in a notional sense.

 

For even, that-which-is-movement is an inference.

 

 

 

Hope I have helped you uunderstand yourself better

 

LOL

 

Thank you.

 

 

Love Avril

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Dear Avril,

 

I have nothing more to say on this subject.May God grace you in your endeavour.I

can only guide based on my practical experience.So experience and find answer

for yourself from Bhagavan Ramana. He will reply to you and guide you in the

correct path.Maintain Silence. Your destiny will be your experience.

 

Ravi Sankar

Lusaka,Zambia

Avril Sanya <avrilsanya > wrote:

Dear Ravi Shankar,

 

:-)

 

 

revathi ravisankar <revathiravisankar (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Avril

 

We are all part of the same Atman.

 

No.

 

There is no "we" to be part of anything.

 

There is only that-which-is, call it by whatever terms.

 

Even the affirmation, there is only that-which-is, is a corruption.

 

 

 

 

This sameness can only be experienced.

 

All experiences, no matter how profound, appears in duality.

And means nothing.

 

 

 

Please maintain silence and the answer can only be experienced.

 

:-)

Silence cannot be maintained.

 

Yes all answers are an experience.

 

And worth nothing.

 

 

 

This starts with OM.

 

Nothing starts with OM.

 

Nothing ends with OM.

 

There is only OM and thus there is not even the affirming of OM.

 

 

 

Shri Ramana Maharishi's presence enabled us all to see the subtle nature of the

obvious.Maharishi was separate yet we are part of him.

 

Ramana was never separate.

 

To you, as a sense of separated entity, a physical form labeled Ramana appears separated.

 

 

 

Lord Hanuman was separate yet he was part of Lord Rama.

 

There was neither a discrete entity labeled Hanuman, or Rama or Ramana.

 

Or Ravi Shankar either.:-)

 

There is only the play of the Self, expressing itself in the moment, as such images.

 

 

This the point of this afirmation prayer.When there is an act it is always

separate but when silence is maintained there is no division in the act.

 

 

Silence cannot be maintained.

 

Silence is the very absence of the concept of non-silence as well as the absence

of the concept of silence.

 

 

No act is separate.

 

If this is not understood, nothing has been understood.

 

Every act, whatever be its form, shape, content or consequent effect, is a

movement of that-which-is-movement.

 

Which is also, in a notional sense.

 

For even, that-which-is-movement is an inference.

 

 

 

Hope I have helped you uunderstand yourself better

 

LOL

 

Thank you.

 

 

Love Avril

 

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font-family:Verdana;color:blue">Thank you for this reminder. It was helpful today.

font-family:Verdana;color:blue">I am quite new to this egroup, so hello. I am enjoying

this play of the Self, of all that is. Words about all that is and silence are so

strange!

font-family:Verdana;color:blue">Joy

 

revathi ravisankar [revathiravisankar (AT) (DOT) co.uk]

13 October 2004 07:12

RamanaMaharshi

Re: Reply:

[RamanaMaharshi] surrender

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Avril,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I have nothing more to say on this subject.May God grace you in your

endeavour.I can only guide based on my practical experience.So experience

and find answer for yourself from Bhagavan Ramana. He will reply to you and

guide you in the correct path.Maintain

Silence. Your destiny will be your experience.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Ravi Sankar

12.0pt">Lusaka,Zambia

12.0pt">

Avril Sanya

<avrilsanya > wrote:

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Dear Ravi Shankar,

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:-)

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

revathi ravisankar

<revathiravisankar (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Avril

12.0pt">

12.0pt">We are all part of the same Atman.

12.0pt">

No.

12.0pt">

There is no "we" to be part of

anything.

12.0pt">

There is only that-which-is, call it by

whatever terms.

12.0pt">

Even the affirmation, there is only

that-which-is, is a corruption.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt"> This sameness can only be experienced.

12.0pt">

All experiences, no matter how profound,

appears in duality.

And means nothing.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Please maintain silence and the answer can only be experienced.

12.0pt">

:-)

Silence cannot be maintained.

12.0pt">

Yes all answers are an experience.

12.0pt">

And worth nothing.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">This starts with OM.

12.0pt">

Nothing starts with OM.

12.0pt">

Nothing ends with OM.

12.0pt">

There is only OM and thus there is not

even the affirming of OM.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt"> Shri Ramana Maharishi's presence enabled us all to see the subtle

nature of the obvious.Maharishi was separate yet we are part of him.

12.0pt">

Ramana was never separate.

12.0pt">

To you, as a sense of separated entity,

a physical form labeled Ramana appears separated.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt"> Lord Hanuman was separate yet he was part of Lord Rama.

12.0pt">

There was neither a discrete entity

labeled Hanuman, or Rama or Ramana.

12.0pt">

Or Ravi Shankar either.:-)

12.0pt">

There is only the play of the Self,

expressing itself in the moment, as such images.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">This the point of this afirmation prayer.When there is an act it is

always separate but when silence is maintained there is no division in the act.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Silence cannot be maintained.

12.0pt">

Silence is the very absence of the

concept of non-silence as well as the absence of the concept of silence.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

No act is separate.

12.0pt">

If this is not understood, nothing has

been understood.

12.0pt">

Every act, whatever be its form,

shape, content or consequent effect, is a movement of that-which-is-movement.

12.0pt">

Which is also, in a notional sense.

12.0pt">

For even, that-which-is-movement is an

inference.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Hope I have helped you uunderstand yourself better

12.0pt">

LOL

12.0pt">

Thank you.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Love Avril

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Avril,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">You could not get better advice that you

are getting now.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Maintain silence in humility. Actually,

you can talk also, but its good to be humble and not engage in one upmanship.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Pray earnestly to Bhagavan and you will be

guided.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Love,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Harsha

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">revathi

ravisankar [revathiravisankar (AT) (DOT) co.uk]

Wednesday, October 13, 2004

2:12 AM

RamanaMaharshi

Re: Reply:

[RamanaMaharshi] surrender

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Avril,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I have nothing more to say on this subject.May God grace you in your

endeavour.I can only guide based on my practical experience.So experience

and find answer for yourself from Bhagavan Ramana. He will reply to you and

guide you in the correct path.Maintain

Silence. Your destiny will be your experience.

12.0pt">

Ravi Sankar

Lusaka,Zambia

12.0pt">

Avril Sanya <avrilsanya >

wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Dear Ravi

Shankar,

12.0pt">

:-)

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

revathi ravisankar

<revathiravisankar (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Avril

12.0pt">

12.0pt">We are all part of the same Atman.

12.0pt">

No.

12.0pt">

There is no "we" to be part of

anything.

12.0pt">

There is only that-which-is, call it by

whatever terms.

12.0pt">

Even the affirmation, there is only

that-which-is, is a corruption.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt"> This sameness can only be experienced.

12.0pt">

All experiences, no matter how profound,

appears in duality.

And means nothing.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Please maintain silence and the answer can only be experienced.

12.0pt">

:-)

Silence cannot be maintained.

12.0pt">

Yes all answers are an experience.

12.0pt">

And worth nothing.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">This starts with OM.

12.0pt">

Nothing starts with OM.

12.0pt">

Nothing ends with OM.

12.0pt">

There is only OM and thus there is not

even the affirming of OM.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt"> Shri Ramana Maharishi's presence enabled us all to see the subtle

nature of the obvious.Maharishi was separate yet we are part of him.

12.0pt">

Ramana was never separate.

12.0pt">

To you, as a sense of separated entity,

a physical form labeled Ramana appears separated.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt"> Lord Hanuman was separate yet he was part of Lord Rama.

12.0pt">

There was neither a discrete entity

labeled Hanuman, or Rama or Ramana.

12.0pt">

Or Ravi Shankar either.:-)

12.0pt">

There is only the play of the Self,

expressing itself in the moment, as such images.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">This the point of this afirmation prayer.When there is an act it is

always separate but when silence is maintained there is no division in the act.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Silence cannot be maintained.

12.0pt">

Silence is the very absence of the

concept of non-silence as well as the absence of the concept of silence.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

No act is separate.

12.0pt">

If this is not understood, nothing has

been understood.

12.0pt">

Every act, whatever be its form,

shape, content or consequent effect, is a movement of that-which-is-movement.

12.0pt">

Which is also, in a notional sense.

12.0pt">

For even, that-which-is-movement is an

inference.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Hope I have helped you uunderstand yourself better

12.0pt">

LOL

12.0pt">

Thank you.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Love Avril

12.0pt">

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wrote:

Dear Avril,

 

You could not get better advice that you are getting now.

 

:-)

Your opinion noted.

 

 

Maintain silence in humility.

 

 

Do you have any clue what you are talking about?

 

You cannot be in humility.

You cannot cultivate humility.

You cannot attain or reach humility.

 

Humility is the absence of arrogance and the absence of humbleness.

 

"You" and humility cannot co-exist.

 

And that is why humility is the very absence of the concept of humility.

 

The innocence of an infant lies precisely in the fact that infant has no concept

of being or not being innocent.

 

 

 

 

Actually, you can talk also, but its good to be humble

 

:-)

 

I know Harsha it is difficult but try to see what is being pointed.

 

 

 

and not engage in one upmanship.

 

Suggest re-read what you have written and try to see what is being expressed.

 

That a post is seen as one-upmanship, is what you bring to the post.

 

 

 

Pray earnestly to Bhagavan and you will be guided.

 

:-)

 

What and no thithe to Harsha?

 

LOL

 

 

Dear Harsha, have you not got anything of what Ramana was/is about?

 

Love

 

Avril

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LOL! :-).

 

Take it easy Avril.

 

Love,

Harsha

 

-

"Avril Sanya" <avrilsanya

<RamanaMaharshi>

Friday, October 15, 2004 12:19 PM

RE: Reply: [RamanaMaharshi] surrender

 

 

> Dear Harsha,

>

>

> Harsha wrote:

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> Dear Avril,

>

>

>

> You could not get better advice that you are getting now.

>

>

>

> :-)

>

> Your opinion noted.

>

>

>

>

>

> Maintain silence in humility.

>

>

>

>

>

> Do you have any clue what you are talking about?

>

>

>

> You cannot be in humility.

>

> You cannot cultivate humility.

>

> You cannot attain or reach humility.

>

>

>

> Humility is the absence of arrogance and the absence of humbleness.

>

>

>

> "You" and humility cannot co-exist.

>

>

>

> And that is why humility is the very absence of the concept of humility.

>

>

>

> The innocence of an infant lies precisely in the fact that infant has no

> concept of being or not being innocent.

>

>

>

Actually, you can talk also, but its good to be humble

>

>

>

> :-)

>

>

>

> I know Harsha it is difficult but try to see what is being pointed.

>

and not engage in one upmanship.

>

>

>

> Suggest re-read what you have written and try to see what is being

> expressed.

>

>

>

> That a post is seen as one-upmanship, is what you bring to the post.

>

Pray earnestly to Bhagavan and you will be guided.

>

>

>

> :-)

>

>

>

> What and no thithe to Harsha?

>

>

>

> LOL

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Harsha, have you not got anything of what Ramana was/is about?

>

>

>

> Love

>

>

>

> Avril

>

>

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revathi ravisankar <revathiravisankar (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Avril,

 

I have nothing more to say on this subject.

 

OK.

That's perfectly fine.

 

 

May God grace you in your endeavour.I can only guide based on my practical

experience.So experience and find answer for yourself from Bhagavan Ramana. He

will reply to you and guide you in the correct path.Maintain Silence. Your

destiny will be your experience.

 

 

LOL

 

So you had lots to say after you had nothing to say.

 

Since you did have to say,

 

I can only guide based on my practical experience.

 

:-)

 

If there is a need to guide, then an "other" still exists.

 

The belief in an "other", infers the entity "me-Ravi".

 

And nothing as yet, has been realized..

 

 

 

So experience and find answer for yourself from Bhagavan Ramana

 

The essence of Ramana was not to provide you Ravi Shankar or anybody with answers.

 

It was/is to invite the ascertaining of who is it, to whom the question was of relevance.

 

No answer, any answer, no matter from whom it is coming, ends the question.

 

Maintain Silence

 

Yes you have been roting this maintainence business.

 

Who is to maintain this silence?

 

In the presence of the "striver-to-maintain" this self-conceived ideation of

silence, can there be any silence?

 

The very idea that silence is something to be maintained, suggests it can or has been lost.

 

Silence is not a state within time, which comes and goes, something which starts and ends.

 

It appears you have taken it to be something like a durational experience.

 

 

When silence strikes, it erases even silence.

 

 

 

Your destiny will be your experience.

 

LOL

 

Your destiny?

Whose destiny?

Is there any separated self to have a destiny?

 

Your experience?

Whose experience?

Is there any separated self to have any experience?

 

Go back to Ramana 101.

 

 

I have nothing more to say on this subject,

 

Yes, because "you" have not and will not ever meet silence.

 

Or will ever be able to surrender, if and when surrender ever happens.

 

 

Love

 

Avril

 

 

 

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:-)

 

Can dish it but cannot take it, eh dear Harsha?

 

How about easing the utter nonsense you have been spouting.

 

LOL

 

 

Love

 

Avril

 

 

wrote:

LOL! :-).Take it easy Avril.Love,Harsha- "Avril

Sanya" <avrilsanya ><RamanaMaharshi>Friday,

October 15, 2004 12:19 PMRE: Reply: [RamanaMaharshi] surrender> Dear

Harsha,>>> wrote:> v\:*

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{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape >

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }> Dear

Avril,>>>> You could not get better advice that you are getting now.>>>> :-)>>

Your opinion noted.>>>>>> Maintain silence in humility.>>>>>> Do

you have any clue what you are talking about?>>>> You cannot be in humility.>>

You cannot cultivate humility.>> You cannot attain or reach humility.>>>>

Humility is the absence of arrogance and the absence of humbleness.>>>> "You"

and humility cannot co-exist.>>>> And that is why humility is the very absence

of the concept of humility.>>>> The innocence of an infant lies precisely in

the fact that infant has no > concept of being or not being innocent.>>>>>>>>>>

Actually, you can talk also, but its good to be humble>>>> :-)>>>> I know

Harsha it is difficult but try to see what is being pointed.>>>>>>>> and not

engage in one upmanship.>>>> Suggest re-read what you have written and try to

see what is being > expressed.>>>> That a post is seen as one-upmanship, is

what you bring to the post.>>>>>>>> Pray earnestly to Bhagavan and you will be

guided.>>>> :-)>>>> What and no thithe to Harsha?>>>> LOL>>>>>> Dear Harsha,

have you not got anything of what Ramana was/is about?>>>> Love>>>> Avril>

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Dear Avril:

 

You are pretty funny. Calm down.

 

This is not a competition or a fight.

 

Just step back and take a deep breath.

 

No need to take yourself and things so seriously.

 

Seriousness warps the mind! :-).

 

Lots of love

Harsha

 

 

-

"Avril Sanya" <avrilsanya

<RamanaMaharshi>

Friday, October 15, 2004 1:26 PM

Re: Reply: [RamanaMaharshi] surrender

 

 

>

> :-)

>

> Can dish it but cannot take it, eh dear Harsha?

>

> How about easing the utter nonsense you have been spouting.

>

> LOL

>

>

> Love

>

> Avril

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:-)

 

What to do Harsha, you leave me breathless with your wisdom.

 

However its time to now spare the List, your comedy act.

 

So spout something and have the last word.

 

 

 

 

 

Love

 

Avril

 

 

 

wrote:

Dear Avril:You are pretty funny. Calm down.This is not a competition or a

fight.Just step back and take a deep breath.No need to take yourself and things

so seriously. Seriousness warps the mind! :-).Lots of loveHarsha----- Original

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<RamanaMaharshi>Friday, October 15, 2004 1:26 PMSubject:

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Avril:

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">This is a list of Bhagavan’s

devotees. We are all friends here.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Get a good night’s rest.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Love,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Avril Sanya

[avrilsanya ]

Friday, October 15, 2004

2:36 PM

RamanaMaharshi

Re: Reply:

[RamanaMaharshi] surrender

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12.0pt">Dear Harsha,

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12.0pt">What to do Harsha, you leave me breathless with your wisdom.

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12.0pt">However its time to now spare the List, your comedy act.

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12.0pt">So spout something and have the last word.

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12.0pt">Love

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12.0pt">Avril

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Harsha

<harsha (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

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Dear Avril:

You are pretty funny. Calm down.

This is not a competition or a fight.

Just step back and take a deep breath.

No need to take yourself and things so seriously.

Seriousness warps the mind! :-).

Lots of love

Harsha

-

"Avril Sanya"

<avrilsanya >

<RamanaMaharshi>

Friday, October 15, 2004 1:26 PM

Re: Reply: [RamanaMaharshi] surrender

>

> :-)

>

> Can dish it but cannot take it, eh dear

Harsha?

>

> How about easing the utter nonsense you have

been spouting.

>

> LOL

>

>

> Love

>

> Avril

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