Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Let us assume there are two types of languages. The first type of language is used “internally” for thoughts, words. Since everything is “internal” let us assume that a thought is nothing but a word. This internal language is a verbal-language, or thought-language. A verbal-language can only tell us about thoughts, words. A verbal-language cannot tell us anything about no-thoughts, no-words, no-language. And if a verbal-language cannot tell us about a no-language it can certainly not tell us anything about a verbal-black-hole. The Hindus discovered this limitation of verbal-languages five-thousand years ago. They could not use their verbal-language to tell us what their unified-field of “verbal-black-hole” was. The best they could do is use their verbal-language and point to this “verbal-black-hole” which they called Atman. The second type of language the mind projects outside -- like the language of physics and its energy, and computers and their electricity. These projected languages are different from internal verbal-languages in that they give us their “no-language.” They give us their black-holes. When all energy is gone in physics we have a black-hole. A computer has digital code which is its language. When you turn the electricity off the digital code vanishes and you have a digital-black-hole. When the computer is turned on the digital-black-hole appears to vanish. The Hindus did not have imaginary energy fields and electricity to understand that when these are turned off it leaves a “black-hole” – Atman, Samadhi. Put the two types of languages together and you have “reality” that is simply a verbal-black-hole. Verbal-language is nothing more than a verbal-field that keeps everything created out of words, thoughts “real.” When this verbal-field is turned off we have the no-language, the verbal-black-hole, dreamless-sleep that the Hindus called Atman, Samadhi, Kundalini, Nirvana. Where have I gone wrong? GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya namaste, No, that seems about right...'I', indeed, creates such judgements as dumbness and/or clarity etc. Thank you for your analogy. > Let us assume there are two types of languages. The first type of language is > used “internally” for thoughts, words. Since everything is “internal” let us > assume that a thought is nothing but a word. However, there is no need to assume anything. This is the very problem. Brahman, which is without a beginning and an end, and celebrated as neither more, nor less, than One, is the essence of language. It remains with neither sequence nor form. The threefold (or fourfold, etc. - depending on commentator) divisions are mere impositions. Although undifferentiated it appears as differentiated, merely through its own denotative potential, while all the time the One, the seed of all, to whom, paradoxically, this multiplicity appears to belong, remains as the enjoyer, that which is enjoyed and, indeed, the enjoyment. Traditionally, the three divisions described [by Bhartrhari and other Grammarians], are, vaikharI (gross speech - spoken and unspoken), madhyamA (pre-sequential but formative) and paSyanti (essential/Silent). These can be resolved by means of Atma Vichara. PaSyanti has been used as a synonym for Self or Atman. But paSyanti is far from being a black hole. The root of the word is 'paS' - 'see clearly, look on, experience, shining etc.'. The manifestation of speech is quite simply the manifestation of Sakti (and its various divisions such as prana, cit etc.). Sakti, as language, carries the borrowed denotative potential. This borrowed light of paSyantI is assumed to divide (like light through a prism). This ego-prism must abandon its assumption of separation from the Self and, retracing its steps, merge in its source. Retracing its steps the ego does not find a black-hole, but rather that which was obstructing true vision quite simply falls away. Black-hole seems to be analogous to the Sanskrit terms 'SUnya' or 'laya', both of which have been used to describe the pitfall of 'blankness'. > The Hindus discovered this limitation of verbal-languages five-thousand years > ago. They could not use their verbal-language to tell us what their > unified-field of “verbal-black-hole” was. The best they could do is use their > verbal-language and point to this “verbal-black-hole” which they called Atman. Not sure what you mean by 'Hindus' here. The term Hindu seems to refer to such a wide range of philosophcal systems. In fact, the Grammarians were so sure that Language, or its Science, was a darsaNa that they were bold enough to say that the science of the Grammar, and the word, was the 'dvAram apavargasya...' (Doorway to Liberation). In SabdapUrvayoga (the esoteric science of vyAkaraNa) one learns to stand at the Door at all times. Kind Regards, Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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