Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Beyond yoga > > Q: Can we not see God in concrete visions? > > M: Yes, the concrete form may be seen, but it is still in the devotee1s own > mind. The form and appearance of the God manifestation are determined by > the mentality of the devotee, but this has the sense of duality and is not > the finality. It is like a dream vision. After God is perceived, vichara > (inquiry) commences and ends in the realization of the Self. Vichara is > the final method. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > From the book, "Conscious Immortality" by Paul Brunton and Munagala > Venkataramiah, published by Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai, South India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 On Nov 15, 2004, at 17:22, nama siva wrote: > > Ok > For your information > let me mention my group name in which i have presented > the images in photos section > spiritualneed/ > namasivayam > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > wrote: > >> Thats great! >> >> >> >> On Nov 15, 2004, at 02:10, nama siva wrote: >> >>> >>> yes you are right >>> because i never draw a picture before that >>> namasivayam >>> --- christiane cameron <christianecameron >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Namasivayam, >>>> >>>> that sounds a bit like you are having >> inspirations >>>> for works of art? >>>> Correct me if I am wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> chris >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 13, 2004, at 02:23, nama siva wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Chris, >>>>> Unlike others i never find any God/Goddesses. >>>>> Most of them in abstract >>>>> I put them allin the net and have a group in >> >>>>> namasivayam >>>>> --- christiane cameron >> <christianecameron >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Namshivayam,, >>>>>> >>>>>> spiritual visions are an indication that the >> mind >>>> is >>>>>> getting more >>>>>> satvic. They give the seeker the reassurance >> of >>>>>> being on the right >>>>>> track and urge us on to continue with our >>>> sadhana. >>>>>> In Ramana Maharshi's >>>>>> Mahayoga we do not seek out visions. They are >>>> part >>>>>> of the mind, from >>>>>> the subtle mind, but the mind and not the Self. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I had a vision of my Lord Shiva some years >>>> ago >>>>>> after doing japa >>>>>> before, I felt that I was doing the right >> thing, >>>> I >>>>>> felt loved, special >>>>>> and protected. >>>>>> See this sentence of mine - I felt loved and >>>>>> protected and even >>>>>> special. So apart from urging me on, this >> vision >>>>>> also fed the spiritual >>>>>> ego and here lies a pitfall, too. Your ego can >>>>>> become strong because >>>>>> you might feel special because of the visions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So, my recommendation is to value what you get >>>> from >>>>>> the visions, leave >>>>>> it at that and find out who it is that has the >>>>>> visions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm regards >>>>>> chris >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 12, 2004, at 11:07, nama siva wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear chris, >>>>>>> Ok >>>>>>> but my inner feels that the visions are having >>>>>> some >>>>>>> meanimg. >>>>>>> Three years back i happened to read >>>> THIRUMANTHIRM >>>>>>> I felt that some verses communicating certain >>>>>> images >>>>>>> which are i have earlier drawn . >>>>>>> namasivayam >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- christiane cameron >>>> <christianecameron >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Namsivayam, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the reason why we do not place importance on >>>>>>>> visions is that they are >>>>>>>> impermanent, they come and go. We are >>>> interested >>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the eternal never >>>>>>>> changing Self. Someone told Bhagawan that he >>>>>>>> sometimes saw Lord Krshna. >>>>>>>> Bhagawan asked him what the use of a God is, >>>> that >>>>>>>> keeps disappearing. >>>>>>>> In Mahayoga we are rejecting everything other >>>>>> than >>>>>>>> Self, as only the >>>>>>>> Self is permanent and every other phenomenon >>>>>> comes >>>>>>>> and goes, is >>>>>>>> fleeting. For your sadhana that means, you >> have >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> hold on to the never >>>>>>>> changing witness of these visions, as >> Gabriele >>>>>> also >>>>>>>> pointed out. Seek >>>>>>>> the one who is having the visions? Hold on to >>>> the >>>>>>>> feeling of pure being >>>>>>>> consciousness and let the visions rise and >>>> fall. >>>>>> The >>>>>>>> witness will be >>>>>>>> the same, you'll find. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visions are there to keep us going in our >>>>>> sadhana. >>>>>>>> No more and no less. >>>>>>>> I have had many visions and they make nice >>>>>> memories. >>>>>>>> But they are of no >>>>>>>> value in themselves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Om Arunachala Shiva >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2004, at 23:51, gabriele ebert >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Namasivayam, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There will be no answer to your question ... >>>> or >>>>>>>> many answers can be >>>>>>>>> found ... >>>>>>>>> Some may have visions ... other don't have >> ... >>>>>> yet >>>>>>>> the meditator is >>>>>>>>> always the same. >>>>>>>>> It may not be so important if there are >>>> visions >>>>>> or >>>>>>>> not ... >>>>>>>>> And if any surely one should not spend the >>>> time >>>>>>>> in counting them. >>>>>>>>> This would be absurd. >>>>>>>>> This is like you are going through a street >>>> and >>>>>>>> count what you are >>>>>>>>> seeing. >>>>>>>>> It may be a playful entertainment at times >>>>>> though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bhagavan advices to cling to the meditator, >>>> not >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the visions. >>>>>>>>> The one who meditates is always there. This >> is >>>>>>>> good, isn't it? So one >>>>>>>>> needs neither care >>>>>>>>> if visions nor if no visions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some say, visions may happen when meditation >>>>>>>> reaches a certain debth >>>>>>>>> or is done intently. But here >>>>>>>>> someone else - more experienced - should >> then >>>>>>>> answer. >>>>>>>>> I myself had one vision-like experience once >>>>>> only >>>>>>>> ... which had to do >> > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. > www. > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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