Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 i'm also terminally ill. could you please tell me how old this person is and how long they may be likely to live? i think that may make a difference in what you'd want to say to them. bax = In a message dated 11/30/2004 5:00:23 AM Central Standard Time, seekerawake writes: Dear friends,I have a question which I am not sure if I can ask in this forum.What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are terminally ill and those who will not be able to survive for more than few months?Ramana answers similar questions by asking the questioner to find out 'Who am I' ?The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does not seem to have enough time to find his real source following this method. I may be wrong but, you members of this community know a lot more. I request youto please share your thoughts on such a situation.Best Regards, A seeker. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion Toolbar.Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!Click Here!--~-> Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: RamanaMaharshi/<*> To from this group, send an email to: RamanaMaharshi<*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Dear Friends: Not sure what Shri. Bhagavaan's advice was, but I think naamasmaranaa (or internal chanting of name of Lord or Guru) is the easiest, yet most potent weapon to use at this situation. (Shri. Bhagavaan recommended this to a devotee (who said he did not get the visions of His form anymore) saying "remembering the name is superior to remembering the form"); Regardless of age, condition, one can remember the name internally even without opening/moving their lips; nor they need to worry about the meaning or the right or wrong of it...; as the intensity of the smaranaa increases even their physical misery, if any, will lighten up. if they are Shri. Bhagavaan's devotee, what other name than Shri. Bhagavaan's will be more appropriate? love and pray Shri. Bhagavaan gives them the peace of mind. Murthy RamanaMaharshi, bax8352@a... wrote: > i'm also terminally ill. could you please tell me how old this person is and > how long they may be likely to live? i think that may make a difference in > what you'd want to say to them. > > bax > > = > > > In a message dated 11/30/2004 5:00:23 AM Central Standard Time, > seekerawake@g... writes: > > > Dear friends, > I have a question which I am not sure if I can ask in this forum. > > What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are terminally ill and > those who will not be able to > survive for more than few months? > > Ramana answers similar questions by asking the questioner to find > out 'Who am I' ? > > The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does not seem to have > enough time to find his real source > following this method. I may be wrong but, you members of this > community know a lot more. I request you > to please share your thoughts on such a situation. > > Best Regards, > A seeker. > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear 'Seeker', > I have a question which I am not sure if I can ask in this forum. Where is the harm! > What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are terminally ill and > those who will not be able to survive for more than few months? > Ramana answers similar questions by asking the questioner to find > out 'Who am I' ? This is surely sage advice. This advice should be taken. > The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does not seem to have > enough time to find his real source following this method. The 'I' that believes such things is the very 'I' that is to be enquired into. Enquiry takes no time. Whoever entertains the thought that it takes a long time or a short time is surely a fool to themselves. At the point of death the ego kicks furiously and asserts its presence. But to one who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to enquire, immediately, into this upstart. We are told in Bhagavad Gita and elsewhere that the thought at time of death is all important. Through practice of Self-enquiry, during life, the final thoughts at time of death are automatically expunged. Of this, there is absolutely no doubt! Ghandy: I went to Ramana Maharshi and asked him how to get rid of my periodic mental depression. He responded, 'Try to know first who is asking the question: Who are you?' I said that I could not understand that philosophy. Then he advised: 'If one cannot follow that method, then the other way is self-surrender.' That I could understand. I saw an old woman weeping on account of the death of her son. The Maharshi at once changed the trend of the conversation and asked her to surrender herself to him so that he could wipe away her sorrows. The next day I found her coming with a smiling face. This surrender I understand, but not your Vedanta. I can understand it intellectually but I cannot actualize it. Gurudas Maharaj: You don't believe in it. If you could have such belief, you should have no difficulty. If intellectually you could grasp it, as you say, then go beyond it by neti, neti [not this -- not this]. Finally what remains is the Atman, your own Self. (Atman Alone Abides, Sri Ramakrishna Math, Madras; p.217-8) --- The Vedas ... are eloquent in 'neti' - 'neti' (not this not this) and then remain silent. Their silence is the Real State. This is the meaning of exposition by silence. When the source of the 'I'-thought is reached it vanishes and what remains over is the Self. (from Talks; 130) Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Friend in Ramana, it is never too late to start Self Inquiry. Self is not something to be gained only to be revealed. Should the person in question find Vichara not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name or of the Ishta Devata is the next best option. It will quiet the mind, calm fears and help against unwanted thoughts at the all important time of death. If the person is unable to read, maybe a relative or friend can read to him about Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also helps along with a meditative athmosphere in the room to prepare the mind for transition. Om Arunachala Shiva Chris On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > > > Dear 'Seeker', > > > > I have a question which I am not sure if I can ask in this forum. > > > Where is the harm! > > > > What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are terminally ill and > > those who will not be able to survive for more than few months? > > Ramana answers similar questions by asking the questioner to find > > out 'Who am I' ? > > > This is surely sage advice. This advice should be taken. > > > > The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does not seem to have > > enough time to find his real source following this method. > > > The 'I' that believes such things is the very 'I' that is to be > enquired into. > Enquiry takes no time. Whoever entertains the thought that it takes a > long time or a short time is surely a fool to themselves. At the point > of death the ego kicks furiously and asserts its presence. But to one > who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to enquire, immediately, into > this upstart. We are told in Bhagavad Gita and elsewhere that the > thought at time of death is all important. Through practice of > Self-enquiry, during life, the final thoughts at time of death are > automatically expunged. Of this, there is absolutely no doubt! > > > Ghandy: I went to Ramana Maharshi and asked him how to get rid of my > periodic mental depression. He responded, 'Try to know first who is > asking the question: Who are you?' I said that I could not understand > that philosophy. Then he advised: 'If one cannot follow that method, > then the other way is self-surrender.' That I could understand. I saw > an old woman weeping on account of the death of her son. The Maharshi > at once changed the trend of the conversation and asked her to > surrender herself to him so that he could wipe away her sorrows. The > next day I found her coming with a smiling face. This surrender I > understand, but not your Vedanta. I can understand it intellectually > but I cannot actualize it. > > Gurudas Maharaj: You don't believe in it. If you could have such > belief, you should have no difficulty. If intellectually you could > grasp it, as you say, then go beyond it by neti, neti [not this -- not > this]. Finally what remains is the Atman, your own Self. > > (Atman Alone Abides, Sri Ramakrishna Math, Madras; p.217-8) > --- > > The Vedas ... are eloquent in 'neti' - 'neti' (not this not this) > and then remain silent. Their silence is the Real State. This is the > meaning of exposition by silence. When the source of the 'I'-thought > is reached it vanishes and what remains over is the Self. (from Talks; > 130) > > > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > Miles > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > Sponsor > > > <111704_1104_g_300250a.gif> > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > RamanaMaharshi/ > > • > RamanaMaharshi > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Seeker, > What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are terminally ill and > those who will not be able to survive for more than few months? > > Ramana answers similar questions by asking the questioner to find > out 'Who am I' ? > > The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does not seem to have > enough time to find his real source following this method. I may be > wrong but, you members of this community know a lot more. I request > you to please share your thoughts on such a situation. As you may know, Bhagavan himself had a terminal illness. I would strongly recommend reading closely various accounts by devotees on how he handled the last year of his life. It is a shining example of how to live in the face of physical death. Bhagavan once described the body itself as a disease. G. V. Subbaramayya noted the following discussion with Bhagavan, ============= "On January 14th, 1950, at noon, with special permission I went to take leave of Sri Bhagavan and broke down completely. Sri Bhagavan called me close to him and asked me to touch the affected arm. He graciously consoled me saying: "Don't worry. It will go. As it came, so it will go. The body itself is a disease, which may be termed Sthoulyam (grossness). The subtle Spirit is encumbered with this lump of flesh called the body. The body is dead even while the man is alive, for it is but insentient matter. Only the spirit gives it an appearance of life and activity. . . . You people talk of the tumour and name it Sarcoma Cancer. But believe me when I tell you that in my view there is no tumour, nor Sarcoma Cancer at all." "Sri Bhagavan's vital energy was being sapped and his body appeared very weak and anaemic. However, his face and look did not betray the least trace of pain and suffering, but on the other hand glowed all the more with grace." ============== We are all terminally ill. For most of us, the disease is just progressing more slowly and we rarely experience a sense of urgency. To actually know that life will be short can be a great blessing and opportunity. During these last months, one's attention has to be placed upon something. It will either be externally upon thoughts/feelings/sensory experiences, or internally upon one's own being. What better place for the attention than to put it upon one's own being, and dive into our eternally living Source? If you have any other questions please share them with the group here or privately. Love and Peace always... David M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear two members, the question has actually already been answered - yet I want to encourage you not to think about the time-factor too much. In a serious situation atma vichara may become even more forcefully if one is absolutely sure about this practice and trust completely the Guru, who adviced. It is never too late to start - and also never too early ... May Bhagavan Ramana bless all devotees Gabriele - bax8352 (AT) aol (DOT) com RamanaMaharshi Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:18 PM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ramana's advice to the terminally ill. i'm also terminally ill. could you please tell me how old this person is and how long they may be likely to live? i think that may make a difference in what you'd want to say to them. bax = In a message dated 11/30/2004 5:00:23 AM Central Standard Time, seekerawake writes: Dear friends,I have a question which I am not sure if I can ask in this forum.What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are terminally ill and those who will not be able to survive for more than few months?Ramana answers similar questions by asking the questioner to find out 'Who am I' ?The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does not seem to have enough time to find his real source following this method. I may be wrong but, you members of this community know a lot more. I request youto please share your thoughts on such a situation.Best Regards, A seeker. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion Toolbar.Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!Click Here!--~-> Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: RamanaMaharshi/<*> To from this group, send an email to: RamanaMaharshi<*> Your Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 >It will quiet the mind, calm fears and help against unwanted thoughts at the all important time of death.< Could you tell me where is mind? The entire humanity is searching for it I hope you will reply namasivayam --- christiane cameron <christianecameron rote: > Dear Friend in Ramana, > > > it is never too late to start Self Inquiry. Self is > not something to be > gained only to be revealed. Should the person in > question find Vichara > not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name or of the > Ishta Devata is the > next best option. It will quiet the mind, calm fears > and help against > unwanted thoughts at the all important time of > death. If the person is > unable to read, maybe a relative or friend can read > to him about > Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also helps along > with a meditative > athmosphere in the room to prepare the mind for > transition. > > Om Arunachala Shiva > > Chris > > On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > > > > > > > Dear 'Seeker', > > > > > > > I have a question which I am not sure if I can > ask in this forum. > > > > > > Where is the harm! > > > > > > > What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are > terminally ill and > > > those who will not be able to survive for more > than few months? > > > Ramana answers similar questions by asking the > questioner to find > > > out 'Who am I' ? > > > > > > This is surely sage advice. This advice should be > taken. > > > > > > > The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does > not seem to have > > > enough time to find his real source following > this method. > > > > > > The 'I' that believes such things is the very 'I' > that is to be > > enquired into. > > Enquiry takes no time. Whoever entertains the > thought that it takes a > > long time or a short time is surely a fool to > themselves. At the point > > of death the ego kicks furiously and asserts its > presence. But to one > > who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to enquire, > immediately, into > > this upstart. We are told in Bhagavad Gita and > elsewhere that the > > thought at time of death is all important. Through > practice of > > Self-enquiry, during life, the final thoughts at > time of death are > > automatically expunged. Of this, there is > absolutely no doubt! > > > > > > Ghandy: I went to Ramana Maharshi and asked him > how to get rid of my > > periodic mental depression. He responded, 'Try to > know first who is > > asking the question: Who are you?' I said that I > could not understand > > that philosophy. Then he advised: 'If one cannot > follow that method, > > then the other way is self-surrender.' That I > could understand. I saw > > an old woman weeping on account of the death of > her son. The Maharshi > > at once changed the trend of the conversation and > asked her to > > surrender herself to him so that he could wipe > away her sorrows. The > > next day I found her coming with a smiling face. > This surrender I > > understand, but not your Vedanta. I can understand > it intellectually > > but I cannot actualize it. > > > > Gurudas Maharaj: You don't believe in it. If you > could have such > > belief, you should have no difficulty. If > intellectually you could > > grasp it, as you say, then go beyond it by neti, > neti [not this -- not > > this]. Finally what remains is the Atman, your own > Self. > > > > (Atman Alone Abides, Sri Ramakrishna Math, > Madras; p.217-8) > > --- > > > > The Vedas ... are eloquent in 'neti' - 'neti' > (not this not this) > > and then remain silent. Their silence is the Real > State. This is the > > meaning of exposition by silence. When the source > of the 'I'-thought > > is reached it vanishes and what remains over is > the Self. (from Talks; > > 130) > > > > > > > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > > Miles > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > > Subscribe: > RamanaMaharshi- > > Un: > RamanaMaharshi > > List owner: > RamanaMaharshi-owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <111704_1104_g_300250a.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Links > > > > • > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > > • To from this group, send an email > to: > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > • Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. > Kovalam/Kerala > contact: christianecameron > The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Namashivayam, I don't know what the whole of humanity is searching for. mInd is nothing but thoughts that is what Maharshi teaches for all who care to learn Om Arunachala Shiva Christiane On Dec 2, 2004, at 02:17, nama siva wrote: > >> It will quiet the mind, calm fears and help against > unwanted thoughts at the all important time of death.< > > > Could you tell me where is mind? > The entire humanity is searching for it > I hope you will reply > namasivayam > > > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > rote: > >> Dear Friend in Ramana, >> >> >> it is never too late to start Self Inquiry. Self is >> not something to be >> gained only to be revealed. Should the person in >> question find Vichara >> not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name or of the >> Ishta Devata is the >> next best option. It will quiet the mind, calm fears >> and help against >> unwanted thoughts at the all important time of >> death. If the person is >> unable to read, maybe a relative or friend can read >> to him about >> Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also helps along >> with a meditative >> athmosphere in the room to prepare the mind for >> transition. >> >> Om Arunachala Shiva >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: >> >>> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear 'Seeker', >>> >>> >>>> I have a question which I am not sure if I can >> ask in this forum. >>> >>> >>> Where is the harm! >>> >>> >>>> What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are >> terminally ill and >>>> those who will not be able to survive for more >> than few months? >>>> Ramana answers similar questions by asking the >> questioner to find >>>> out 'Who am I' ? >>> >>> >>> This is surely sage advice. This advice should be >> taken. >>> >>> >>>> The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does >> not seem to have >>>> enough time to find his real source following >> this method. >>> >>> >>> The 'I' that believes such things is the very 'I' >> that is to be >>> enquired into. >>> Enquiry takes no time. Whoever entertains the >> thought that it takes a >>> long time or a short time is surely a fool to >> themselves. At the point >>> of death the ego kicks furiously and asserts its >> presence. But to one >>> who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to enquire, >> immediately, into >>> this upstart. We are told in Bhagavad Gita and >> elsewhere that the >>> thought at time of death is all important. Through >> practice of >>> Self-enquiry, during life, the final thoughts at >> time of death are >>> automatically expunged. Of this, there is >> absolutely no doubt! >>> >>> >>> Ghandy: I went to Ramana Maharshi and asked him >> how to get rid of my >>> periodic mental depression. He responded, 'Try to >> know first who is >>> asking the question: Who are you?' I said that I >> could not understand >>> that philosophy. Then he advised: 'If one cannot >> follow that method, >>> then the other way is self-surrender.' That I >> could understand. I saw >>> an old woman weeping on account of the death of >> her son. The Maharshi >>> at once changed the trend of the conversation and >> asked her to >>> surrender herself to him so that he could wipe >> away her sorrows. The >>> next day I found her coming with a smiling face. >> This surrender I >>> understand, but not your Vedanta. I can understand >> it intellectually >>> but I cannot actualize it. >>> >>> Gurudas Maharaj: You don't believe in it. If you >> could have such >>> belief, you should have no difficulty. If >> intellectually you could >>> grasp it, as you say, then go beyond it by neti, >> neti [not this -- not >>> this]. Finally what remains is the Atman, your own >> Self. >>> >>> (Atman Alone Abides, Sri Ramakrishna Math, >> Madras; p.217-8) >>> --- >>> >>> The Vedas ... are eloquent in 'neti' - 'neti' >> (not this not this) >>> and then remain silent. Their silence is the Real >> State. This is the >>> meaning of exposition by silence. When the source >> of the 'I'-thought >>> is reached it vanishes and what remains over is >> the Self. (from Talks; >>> 130) >>> >>> >>> >>> Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, >>> Miles >>> >>> >>> Post message: RamanaMaharshi >>> Subscribe: >> RamanaMaharshi- >>> Un: >> RamanaMaharshi >>> List owner: >> RamanaMaharshi-owner >>> >>> Shortcut URL to this page: >>> >> http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sponsor >>> >>> >>> <111704_1104_g_300250a.gif> >>> <l.gif> >>> >>> Links >>> >>> • >>> RamanaMaharshi/ >>> >>> • To from this group, send an email >> to: >>> RamanaMaharshi >>> >>> • Your use of is subject to the >> Terms of >>> Service. >>> >>> >> Monsoonhouse Int. >> Kovalam/Kerala >> contact: christianecameron >> > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. 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Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Seeker, I would suggest book by Zen Roshi Phillip Kapleau 'The Zen of Living and Dying: A Practical and Spiritual Guide' http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1570621985/qid= 1102019176/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-8278025-2369515?v=glance&s=books Best wishes, Nikolai RamanaMaharshi, "seekerawake" < seekerawake@g...> wrote: > > Dear friends, > I have a question which I am not sure if I can ask in this forum. > > What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are terminally ill and > those who will not be able to > survive for more than few months? > > Ramana answers similar questions by asking the questioner to find > out 'Who am I' ? > > The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe does not seem to have > enough time to find his real source > following this method. I may be wrong but, you members of this > community know a lot more. I request you > to please share your thoughts on such a situation. > > Best Regards, > A seeker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 I am sorry i never read anybodys saying But the only thing iam doing is thinking My view Mind is universe namasivayam --- christiane cameron <christianecameron wrote: > Dear Namashivayam, > > I don't know what the whole of humanity is searching > for. > > mInd is nothing but thoughts > > that is what Maharshi teaches for all who care to > learn > > Om Arunachala Shiva > > Christiane > > > On Dec 2, 2004, at 02:17, nama siva wrote: > > > > >> It will quiet the mind, calm fears and help > against > > unwanted thoughts at the all important time of > death.< > > > > > > Could you tell me where is mind? > > The entire humanity is searching for it > > I hope you will reply > > namasivayam > > > > > > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > > rote: > > > >> Dear Friend in Ramana, > >> > >> > >> it is never too late to start Self Inquiry. Self > is > >> not something to be > >> gained only to be revealed. Should the person in > >> question find Vichara > >> not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name or of > the > >> Ishta Devata is the > >> next best option. It will quiet the mind, calm > fears > >> and help against > >> unwanted thoughts at the all important time of > >> death. If the person is > >> unable to read, maybe a relative or friend can > read > >> to him about > >> Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also helps > along > >> with a meditative > >> athmosphere in the room to prepare the mind for > >> transition. > >> > >> Om Arunachala Shiva > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: > >> > >>> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear 'Seeker', > >>> > >>> > >>>> I have a question which I am not sure if I can > >> ask in this forum. > >>> > >>> > >>> Where is the harm! > >>> > >>> > >>>> What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are > >> terminally ill and > >>>> those who will not be able to survive for more > >> than few months? > >>>> Ramana answers similar questions by asking the > >> questioner to find > >>>> out 'Who am I' ? > >>> > >>> > >>> This is surely sage advice. This advice should > be > >> taken. > >>> > >>> > >>>> The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe > does > >> not seem to have > >>>> enough time to find his real source following > >> this method. > >>> > >>> > >>> The 'I' that believes such things is the very > 'I' > >> that is to be > >>> enquired into. > >>> Enquiry takes no time. Whoever entertains the > >> thought that it takes a > >>> long time or a short time is surely a fool to > >> themselves. At the point > >>> of death the ego kicks furiously and asserts its > >> presence. But to one > >>> who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to > enquire, > >> immediately, into > >>> this upstart. We are told in Bhagavad Gita and > >> elsewhere that the > >>> thought at time of death is all important. > Through > >> practice of > >>> Self-enquiry, during life, the final thoughts at > >> time of death are > >>> automatically expunged. Of this, there is > >> absolutely no doubt! > >>> > >>> > >>> Ghandy: I went to Ramana Maharshi and asked him > >> how to get rid of my > >>> periodic mental depression. He responded, 'Try > to > >> know first who is > >>> asking the question: Who are you?' I said that I > >> could not understand > >>> that philosophy. Then he advised: 'If one cannot > >> follow that method, > >>> then the other way is self-surrender.' That I > >> could understand. I saw > >>> an old woman weeping on account of the death of > >> her son. The Maharshi > >>> at once changed the trend of the conversation > and > >> asked her to > >>> surrender herself to him so that he could wipe > >> away her sorrows. The > >>> next day I found her coming with a smiling face. > >> This surrender I > >>> understand, but not your Vedanta. I can > understand > >> it intellectually > >>> but I cannot actualize it. > >>> > >>> Gurudas Maharaj: You don't believe in it. If you > >> could have such > >>> belief, you should have no difficulty. If > >> intellectually you could > >>> grasp it, as you say, then go beyond it by neti, > >> neti [not this -- not > >>> this]. Finally what remains is the Atman, your > own > >> Self. > >>> > >>> (Atman Alone Abides, Sri Ramakrishna Math, > >> Madras; p.217-8) > >>> --- > >>> > >>> The Vedas ... are eloquent in 'neti' - 'neti' > >> (not this not this) > >>> and then remain silent. Their silence is the > Real > >> State. This is the > >>> meaning of exposition by silence. When the > source > >> of the 'I'-thought > >>> is reached it vanishes and what remains over is > >> the Self. (from Talks; > >>> 130) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > >>> Miles > >>> > >>> > >>> Post message: RamanaMaharshi > >>> Subscribe: > >> RamanaMaharshi- > >>> Un: > >> RamanaMaharshi > >>> List owner: > >> RamanaMaharshi-owner > >>> > >>> Shortcut URL to this page: > >>> > >> > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > >>> > >>> > === message truncated === Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Dear Namshivayam, universe gets created by the mind, by thinking thoughts. This is not reading about "anybody's saying" this is about reading and learning from Maharshi Ramana. And thinking just creates more universe. Om Arunachala Shiva Chris On Dec 3, 2004, at 02:42, nama siva wrote: > > I am sorry i never read anybodys saying > But the only thing iam doing is thinking > My view > Mind is universe > namasivayam > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > wrote: > >> Dear Namashivayam, >> >> I don't know what the whole of humanity is searching >> for. >> >> mInd is nothing but thoughts >> >> that is what Maharshi teaches for all who care to >> learn >> >> Om Arunachala Shiva >> >> Christiane >> >> >> On Dec 2, 2004, at 02:17, nama siva wrote: >> >>> >>>> It will quiet the mind, calm fears and help >> against >>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time of >> death.< >>> >>> >>> Could you tell me where is mind? >>> The entire humanity is searching for it >>> I hope you will reply >>> namasivayam >>> >>> >>> --- christiane cameron <christianecameron >>> rote: >>> >>>> Dear Friend in Ramana, >>>> >>>> >>>> it is never too late to start Self Inquiry. Self >> is >>>> not something to be >>>> gained only to be revealed. Should the person in >>>> question find Vichara >>>> not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name or of >> the >>>> Ishta Devata is the >>>> next best option. It will quiet the mind, calm >> fears >>>> and help against >>>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time of >>>> death. If the person is >>>> unable to read, maybe a relative or friend can >> read >>>> to him about >>>> Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also helps >> along >>>> with a meditative >>>> athmosphere in the room to prepare the mind for >>>> transition. >>>> >>>> Om Arunachala Shiva >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: >>>> >>>>> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear 'Seeker', >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have a question which I am not sure if I can >>>> ask in this forum. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Where is the harm! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> What is Ramana's advice to the patients who are >>>> terminally ill and >>>>>> those who will not be able to survive for more >>>> than few months? >>>>>> Ramana answers similar questions by asking the >>>> questioner to find >>>>>> out 'Who am I' ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is surely sage advice. This advice should >> be >>>> taken. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe >> does >>>> not seem to have >>>>>> enough time to find his real source following >>>> this method. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The 'I' that believes such things is the very >> 'I' >>>> that is to be >>>>> enquired into. >>>>> Enquiry takes no time. Whoever entertains the >>>> thought that it takes a >>>>> long time or a short time is surely a fool to >>>> themselves. At the point >>>>> of death the ego kicks furiously and asserts its >>>> presence. But to one >>>>> who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to >> enquire, >>>> immediately, into >>>>> this upstart. We are told in Bhagavad Gita and >>>> elsewhere that the >>>>> thought at time of death is all important. >> Through >>>> practice of >>>>> Self-enquiry, during life, the final thoughts at >>>> time of death are >>>>> automatically expunged. Of this, there is >>>> absolutely no doubt! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ghandy: I went to Ramana Maharshi and asked him >>>> how to get rid of my >>>>> periodic mental depression. He responded, 'Try >> to >>>> know first who is >>>>> asking the question: Who are you?' I said that I >>>> could not understand >>>>> that philosophy. Then he advised: 'If one cannot >>>> follow that method, >>>>> then the other way is self-surrender.' That I >>>> could understand. I saw >>>>> an old woman weeping on account of the death of >>>> her son. The Maharshi >>>>> at once changed the trend of the conversation >> and >>>> asked her to >>>>> surrender herself to him so that he could wipe >>>> away her sorrows. The >>>>> next day I found her coming with a smiling face. >>>> This surrender I >>>>> understand, but not your Vedanta. I can >> understand >>>> it intellectually >>>>> but I cannot actualize it. >>>>> >>>>> Gurudas Maharaj: You don't believe in it. If you >>>> could have such >>>>> belief, you should have no difficulty. If >>>> intellectually you could >>>>> grasp it, as you say, then go beyond it by neti, >>>> neti [not this -- not >>>>> this]. Finally what remains is the Atman, your >> own >>>> Self. >>>>> >>>>> (Atman Alone Abides, Sri Ramakrishna Math, >>>> Madras; p.217-8) >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> The Vedas ... are eloquent in 'neti' - 'neti' >>>> (not this not this) >>>>> and then remain silent. Their silence is the >> Real >>>> State. This is the >>>>> meaning of exposition by silence. When the >> source >>>> of the 'I'-thought >>>>> is reached it vanishes and what remains over is >>>> the Self. (from Talks; >>>>> 130) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, >>>>> Miles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Post message: RamanaMaharshi >>>>> Subscribe: >>>> RamanaMaharshi- >>>>> Un: >>>> RamanaMaharshi >>>>> List owner: >>>> RamanaMaharshi-owner >>>>> >>>>> Shortcut URL to this page: >>>>> >>>> >> http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi >>>>> >>>>> >> > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. > http://celebrity.mail. > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Dear Murthy, Bax, Prashanth, Miles, Christiane, David, Gabriele, Thank you all of you for your love and kind words. I feel they are messages from Bhagavan Ramana Himself. I will continue with my Self-enquiry by repeating 'I-I' as I find this method to suit me most. Let Bhagavan Ramana guide us all and keep us fixed to the Self. Best Wishes, Seeker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I ask u one question Do u think human being is solely having the ability of thinking thoughts? namasivayam --- christiane cameron <christianecameron wrote: > Dear Namshivayam, > > universe gets created by the mind, by thinking > thoughts. > > This is not reading about "anybody's saying" this is > about reading and > learning from Maharshi Ramana. And thinking just > creates more > universe. > > Om Arunachala Shiva > > Chris > > > On Dec 3, 2004, at 02:42, nama siva wrote: > > > > > I am sorry i never read anybodys saying > > But the only thing iam doing is thinking > > My view > > Mind is universe > > namasivayam > > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Namashivayam, > >> > >> I don't know what the whole of humanity is > searching > >> for. > >> > >> mInd is nothing but thoughts > >> > >> that is what Maharshi teaches for all who care to > >> learn > >> > >> Om Arunachala Shiva > >> > >> Christiane > >> > >> > >> On Dec 2, 2004, at 02:17, nama siva wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>> It will quiet the mind, calm fears and help > >> against > >>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time of > >> death.< > >>> > >>> > >>> Could you tell me where is mind? > >>> The entire humanity is searching for it > >>> I hope you will reply > >>> namasivayam > >>> > >>> > >>> --- christiane cameron > <christianecameron > >>> rote: > >>> > >>>> Dear Friend in Ramana, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> it is never too late to start Self Inquiry. > Self > >> is > >>>> not something to be > >>>> gained only to be revealed. Should the person > in > >>>> question find Vichara > >>>> not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name or of > >> the > >>>> Ishta Devata is the > >>>> next best option. It will quiet the mind, calm > >> fears > >>>> and help against > >>>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time of > >>>> death. If the person is > >>>> unable to read, maybe a relative or friend can > >> read > >>>> to him about > >>>> Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also helps > >> along > >>>> with a meditative > >>>> athmosphere in the room to prepare the mind for > >>>> transition. > >>>> > >>>> Om Arunachala Shiva > >>>> > >>>> Chris > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear 'Seeker', > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I have a question which I am not sure if I > can > >>>> ask in this forum. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Where is the harm! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> What is Ramana's advice to the patients who > are > >>>> terminally ill and > >>>>>> those who will not be able to survive for > more > >>>> than few months? > >>>>>> Ramana answers similar questions by asking > the > >>>> questioner to find > >>>>>> out 'Who am I' ? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> This is surely sage advice. This advice > should > >> be > >>>> taken. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe > >> does > >>>> not seem to have > >>>>>> enough time to find his real source following > >>>> this method. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The 'I' that believes such things is the very > >> 'I' > >>>> that is to be > >>>>> enquired into. > >>>>> Enquiry takes no time. Whoever entertains the > >>>> thought that it takes a > >>>>> long time or a short time is surely a fool to > >>>> themselves. At the point > >>>>> of death the ego kicks furiously and asserts > its > >>>> presence. But to one > >>>>> who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to > >> enquire, > >>>> immediately, into > >>>>> this upstart. We are told in Bhagavad Gita and > >>>> elsewhere that the > >>>>> thought at time of death is all important. > >> Through > >>>> practice of > >>>>> Self-enquiry, during life, the final thoughts > at > >>>> time of death are > >>>>> automatically expunged. Of this, there is > >>>> absolutely no doubt! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ghandy: I went to Ramana Maharshi and asked > him > >>>> how to get rid of my > >>>>> periodic mental depression. He responded, 'Try > >> to > >>>> know first who is > >>>>> asking the question: Who are you?' I said that > I > >>>> could not understand > >>>>> that philosophy. Then he advised: 'If one > cannot > >>>> follow that method, > >>>>> then the other way is self-surrender.' That I > >>>> could understand. I saw > >>>>> an old woman weeping on account of the death > of > >>>> her son. The Maharshi > >>>>> at once changed the trend of the conversation > >> and > >>>> asked her to > >>>>> surrender herself to him so that he could wipe > >>>> away her sorrows. The > >>>>> next day I found her coming with a smiling > face. > >>>> This surrender I > >>>>> understand, but not your Vedanta. I can > >> understand > >>>> it intellectually > >>>>> but I cannot actualize it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Gurudas Maharaj: You don't believe in it. If > you > >>>> could have such > === message truncated === Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Dear Namasivayam, No, we also have the ability to stop our thoughts chris On Dec 4, 2004, at 00:36, nama siva wrote: > I ask u one question > Do u think human being is solely having the ability of > thinking thoughts? > > namasivayam > > > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > wrote: > > > Dear Namshivayam, > > > > universe gets created by the mind, by thinking > > thoughts. > > > > This is not reading about "anybody's saying" this is > > about reading and > > learning from Maharshi Ramana. And thinking just > > creates more > > universe. > > > > Om Arunachala Shiva > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2004, at 02:42, nama siva wrote: > > > > > > > > I am sorry i never read anybodys saying > > > But the only thing iam doing is thinking > > > My view > > > Mind is universe > > > namasivayam > > > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Dear Namashivayam, > > >> > > >> I don't know what the whole of humanity is > > searching > > >> for. > > >> > > >> mInd is nothing but thoughts > > >> > > >> that is what Maharshi teaches for all who care to > > >> learn > > >> > > >> Om Arunachala Shiva > > >> > > >> Christiane > > >> > > >> > > >> On Dec 2, 2004, at 02:17, nama siva wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>>> It will quiet the mind, calm fears and help > > >> against > > >>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time of > > >> death.< > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Could you tell me where is mind? > > >>> The entire humanity is searching for it > > >>> I hope you will reply > > >>> namasivayam > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- christiane cameron > > <christianecameron > > >>> rote: > > >>> > > >>>> Dear Friend in Ramana, > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> it is never too late to start Self Inquiry. > > Self > > >> is > > >>>> not something to be > > >>>> gained only to be revealed. Should the person > > in > > >>>> question find Vichara > > >>>> not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name or of > > >> the > > >>>> Ishta Devata is the > > >>>> next best option. It will quiet the mind, calm > > >> fears > > >>>> and help against > > >>>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time of > > >>>> death. If the person is > > >>>> unable to read, maybe a relative or friend can > > >> read > > >>>> to him about > > >>>> Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also helps > > >> along > > >>>> with a meditative > > >>>> athmosphere in the room to prepare the mind for > > >>>> transition. > > >>>> > > >>>> Om Arunachala Shiva > > >>>> > > >>>> Chris > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear 'Seeker', > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> I have a question which I am not sure if I > > can > > >>>> ask in this forum. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Where is the harm! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> What is Ramana's advice to the patients who > > are > > >>>> terminally ill and > > >>>>>> those who will not be able to survive for > > more > > >>>> than few months? > > >>>>>> Ramana answers similar questions by asking > > the > > >>>> questioner to find > > >>>>>> out 'Who am I' ? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is surely sage advice. This advice > > should > > >> be > > >>>> taken. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> The seeker who is terminally ill, I believe > > >> does > > >>>> not seem to have > > >>>>>> enough time to find his real source following > > >>>> this method. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The 'I' that believes such things is the very > > >> 'I' > > >>>> that is to be > > >>>>> enquired into. > > >>>>> Enquiry takes no time. Whoever entertains the > > >>>> thought that it takes a > > >>>>> long time or a short time is surely a fool to > > >>>> themselves. At the point > > >>>>> of death the ego kicks furiously and asserts > > its > > >>>> presence. But to one > > >>>>> who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to > > >> enquire, > > >>>> immediately, into > > >>>>> this upstart. We are told in Bhagavad Gita and > > >>>> elsewhere that the > > >>>>> thought at time of death is all important. > > >> Through > > >>>> practice of > > >>>>> Self-enquiry, during life, the final thoughts > > at > > >>>> time of death are > > >>>>> automatically expunged. Of this, there is > > >>>> absolutely no doubt! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Ghandy: I went to Ramana Maharshi and asked > > him > > >>>> how to get rid of my > > >>>>> periodic mental depression. He responded, 'Try > > >> to > > >>>> know first who is > > >>>>> asking the question: Who are you?' I said that > > I > > >>>> could not understand > > >>>>> that philosophy. Then he advised: 'If one > > cannot > > >>>> follow that method, > > >>>>> then the other way is self-surrender.' That I > > >>>> could understand. I saw > > >>>>> an old woman weeping on account of the death > > of > > >>>> her son. The Maharshi > > >>>>> at once changed the trend of the conversation > > >> and > > >>>> asked her to > > >>>>> surrender herself to him so that he could wipe > > >>>> away her sorrows. The > > >>>>> next day I found her coming with a smiling > > face. > > >>>> This surrender I > > >>>>> understand, but not your Vedanta. I can > > >> understand > > >>>> it intellectually > > >>>>> but I cannot actualize it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Gurudas Maharaj: You don't believe in it. If > > you > > >>>> could have such > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail./mail_250 > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > Sponsor > > > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > RamanaMaharshi/ > > • > RamanaMaharshi > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. 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Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Chris, But my question is different After all we human being are having the pride of thinking and stoping thoughts.All comes under physical consciousness. The rest.....? That is life consiousness/mind consiousness/truth consiousness and spiritual consiousness namasivayam --- christiane cameron <christianecameron wrote: > Dear Namasivayam, > > > No, we also have the ability to stop our thoughts > > > chris > > > On Dec 4, 2004, at 00:36, nama siva wrote: > > > I ask u one question > > Do u think human being is solely having the > ability of > > thinking thoughts? > > > > namasivayam > > > > > > --- christiane cameron > <christianecameron > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Namshivayam, > > > > > > universe gets created by the mind, by thinking > > > thoughts. > > > > > > This is not reading about "anybody's saying" > this is > > > about reading and > > > learning from Maharshi Ramana. And thinking > just > > > creates more > > > universe. > > > > > > Om Arunachala Shiva > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2004, at 02:42, nama siva wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry i never read anybodys saying > > > > But the only thing iam doing is thinking > > > > My view > > > > Mind is universe > > > > namasivayam > > > > --- christiane cameron > <christianecameron > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Dear Namashivayam, > > > >> > > > >> I don't know what the whole of humanity is > > > searching > > > >> for. > > > >> > > > >> mInd is nothing but thoughts > > > >> > > > >> that is what Maharshi teaches for all who > care to > > > >> learn > > > >> > > > >> Om Arunachala Shiva > > > >> > > > >> Christiane > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Dec 2, 2004, at 02:17, nama siva wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>>> It will quiet the mind, calm fears and > help > > > >> against > > > >>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time > of > > > >> death.< > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Could you tell me where is mind? > > > >>> The entire humanity is searching for it > > > >>> I hope you will reply > > > >>> namasivayam > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- christiane cameron > > > <christianecameron > > > >>> rote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Dear Friend in Ramana, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> it is never too late to start Self > Inquiry. > > > Self > > > >> is > > > >>>> not something to be > > > >>>> gained only to be revealed. Should the > person > > > in > > > >>>> question find Vichara > > > >>>> not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name > or of > > > >> the > > > >>>> Ishta Devata is the > > > >>>> next best option. It will quiet the mind, > calm > > > >> fears > > > >>>> and help against > > > >>>> unwanted thoughts at the all important > time of > > > >>>> death. If the person is > > > >>>> unable to read, maybe a relative or friend > can > > > >> read > > > >>>> to him about > > > >>>> Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also > helps > > > >> along > > > >>>> with a meditative > > > >>>> athmosphere in the room to prepare the > mind for > > > >>>> transition. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Om Arunachala Shiva > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Chris > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dear 'Seeker', > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> I have a question which I am not sure if > I > > > can > > > >>>> ask in this forum. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Where is the harm! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> What is Ramana's advice to the patients > who > > > are > > > >>>> terminally ill and > > > >>>>>> those who will not be able to survive > for > > > more > > > >>>> than few months? > > > >>>>>> Ramana answers similar questions by > asking > > > the > > > >>>> questioner to find > > > >>>>>> out 'Who am I' ? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> This is surely sage advice. This advice > > > should > > > >> be > > > >>>> taken. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> The seeker who is terminally ill, I > believe > > > >> does > > > >>>> not seem to have > > > >>>>>> enough time to find his real source > following > > > >>>> this method. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The 'I' that believes such things is the > very > > > >> 'I' > > > >>>> that is to be > > > >>>>> enquired into. > > > >>>>> Enquiry takes no time. Whoever > entertains the > > > >>>> thought that it takes a > > > >>>>> long time or a short time is surely a > fool to > > > >>>> themselves. At the point > > > >>>>> of death the ego kicks furiously and > asserts > > > its > > > >>>> presence. But to one > > > >>>>> who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to > === message truncated === The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Dear Namashivayam, I don't understand your purpose. This is a list dedicated to the teachings of Ramana Maharshi and its in this spirit that I am discussing and answering questions. Chris On Dec 4, 2004, at 10:41, nama siva wrote: > > Chris, > But my question is different > After all we human being are having the pride of > thinking and stoping thoughts.All comes under physical > > consciousness. The rest.....? > That is life consiousness/mind consiousness/truth > consiousness and spiritual consiousness > namasivayam > > > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > wrote: > >> Dear Namasivayam, >> >> >> No, we also have the ability to stop our thoughts >> >> >> chris >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2004, at 00:36, nama siva wrote: >> >>> I ask u one question >>> Do u think human being is solely having the >> ability of >>> thinking thoughts? >>> >>> namasivayam >>> >>> >>> --- christiane cameron >> <christianecameron >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Namshivayam, >>>> >>>> universe gets created by the mind, by thinking >>>> thoughts. >>>> >>>> This is not reading about "anybody's saying" >> this is >>>> about reading and >>>> learning from Maharshi Ramana. And thinking >> just >>>> creates more >>>> universe. >>>> >>>> Om Arunachala Shiva >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 3, 2004, at 02:42, nama siva wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am sorry i never read anybodys saying >>>>> But the only thing iam doing is thinking >>>>> My view >>>>> Mind is universe >>>>> namasivayam >>>>> --- christiane cameron >> <christianecameron >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Namashivayam, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know what the whole of humanity is >>>> searching >>>>>> for. >>>>>> >>>>>> mInd is nothing but thoughts >>>>>> >>>>>> that is what Maharshi teaches for all who >> care to >>>>>> learn >>>>>> >>>>>> Om Arunachala Shiva >>>>>> >>>>>> Christiane >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 2, 2004, at 02:17, nama siva wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It will quiet the mind, calm fears and >> help >>>>>> against >>>>>>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time >> of >>>>>> death.< >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you tell me where is mind? >>>>>>> The entire humanity is searching for it >>>>>>> I hope you will reply >>>>>>> namasivayam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- christiane cameron >>>> <christianecameron >>>>>>> rote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Friend in Ramana, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it is never too late to start Self >> Inquiry. >>>> Self >>>>>> is >>>>>>>> not something to be >>>>>>>> gained only to be revealed. Should the >> person >>>> in >>>>>>>> question find Vichara >>>>>>>> not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name >> or of >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Ishta Devata is the >>>>>>>> next best option. It will quiet the mind, >> calm >>>>>> fears >>>>>>>> and help against >>>>>>>> unwanted thoughts at the all important >> time of >>>>>>>> death. If the person is >>>>>>>> unable to read, maybe a relative or friend >> can >>>>>> read >>>>>>>> to him about >>>>>>>> Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also >> helps >>>>>> along >>>>>>>> with a meditative >>>>>>>> athmosphere in the room to prepare the >> mind for >>>>>>>> transition. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Om Arunachala Shiva >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear 'Seeker', >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a question which I am not sure if >> I >>>> can >>>>>>>> ask in this forum. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where is the harm! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is Ramana's advice to the patients >> who >>>> are >>>>>>>> terminally ill and >>>>>>>>>> those who will not be able to survive >> for >>>> more >>>>>>>> than few months? >>>>>>>>>> Ramana answers similar questions by >> asking >>>> the >>>>>>>> questioner to find >>>>>>>>>> out 'Who am I' ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is surely sage advice. This advice >>>> should >>>>>> be >>>>>>>> taken. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The seeker who is terminally ill, I >> believe >>>>>> does >>>>>>>> not seem to have >>>>>>>>>> enough time to find his real source >> following >>>>>>>> this method. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The 'I' that believes such things is the >> very >>>>>> 'I' >>>>>>>> that is to be >>>>>>>>> enquired into. >>>>>>>>> Enquiry takes no time. Whoever >> entertains the >>>>>>>> thought that it takes a >>>>>>>>> long time or a short time is surely a >> fool to >>>>>>>> themselves. At the point >>>>>>>>> of death the ego kicks furiously and >> asserts >>>> its >>>>>>>> presence. But to one >>>>>>>>> who has taken to enquiry the reflex is to >> > === message truncated === > > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > Links > > > > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 "Now see which is your real nature. Is it that which is free from thoughts or that which is full of thoughts? Being is continuous. The thoughts are discontinuous. So which is permanent?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sri Bhagavan in Talk 610 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just found this ... Kind Regards Gabriele - "nama siva" <nama_sivam <RamanaMaharshi> Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:41 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ramana's advice to the terminally ill. > > Chris, > But my question is different > After all we human being are having the pride of > thinking and stoping thoughts.All comes under physical > > consciousness. The rest.....? > That is life consiousness/mind consiousness/truth > consiousness and spiritual consiousness > namasivayam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I think nature is one and the same I could not found real and unrealin nature Nothing is free from thoughts Ofcourse thoughts are discontinuous when brain last cosmic link Mind (universe is permanent namasivayam --- gabriele ebert <g.ebert wrote: > "Now see which is your real nature. Is it that which > is free > from thoughts or that which is full of thoughts? > Being is continuous. The thoughts are discontinuous. > So > which is permanent?" > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Sri Bhagavan in Talk 610 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Just found this ... > > Kind Regards > Gabriele > > > > - > "nama siva" <nama_sivam > <RamanaMaharshi> > Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:41 AM > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ramana's advice to the > terminally ill. > > > > > > Chris, > > But my question is different > > After all we human being are having the pride of > > thinking and stoping thoughts.All comes under > physical > > > > consciousness. The rest.....? > > That is life consiousness/mind consiousness/truth > > consiousness and spiritual consiousness > > namasivayam > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Chris, Well My purpose is spiritual research I am sharing my views in this forum to meet other spiritualists namasivayam --- christiane cameron <christianecameron wrote: > > Dear Namashivayam, > > I don't understand your purpose. > > This is a list dedicated to the teachings of Ramana > Maharshi and its in > this spirit that I am discussing and answering > questions. > > Chris > > > > > On Dec 4, 2004, at 10:41, nama siva wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > But my question is different > > After all we human being are having the pride of > > thinking and stoping thoughts.All comes under > physical > > > > consciousness. The rest.....? > > That is life consiousness/mind consiousness/truth > > consiousness and spiritual consiousness > > namasivayam > > > > > > --- christiane cameron <christianecameron > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Namasivayam, > >> > >> > >> No, we also have the ability to stop our > thoughts > >> > >> > >> chris > >> > >> > >> On Dec 4, 2004, at 00:36, nama siva wrote: > >> > >>> I ask u one question > >>> Do u think human being is solely having the > >> ability of > >>> thinking thoughts? > >>> > >>> namasivayam > >>> > >>> > >>> --- christiane cameron > >> <christianecameron > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear Namshivayam, > >>>> > >>>> universe gets created by the mind, by thinking > >>>> thoughts. > >>>> > >>>> This is not reading about "anybody's saying" > >> this is > >>>> about reading and > >>>> learning from Maharshi Ramana. And thinking > >> just > >>>> creates more > >>>> universe. > >>>> > >>>> Om Arunachala Shiva > >>>> > >>>> Chris > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 3, 2004, at 02:42, nama siva wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I am sorry i never read anybodys saying > >>>>> But the only thing iam doing is thinking > >>>>> My view > >>>>> Mind is universe > >>>>> namasivayam > >>>>> --- christiane cameron > >> <christianecameron > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Namashivayam, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't know what the whole of humanity is > >>>> searching > >>>>>> for. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> mInd is nothing but thoughts > >>>>>> > >>>>>> that is what Maharshi teaches for all who > >> care to > >>>>>> learn > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Om Arunachala Shiva > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Christiane > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 2, 2004, at 02:17, nama siva wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It will quiet the mind, calm fears and > >> help > >>>>>> against > >>>>>>> unwanted thoughts at the all important time > >> of > >>>>>> death.< > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Could you tell me where is mind? > >>>>>>> The entire humanity is searching for it > >>>>>>> I hope you will reply > >>>>>>> namasivayam > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- christiane cameron > >>>> <christianecameron > >>>>>>> rote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Friend in Ramana, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> it is never too late to start Self > >> Inquiry. > >>>> Self > >>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> not something to be > >>>>>>>> gained only to be revealed. Should the > >> person > >>>> in > >>>>>>>> question find Vichara > >>>>>>>> not suitable then Japa of Bhagawan's name > >> or of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Ishta Devata is the > >>>>>>>> next best option. It will quiet the mind, > >> calm > >>>>>> fears > >>>>>>>> and help against > >>>>>>>> unwanted thoughts at the all important > >> time of > >>>>>>>> death. If the person is > >>>>>>>> unable to read, maybe a relative or friend > >> can > >>>>>> read > >>>>>>>> to him about > >>>>>>>> Bhagawan's life. Devotional music also > >> helps > >>>>>> along > >>>>>>>> with a meditative > >>>>>>>> athmosphere in the room to prepare the > >> mind for > >>>>>>>> transition. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Om Arunachala Shiva > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Chris > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:37, Miles wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear 'Seeker', > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I have a question which I am not sure if > >> I > >>>> can > >>>>>>>> ask in this forum. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Where is the harm! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> What is Ramana's advice to the patients > >> who > >>>> are > >>>>>>>> terminally ill and > >>>>>>>>>> those who will not be able to survive > >> for > >>>> more > >>>>>>>> than few months? > >>>>>>>>>> Ramana answers similar questions by > >> asking > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> questioner to find > === message truncated === The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 nama siva [nama_sivam] Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:02 PM RamanaMaharshi Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ramana's advice to the terminally ill. Chris, Well My purpose is spiritual research I am sharing my views in this forum to meet other spiritualists namasivayam *********************************** You will meet Bhagavan's devotees here. That is not the same as spiritualists. We take joy here in Bhagavan's crystal clear teaching of the Self which we consider above anything else. If you wish to meet with spiritualists in general and share your views, other forums would be a better choice and more efficient use of your time. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Thank you Harshaji Chris On Dec 5, 2004, at 02:10, Harsha wrote: > > nama siva [nama_sivam] > Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:02 PM > RamanaMaharshi > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ramana's advice to the terminally ill. > > > Chris, > Well > My purpose is spiritual research > I am sharing my views in this forum to meet other > spiritualists > namasivayam > > *********************************** > You will meet Bhagavan's devotees here. That is not the same as > spiritualists. We take joy here in Bhagavan's crystal clear teaching > of the > Self which we consider above anything else. > > If you wish to meet with spiritualists in general and share your > views, > other forums would be a better choice and more efficient use of your > time. > > Harsha > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > Sponsor > > > <111704_1104_g_300250a.gif> > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > RamanaMaharshi/ > > • > RamanaMaharshi > > • Terms of > Service. > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Well Chris and harsha wants to leave me? R u committed spiritualists ? If yes Other spirits will diognos ur spiritual value namasivayam --- christiane cameron <christianecameron wrote: > Thank you Harshaji > > Chris > > > > On Dec 5, 2004, at 02:10, Harsha wrote: > > > > > nama siva [nama_sivam] > > Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:02 PM > > RamanaMaharshi > > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ramana's advice to > the terminally ill. > > > > > > Chris, > > Well > > My purpose is spiritual research > > I am sharing my views in this forum to meet other > > spiritualists > > namasivayam > > > > *********************************** > > You will meet Bhagavan's devotees here. That is > not the same as > > spiritualists. We take joy here in Bhagavan's > crystal clear teaching > > of the > > Self which we consider above anything else. > > > > If you wish to meet with spiritualists in general > and share your > > views, > > other forums would be a better choice and more > efficient use of your > > time. > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > > Subscribe: > RamanaMaharshi- > > Un: > RamanaMaharshi > > List owner: > RamanaMaharshi-owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <111704_1104_g_300250a.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Links > > > > • > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > > • To from this group, send an email > to: > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > • Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. > Kovalam/Kerala > contact: christianecameron > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Dear Shri.Namasivayam, As some of the fellow devotees have said, let us just share and discuss bhagawans teachings here. Lets diagnose ourselves first to imbibe bhagawans teachings fully. Let us not dilute this forums discussions other than bhagawans teachings. vijay nama siva [nama_sivam] Sunday, December 05, 2004 5:06 PM RamanaMaharshi Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ramana's advice to the terminally ill. Well Chris and harsha wants to leave me? R u committed spiritualists ? If yes Other spirits will diognos ur spiritual value namasivayam --- christiane cameron <christianecameron wrote: > Thank you Harshaji > > Chris > > > > On Dec 5, 2004, at 02:10, Harsha wrote: > > > > > nama siva [nama_sivam] > > Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:02 PM > > RamanaMaharshi > > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ramana's advice to > the terminally ill. > > > > > > Chris, > > Well > > My purpose is spiritual research > > I am sharing my views in this forum to meet other > > spiritualists > > namasivayam > > > > *********************************** > > You will meet Bhagavan's devotees here. That is > not the same as > > spiritualists. We take joy here in Bhagavan's > crystal clear teaching > > of the > > Self which we consider above anything else. > > > > If you wish to meet with spiritualists in general > and share your > > views, > > other forums would be a better choice and more > efficient use of your > > time. > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > > Subscribe: > RamanaMaharshi- > > Un: > RamanaMaharshi > > List owner: > RamanaMaharshi-owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <111704_1104_g_300250a.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Links > > > > * > > RamanaMaharshi/ > > > > * To from this group, send an email > to: > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. > Kovalam/Kerala > contact: christianecameron > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail./mail_250 Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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