Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 > > > SURRENDER and SELF-ENQUIRY > > > > > > > > > Devotee: It is all right from the standpoint of > > > Bhagavan. But what about us ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi: The difference 'He' and 'I' are the > > > obstacles to Jnana (Wisdom). > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: But it cannot be denied that Bhagavan is of a > > > high order whereas we are limited. Will Bhagavan > > > make me one with Him ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: Were you aware of limitations in your sleep ? > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: I cannot bring down the state of my sleep in the > > > present state and speak of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: You need not. These three states alternate > > > before the unchanging Self. You can remember your > > > state of sleep. That is your real state. There > > > were no limitations then. After the rise of the > > > 'I'-thought the limitations arose. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: How to attain the Self ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: Self is not to be attained because you are the > > > Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: Yes. There is an unchanging Self and a changing > > > one in me. There are two selves. > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: The changefulness is mere thought. All thoughts > > > arise after the arising of the 'I'-thought. See to > > > whom the thoughts arise. Then you transcend them > > > and they subside. This is to say, tracing the > > > source of the 'I'-thought, you realize the perfect > > > 'I'-'I' ("I AM"). 'I' is the name of the > > > Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: Shall I meditate on "I am Brahman" (Aham > > > Brahmasmi) ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: That [scriptural text] is not meant for > > > thinking "I am Brahman". Aham ("I") is known to > > > every one. Brahman abides as Aham in every one. > > > Find out the "I". The "I" is already Brahman. > > > You need not think so. Simply find out the "I". > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: Is not discarding of the sheaths (kosas) > > > mentioned in the sastras (scriptures) ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: After the rise of the 'I'-thought there is the > > > false identification of the "I" with the body, the > > > senses, the mind, etc. "I" is wrongly associated > > > with them and the true "I" is lost sight of. In > > > order to shift the pure "I" from the contaminated > > > 'I' this discarding is mentioned. But it does not > > > mean exactly discarding of the non-self, but it > > > means the finding of the real Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > The real Self is the Infinite "I"-"I" , i.e., > > > "I" is Perfection. It is eternal. It has no > > > origin and no end. The other 'I' is born and also > > > die. It is impermanent. See to whom are the > > > changing thoughts. They will be found to arise > > > after the 'I'-thought. Hold the 'I'-thought. They > > > subside. Trace back the source of the 'I'-thought. > > > The Self alone will remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: It is difficult to follow. I understand the > > > theory. But what is the practise ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: The other methods are meant for those who cannot > > > take to the investigation of the Self. Even to > > > repeat Aham Brahmasmi or think of it, a doer is > > > necessary. Who is it ? It is "I". Be that "I". > > > It is the direct method. The other methods also > > > will ultimately lead everyone to this method of the > > > investigation of the Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: I am aware of the 'I'. Yet, my troubles are not > > > ended. > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: This 'I'-thought is not pure. It is > > > contaminated with the association of the body and > > > senses. See to whom the trouble is. It is to the > > > 'I'-thought. Hold it. Then the other thoughts > > > vanish. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: Yes. How to do it ? That is the whole trouble > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: Think [chant, inwardly] "I", "I", "I" and > > > hold to that thought to the exclusion of all > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- Bhagavan Ramana in > > > Talks With Sri Ramana Maharshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > pp.221-222 (No.266) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Alan, I just find this so clear, so helpful, so excellent. Thank you v much. wai > > > SURRENDER and SELF-ENQUIRY > > > > > > > > > Devotee: It is all right from the standpoint of > > > Bhagavan. But what about us ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi: The difference 'He' and 'I' are the > > > obstacles to Jnana (Wisdom). > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: But it cannot be denied that Bhagavan is of a > > > high order whereas we are limited. Will Bhagavan > > > make me one with Him ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: Were you aware of limitations in your sleep ? > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: I cannot bring down the state of my sleep in the > > > present state and speak of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: You need not. These three states alternate > > > before the unchanging Self. You can remember your > > > state of sleep. That is your real state. There > > > were no limitations then. After the rise of the > > > 'I'-thought the limitations arose. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: How to attain the Self ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: Self is not to be attained because you are the > > > Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: Yes. There is an unchanging Self and a changing > > > one in me. There are two selves. > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: The changefulness is mere thought. All thoughts > > > arise after the arising of the 'I'-thought. See to > > > whom the thoughts arise. Then you transcend them > > > and they subside. This is to say, tracing the > > > source of the 'I'-thought, you realize the perfect > > > 'I'-'I' ("I AM"). 'I' is the name of the > > > Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: Shall I meditate on "I am Brahman" (Aham > > > Brahmasmi) ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: That [scriptural text] is not meant for > > > thinking "I am Brahman". Aham ("I") is known to > > > every one. Brahman abides as Aham in every one. > > > Find out the "I". The "I" is already Brahman. > > > You need not think so. Simply find out the "I". > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: Is not discarding of the sheaths (kosas) > > > mentioned in the sastras (scriptures) ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: After the rise of the 'I'-thought there is the > > > false identification of the "I" with the body, the > > > senses, the mind, etc. "I" is wrongly associated > > > with them and the true "I" is lost sight of. In > > > order to shift the pure "I" from the contaminated > > > 'I' this discarding is mentioned. But it does not > > > mean exactly discarding of the non-self, but it > > > means the finding of the real Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > The real Self is the Infinite "I"-"I" , i.e., > > > "I" is Perfection. It is eternal. It has no > > > origin and no end. The other 'I' is born and also > > > die. It is impermanent. See to whom are the > > > changing thoughts. They will be found to arise > > > after the 'I'-thought. Hold the 'I'-thought. They > > > subside. Trace back the source of the 'I'-thought. > > > The Self alone will remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: It is difficult to follow. I understand the > > > theory. But what is the practise ? > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: The other methods are meant for those who cannot > > > take to the investigation of the Self. Even to > > > repeat Aham Brahmasmi or think of it, a doer is > > > necessary. Who is it ? It is "I". Be that "I". > > > It is the direct method. The other methods also > > > will ultimately lead everyone to this method of the > > > investigation of the Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: I am aware of the 'I'. Yet, my troubles are not > > > ended. > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: This 'I'-thought is not pure. It is > > > contaminated with the association of the body and > > > senses. See to whom the trouble is. It is to the > > > 'I'-thought. Hold it. Then the other thoughts > > > vanish. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.: Yes. How to do it ? That is the whole trouble > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > > > M.: Think [chant, inwardly] "I", "I", "I" and > > > hold to that thought to the exclusion of all > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- Bhagavan Ramana in > > > Talks With Sri Ramana Maharshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > pp.221-222 (No.266) > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Links RamanaMaharshi/ RamanaMaharshi Attachment: (image/jpeg) [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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