'How I discovered' and 'Experiences'

[Guest guest]

Based on my practice of your words, I Regained (remembered) my

respect for your method and words, I re-read slowly

two of your key pages

How I discovered AWA

Experience and Comment.

 

Wow, The words strike me with new meaning.

 

What a clarity!

 

If Ramana takes a nights conscious (remembered) experience to

touch the root and Muruganar and Sadhu Om take many years, your

experience is yet another exemplary one (if you have really gained

the EGOless state).

 

The mumbo-jumbo and mysticism are all gone. This is as scientific a

practice for the worlds clearest science of consciousness - Advaita

Vedanta.

 

I am beginning to gain so much confidence that the Egoless state is

only a few years or months away and that more and more (imagined)

people will get there soon, thanks to your guide.

 

Add Annamalai Swami's quote: "The ego may seem like a mountain, but

dont be discouraged, it is a mountain of camphor. Set fire to an end,

using Vicharam". More properly we should say, Set fire to an end,

using the awareness-only-awareness.

 

***

 

In the realm of Advaita, Ramana drew a crisp and clear small circle

and you have reduced it to a point in its center.

 

He said 'Ask Who am I'.

 

You provide the clear answer

(Nisarga says the same too) - 'I' am the Pure Awareness,

the Awareness that chooses to look at itself instead of World, Body,

Mind, Thoughts and stays as Awareness-watching Awareness.

 

In that sense you are really a Navnath. Vihangama. (Descendent in

Nisargadatta's Guru Order. Swapna Diksha (Dream guidance) from ND

only proves it further.

 

 

**

 

Only thought that strikes me is that Ramana left it at the question

and let the answer emerge when the disciple is mature. Else, I, the

listener may feeling-lessly repeat or meditate on the answer saying

'Prajnanam Iva Brahmam' Reality is nothing but this Pure Awareness.

 

**

 

Here is another quote I got from Siddharameswar Maharaj (ND's guru)

which a very nice way of describing AWA:

 

"One should again and again take notice of how pure abstract

consciousness pervades us before it takes up another object."

 

Isnt that beautiful?

 

 

Thank you Master.

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "rjaymidi" <rjaymidi>

wrote:

>

> In other words, the First Person awareness that is present during

> waking state is the same one that remains in Sleep without taking

up

> any thought or listening to the outside world and the same one

that

> remains in dream as a detached Observer without getting fully

taken

> over by the created world.

>

> Well, I said 'listening to the world'. Ramana and Upanishad's say

that

> 'creating worlds'.

>

>

> *****

>

> In the spirit of Muruganar, I am expressing my gratitude to you as

a

> Tamil Poem:

>

>

> "There is a teaching that says Cling only on to Awareness

> and you will see that all the imagined rest of things - World,

Mind,

> Body, Ego will drop off like melting snow.

>

> "There is a teaching that says Cling only on to this teaching

> and do not waste time on indirect teachings. That is enough.

>

> "The teacher who gave us "Who Am I?" Ramana, is today

> appearing as Sadhu Om and UareLove."

>

> Thaanennum Thannunarvai Vittidadhu Pidiththukkol

> Paarennum UdalManadum Ahandaiyaam Paniyurugum

> Paarendru Sonna Oru Sollae podum Naer vazhi Naan

> Yaarendru raitha Ramananae Inru Om Saadhu U are love.

>

>

>

>

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "rjaymidi" <rjaymidi>

> wrote:

> >

> > Michael

> >

> > 2 days back I came across your guidelines in the FirstRing

 

> > group - on how to awaken insight.

> >

> > You had pointed out that instead of reading books and Sayings

> like

> > reading newspaper, you should slow down and read a section many

> many

> > times, slowly, with an intention of grasping the true inner

meaning.

> > Then insight is awakened. However this is very difficult to do

> > because the ego has a tendency to rush and to speed read and jump

> > around fast thinking 'I have read this before, yeah I know this,

I

> > understand this'.

> >

> > After reading yourguidelines, I took a print out of a small

> > section of Chapter 8 of Sadhu Om and read it many time with

> Sincerity

> > and earnestness and awaiting insight.

> >

> > How amazed I was! I now noted words that I had previously

> misread!

> > I had puzzles and questions which I previously never had! And I

had

> > answers pop up from insight. I had many 'Aha's!

> >

> > And I understood how clearly Sadhu Om's description describes

the

> > settling down of ego primarily by holding on to the First Person

> > - not holding, by clinging to him.

> >

> > That evening I traveled by bus to Ramanashram and I tried to

> hold

> > onto the First Person without losing hold. When you do this,

> thoughts

> > come in but since your effort is strong in holding, you get back

to

> > the First Person and start seeing that the thoughts are just

thin

> > waves.

> >

> > Secondly I started seeing that as I was holding, the thoughts

> were

> > fewer and fewer and less stronger and slowly I started feeling

> > sleepy, but for the first time, I saw that my mind continued to

hold

> > onto the First person. I started wondering whether this holding

Guy

> > and the held Guy are two different! Wow!

> >

> > This process of Slow reading and then practising AWA for an

hour,

> > are really insight releasing.

> >

> > You know why?

> >

> > At the end of this exercise, I opened Maha Yoga and in the

> > chapter

> > called Quest I read a quote that described this very process

very

> > precisely. It provided the missing link from where Sadhu Om

leaves:

> >

> > Sadhu Om says: "Just as a rubber ball gathers momentum as it

> > bounces down a stair case, the more intense our concentration on

> > clinging to the First Person, faster is the contraction of the

> First

> > Thought (Ego) until it merges into the Source".

> >

> > (I am happy to tell you that this was the first sentence of

the

> > quote I took out of Chapter Eight, that I slow read according to

> your

> > guidelines.)

> >

> > "Who" in Maha Yoga more concisely says ( I am paraphrasing) -

> > BY vigilantly holding on the the sense of I am, before going to

> > sleep, as thoughts drop off one by one, at the last moment, when

> the

> > last thought drops off, there is this Pure Awareness.

> >

> > And in my further reading of Maha Yoga I found many quotes

that

> > described the (new) insights I got right before the reading!

> >

> > Outlandish as these coincidences may seem, another simpler

> > explanation is that the events of reality are also a dream where

> > we are creating them to suit our desires and fears.

> >

> > The illusion of world and events apart from the mind and

having

> a

> > mind as a intentious thinker are dissolving even though very

slowly.

> >

> > Thanks for being one of the first out in the open non-Indian

> > Rishi's who re-discover Vichara technique in precise ways.

> > I am not saying this to resurrect the ego which you might have

> > destroyed or prolong the one you are finding difficult to

destroy.

> >

> > I am sharing this to say my experience follows your

experience,

> so

> > the truth of single consciousness is getting affirmed.

> >

> > (P.S. I also visited Sri sadhu Om's Presence, on my first ever

trip

> > yesterday to Ramanashram.

> >

> > Ravi

[Guest guest]

om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya

Dear Ravi,

> If Ramana takes a nights conscious (remembered) experience to

> touch the root and Muruganar and Sadhu Om take many years, your

> experience is yet another exemplary one (if you have really gained

> the EGOless state).

> I am beginning to gain so much confidence that the Egoless state is

> only a few years or months away and that more and more (imagined)

> people will get there soon, thanks to your guide.

Time and space are imagined, ways of thinking, modes of perception. Only

timeless reality is, and it is here and now. Whatever is time-bound is

momentary and has no reality. (Nisargadatta)

Do time and space exist apart from the ego? If we were bodies, then we would be

subject to them. (But) say, are we bodies? Because the True Self is the same

everywhere and at all times, therefore learn that He is the sole Reality,

consuming both (time and space). (Sriramanahrdayam; 21)

This reminds me of an interesting conversation I had with one of the prevalent

advertising jnanis that peddle their wares here in the UK. An Indian by birth,

he claimed Ramana parampara, and had the rather ridiculous habit of telling

people that they would 'perhaps' attain realisation in two or three births

time. The very ego who thinks in such habitual ways is the sole problem.

Vichara ..the solution.

'If the mind is not made use of there is no concept of time. Time and space are

in the mind but one's true state lies beyond the mind. The question of time

does not arise at all to the one established in one's true nature. ...He who

instructs an ardent seeker to do this or that is not a true master. The seeker

is already afflicted by his activities and wants Peace and Rest. In other words

he wants cessation of his activities. Instead of that he is told to something in

addition to, or in the place of, his other activities. Can that be a help to the

seeker?' (Talks; 601)

Progress is measured in terms of time. The concept of 'progress' is a tool of

the ego. The three times (past, present, future) are erroneous. 'Time', the

abode of all actions and processes, is responsible for their sequence. But it

is dependent on 'person' and as such works wonderfully as a matter of

convention, as it overseas the birth, existence and decay of 'things'. Vichara

slices through such concepts. When there is absorption in one thought there is

no awareness of time, but a seeming eternal present. But even this present

exists only in the mind and in relation to past and future...Even here...Let

vichara be done!! and the Heart will play its part automatically, stop all this

activity and perceived timescales will cease. Where then is the need to wait for

realisation? Any timescale is simply pandering to mindstuff. The state of Peace

and Rest is beyond relative hypothesis. In truth it is the utter extinction of

this thing named 'I', this person addicted to actions and processes.

Regards,

Miles

--

"ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti

That which exists is One; sages call it by various names."

[Guest guest]

'The concept of time does not arise to the one who is established

in his True nature.'

 

For everyone else, it arises.

 

 

 

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, Miles <miles.wright@b...>

wrote:

> om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya

>

> Dear Ravi,

>

> > If Ramana takes a nights conscious (remembered) experience to

> > touch the root and Muruganar and Sadhu Om take many years, your

> > experience is yet another exemplary one (if you have really gained

> > the EGOless state).

>

> > I am beginning to gain so much confidence that the Egoless state

is

> > only a few years or months away and that more and more (imagined)

> > people will get there soon, thanks to your guide.

>

>

> Time and space are imagined, ways of thinking, modes of perception.

Only

> timeless reality is, and it is here and now. Whatever is time-bound

is

> momentary and has no reality. (Nisargadatta)

>

> Do time and space exist apart from the ego? If we were bodies, then

we would

> be subject to them. (But) say, are we bodies? Because the True Self

is the

> same everywhere and at all times, therefore learn that He is the

sole

> Reality, consuming both (time and space). (Sriramanahrdayam; 21)

>

> This reminds me of an interesting conversation I had with one of the

> prevalent advertising jnanis that peddle their wares here in the

UK. An

> Indian by birth, he claimed Ramana parampara, and had the rather

ridiculous

> habit of telling people that they would 'perhaps' attain

realisation in two

> or three births time. The very ego who thinks in such habitual

ways is

> the sole problem. Vichara ..the solution.

>

> 'If the mind is not made use of there is no concept of time. Time

and space

> are in the mind but one's true state lies beyond the mind. The

question of

> time does not arise at all to the one established in one's true

nature.

> ...He who instructs an ardent seeker to do this or that is not a

true

> master. The seeker is already afflicted by his activities and wants

Peace

> and Rest. In other words he wants cessation of his activities.

Instead of

> that he is told to something in addition to, or in the place of,

his other

> activities. Can that be a help to the seeker?' (Talks; 601)

>

> Progress is measured in terms of time. The concept of 'progress' is

a tool

> of the ego. The three times (past, present, future) are

erroneous. 'Time',

> the abode of all actions and processes, is responsible for their

sequence.

> But it is dependent on 'person' and as such works wonderfully as a

matter of

> convention, as it overseas the birth, existence and decay

of 'things'.

> Vichara slices through such concepts. When there is absorption in

one

> thought there is no awareness of time, but a seeming eternal

present. But

> even this present exists only in the mind and in relation to past

and

> future...Even here...Let vichara be done!! and the Heart will play

its part

> automatically, stop all this activity and perceived timescales will

cease.

> Where then is the need to wait for realisation? Any timescale is

simply

> pandering to mindstuff. The state of Peace and Rest is beyond

relative

> hypothesis. In truth it is the utter extinction of this thing

named 'I',

> this person addicted to actions and processes.

>

> Regards,

> Miles

>

> --

> "ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti

> That which exists is One; sages call it by various names."

[Guest guest]

om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya

 

> For everyone else, it [time] arises.

This is down to outlook.

M. : Again, there is no time and space in your sleep. They are concepts which

arise after the 'I'-thought has arisen. Before the rise of the 'I'-thought the

concepts are absent. Therefore you are beyond time and space. The 'I'-thought

is only limited 'I'. The real 'I' is unlimited, universal, beyond time and

space. They are absent in sleep. Just on rising from sleep, and before seeing

the objective world, there is a state of awareness which is your pure Self.

That must be known.

D. : But I do not realise it.

M. : It is not an object to be realised. You are that. Who is there to realise and what?'

(Talks; 311)

'There is only one Infinite Self.' (Talks; 20)

'Mere ignorance does not rule out the fact of your existence.' (Talks; 427)

This frittering away of mental energy merely perpetuates the human condition and

stimulates the endless chitter chatter of the uncontrolled mind and its

supposition about 'One day'...'one day soon' ...'soon ...the egoless state will

be won'. Fortunately the rejuvenating inner depth of mental silence is available

to everyone, right now, even amidst the noise of daily life. At times one might

lose sight of this simple fact. And, when this happens, the illusion of

free-will, and all this entails, will appear to take hold, in time and space.

'...time and space are only concepts of mind. But swarupa (the Real Self) lies

beyond mind, time and space. Distance does not count in the Self.' (Talks; 68)

'There is no non-self in fact. The non-self also exists in the Self. It is the

Self which speaks of the non-self because it has forgotten itself, it conceives

something as non-self, which is after all nothing but itself.' (Talks; 310)

Regards,

Miles