What does Bhagavan mean by "controlling ... breath"?

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Can some clarify the meaning behind this verse specially in regard to

controlling the breath?

 

28. Just as a man would dive in order to get

something that had fallen into the water, so one

should dive into oneself, with a keen one-pointed

mind, controlling speech and breath, and find the

place whence the `I' originates.

 

FROM THE FORTY VERSES ON REALITY

 

Thanks,

Lior

[Guest guest]

Dear Lior,

 

>From another angle of view, here Ramana is talking about the desire

for liberation. This was the fourth, and most important of Sankara's

four 'requsites for realization' - discrimination, detachment, the

six essentials, and desire for liberation.

 

It is said that of these, desire for liberation is most important

since this drives practice, and the others will come through practice.

 

Now when a man falls into the water he cannot breathe, the drowning

main desires breath. He swims to the surface without distraction.

 

Not two,

Richard

 

RamanaMaharshi, "liorviz" <liorviz> wrote:

>

>

> Can some clarify the meaning behind this verse specially in regard

to

> controlling the breath?

>

> 28. Just as a man would dive in order to get

> something that had fallen into the water, so one

> should dive into oneself, with a keen one-pointed

> mind, controlling speech and breath, and find the

> place whence the `I' originates.

>

> FROM THE FORTY VERSES ON REALITY

>

> Thanks,

> Lior

[Guest guest]

Dear richard and Lior,

One who goes to deep sea for finding pearls used to take a deep breath and jump

into the water and will retain his breath in side water till he gets the

pearls.Thats what the original comparison means.Restraining the breath,one

should dive into the heart and find the source of I .Thats how it should be,i

feel

vijay

Richard Clarke [rclarke (AT) svcrm (DOT) com]Sent:

Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:43 AMRamanaMaharshiSubject:

[RamanaMaharshi] Re: What does Bhagavan mean by "controlling ... breath"?Dear

Lior,From another angle of view, here Ramana is talking about the desire for

liberation. This was the fourth, and most important of Sankara's four

'requsites for realization' - discrimination, detachment, the six essentials,

and desire for liberation. It is said that of these, desire for liberation is

most important since this drives practice, and the others will come through

practice.Now when a man falls into the water he cannot breathe, the drowning

main desires breath. He swims to the surface without distraction. Not

two,Richard RamanaMaharshi, "liorviz" <liorviz>

wrote:> > > Can some clarify the meaning behind this verse specially in regard

to > controlling the breath?> > 28. Just as a man would dive in order to get>

something that had fallen into the water, so one> should dive into oneself,

with a keen one-pointed> mind, controlling speech and breath, and find the>

place whence the `I' originates.> > FROM THE FORTY VERSES ON REALITY > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lior,

 

Ramana in here is asking us to go in search of this 'I' thru the

process of controlling speech and breath with all the dedication as

to one who has lost a valuable thing in water. That person is

prepared to give up everything and dive as deep the water is to get

it back.

 

So, getting to know this 'I' and to abide to it, requires such a

dedication. As far as controlling of speech and breath is concerned

here's what he means.

 

'I' can be realized only if the mind subsides; To subside 'Mind' is

to have zero thoughts; to get to zero thoughts there are two

approaches

 

a. Control the mind thru daily practice of meditation

b. Controlling breath ('Pranayama' - a yogic practice) controls

thoughts.

 

It can be realized with practice that as the thoughts subside the

breath becomes slow and as the breathing becomes slow you can feel

the peace of mind.

 

Its said breath and mind are two branches of a single tree, by

controlling one the other can be controlled.

 

Since for some people meditation could be hard to practice, Breath

control or Pranayama could be an easy alternative practice to cool

the mind off.

 

Both practices (meditation and Pranayama) are the best approach for

quicker progress.

 

Hope this was helpfull.

 

Dileep

 

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "liorviz" <liorviz> wrote:

>

>

> Can some clarify the meaning behind this verse specially in regard

to

> controlling the breath?

>

> 28. Just as a man would dive in order to get

> something that had fallen into the water, so one

> should dive into oneself, with a keen one-pointed

> mind, controlling speech and breath, and find the

> place whence the `I' originates.

>

> FROM THE FORTY VERSES ON REALITY

>

> Thanks,

> Lior