Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 »» »»» »»» Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaaya >From previous sequence... [items in square brackets are the poster’s insertions] “Many people experienced deep states of quiet,samadhis, kundalini activity, and so on in Bhagavan's presence that didn't occur when they were away from him. Isn't this something useful that only a living Guru can provide?...I am trying very hard to take this to heart” ~~~~ Sequence 2 ~~~~ Dear Rob,> But a question comes to mind. What about transmission, or diksha, or the power of the presence, or whatever we should call it?> Many people experienced deep states of quiet,> samadhis, kundalini activity, etc., in> Bhagavan's presence that didn't occur when> they were away from him. Isn't this> something useful that only a living Guru can> provide? If by ‘living’ embodied is meant then surely that is simply an enforcement of the ‘I am the body idea’. Guru is eternal. Surrender is the key to eternity. In the presence of the Sage, indeed, there appears to be less mindstuff. However when mindstuff dissipates, everywhere is the presence of the Sage. Avadhuta's story shows us that, for one surrendered to the Lord, all is the Lord's Grace, all is the Lord's diksha (whether seen as human or otherwise). There is never any intervention, as such. The real teacher is one's very own Self. To believe otherwise is like joining the stars to make a picture. As for Bhagavan's presence, the presence of the Self, it is as vibrant now as it has always been. Can it be limited by time or space? Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Milesp.s. An Upanisad says: ‘If one is fit to judge the fitness of a guru then surely one is indeed guru already.’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Miles, can you please say something more about shabdapurvayoga? >You have> mentioned it several times - at other places also. Is it a certain >form of exercise? Bhartrhari has stated that Grammar is the straight road for those who would attain liberation in Brahman. The twentieth century Sage of Arunacala, Ramana Maharsi, a proponent of ajatavada, similarly referred to the discipline of atmavicara as the straight path to Self-Realisation. As we have seen, the essence of Bhartrhari’s method is indeed atmavicara. Bhartrhari’s insistence that any appearance of parts is simply a fiction, at all levels of the language system, mark him as an uncompromising non-dualist. This analysis may at times be considered by some as beyond reason and this is an important point. Buddhi stands at the doorway to liberation. Turning one way buddhi, ‘in the form of the enjoyer, that which is enjoyed, and the enjoyment,’ wanders, discriminates and rationalises a sequential description of the empirical world view. Multiple views dependent on ahamkara [‘I’-maker, ego] are then observed. Although undifferentiated it (Brahman) behaves as if differentiated because of its (denotative) potentials. Turning the other way buddhi stops dead in its tracks and Brahman shines forth in undifferentiated splendour as always. His philosophy does not negate the empirical world but rather returns it to its rightful place as an uncaused appearance in Brahman. In this his philosophy is synonymous with that of the ajatavadin. ....There are ten ‘concepts’ for attaining Brahman. These are linked to the techniques of sabdapUrvayoga. Iyer, along with others, has expressed doubt as to whether these are ...ten different conceptions of moksa or ten different aspects of the Grammarian’s concept of moksa. (Iyer, 1992; 139). It seems clear, however, that these are indeed Bhartrhari’s own ideas which all have the common theme of attainment of the Supreme Self as their substance. The first is a straightforward statement to the effect that one who desires liberation must cut the knot (granthi) of the ego (ahamkara). The rest are simply re-statements of this primary one. They speak of merging with the Original Source, withdrawal of the senses from their objects, inner joy without the aid of external means, knowing nothing except the Self, desiring nothing but the Self, interest in the inner Self, possession of all powers, non-intervention of time in the individual self, and finally negation of self. (exerpted from: An Exploration of the Metaphysical Rationale at the Heart of Bhartrhari’s Vakyapadiya (‘Grammar as the door to liberation, a Problem for the Modern Scholar?’) Miles Wright; 2000, Edinburgh University) Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya Dear group members, My mail to Sri Miles sent a few days ago has some serious errors. I regret these errors which reflect a lack of shraddha. I seek your forgivance.Here are some corrections.My earlier mail to Sri Miles reads as follows: > Dear Sri Miles, > Thank you for this wonderful elucidation. Notwithstanding the fact I have heard and read about >SabdapUrvayoga since you described it more than two years ago, I feel that only today my >understanding has made some progress.< >When Sri Miles had referred to SabdapUrvayoga a few years ago, I was under the impression >that it is one of the yogas expounded in the past. I must have made occassional and sporadic >attempts to find out more about it. >When I attempt to recollect with some effort all I am able to recall is that I got read about >Sabdabrahman and about pUrvamimASa. I don't think I came across any direct reference to >SabdapUrvayoga. Trying to locate the sources from where I got to read the above, I find that the >first and only references to SabdapUrvayoga are the mails of Sri Miles. [so what exactly is sabdapUrvayoga...?] ~~~~End of Sequence 2~~~~ [...To be continued] Siva—Siva Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release 11/03/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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