Overbearing Guilt - Thanks

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Dear John & Harsha;

 

Thanks for your emails and reply to my questions.

 

Surrender is as crucial and equal as Self Inquiry

specially for one who cannot do Self Inquiry.

 

I will pass this on.

 

In Sri Arunachala,

Zoya.

 

 

--- John <ramanachala wrote:

 

> Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaaya...

>

> Thanks, Harsha. I've taken the liberty of posting

> the contents of the link you quoted.

>

> It's a very haunting passage, carried here in the

> Heart at all times.

>

> anbudan

> John

> Siva-Siva

>

> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

> "The man started moaning and crying even more, as if

> his heart were breaking.

>

>

> "All my hopes of salvation are gone. You were my

> last refuge and you say you have nothing to do with

> me! To whom shall I turn now? What am I to do? To

> whom am I to go?"

>

>

> Bhagavan watched him for some time and said, "Am I

> your guru that I should be responsible for your

> salvation? Have I ever said that I am your master?"

>

>

> "If you are not my master, then who is? And who are

> you, if not my master? You are my guru, you are my

> guardian angel, you will pity me and release me from

> my sins!" He started sobbing and crying again.

>

>

> We all sat silent, overcome with pity. Only Bhagavan

> looked alert and matter-of-fact.

>

>

> Bh: "If I am your guru, what are my fees? Surely you

> should pay me for my services."

>

>

> D: "But you won't take anything," cried the visitor.

> "What can I give you?"

>

>

> Bh: "Did I ever say that I don't take anything? And

> did you ever ask me what you can give me?"

>

>

> D: "If you would take, then ask me. There is nothing

> I would not give you."

>

>

> Bh: "All right. Now I am asking. Give me. What will

> you give me ?"

>

>

> D: "Take anything, all is yours."

>

>

> Bh: "Then give me all the good you have done in this

> world."

>

>

> D: "What good could I have done? I have not a single

> virtue to my credit"

>

>

> Bh: "You have promised to give. Now give. Don't talk

> of your credit. Just give away all the good you have

> done in your past."

>

>

> D: "Yes, I shall give. But how does one give? Tell

> me how the giving is done and I shall give."

>

>

> Bh: "Say like this: 'All the good I have done in the

> past I am giving away entirely to my guru.

> Henceforth I have no merit from it nor have I any

> concern with it.' Say it with your whole heart."

>

>

> D: "All right, Swami, I am giving away to you all

> the good I have done so far, if I have done any, and

> all its good effects. I am giving it to you gladly,

> for you are my master and you are asking me to give

> it all away to you."

>

>

> Bh: "But this is not enough," said Bhagavan sternly.

>

>

> D: "I gave you all I have and all you asked me to

> give. I have nothing more to give."

>

>

> Bh: "No, you have. Give me all your sins."

>

>

> D: The man looked wildly at Bhagavan, terror

> stricken. "You do not know, Swami, what you are

> asking for. If you knew, you would not ask me. If

> you take over my sins, your body will rot and burn.

> You do not know me, you do not know my sins. Please

> do not ask me for my sins." And he wept bitterly.

>

>

> Bh: "I shall look after myself, don't you worry

> about me," said Bhagavan. "All I want from you is

> your sins."

>

>

> For a long time the bargain would not go through.

> The man refused to part with his sins. But Bhagavan

> was adamant.

>

>

> Bh: "Either give me your sins along with your

> merits, or keep both and don't think of me as your

> master."

>

>

> In the end the visitor's scruples broke down and he

> declared: "Whatever sins I have done, they are no

> longer mine. All of them and their results, too,

> belong to Ramana."

>

>

> Bhagavan seemed to be satisfied. "From now on there

> is no good nor bad in you. You are just pure. Go and

> do nothing, neither good nor bad. Remain yourself,

> remain what you are."

>

>

> A great peace fell over the man and over us all. No

> one knows what happened to the fortunate visitor; he

> was never seen in the Ashrama again. He might have

> been in no further need of coming."

>

> -

> "Harsha"

> <RamanaMaharshi>;

> "" <>

> Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:41 AM

> Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Overbearing Guilt

>

>

> > Hi Zoya,

> >

> > I don't think anyone of us can speculate on what

> Bhagavan would say to

> > your friend. Bhagavan was natural and sensed the

> spirit of each person

> > and their circumstances and his reactions were

> based on that.

> ...........>

> >

>

/archive/MagazineV2/harsha/suffering.html#hopes

> >

> > Harsha

> >

> > Zoya wrote:

> >

> >> Hello everyone;

> >>

> >> I was hoping for some guidance. I am helping a

> friend

> >> who has the following questions.

> >>

> >> What would Ramana say to a person who went to him

> and

> >> asked:

> >>

> >> I have done something wrong and because if that

> >> someone else has become sick and is suffering

> severe

> >> emotional pain.

> >>

> >> The effect is permanent.

> >>

> >> I can't handle my sense of guilt and impending

> doom.

> >>

> >> I can't even accept myself anymore.

> >>

> >> I also cannot do self inquiry as I get severly

> >> depressed once I start the Inquiry.

> >>

> >> Please help me?

> >>

> >> "The Self is always realized. Look within and be

> still!

> >> - Bhagavan Sri Ramana

> > >

>

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"The Self is always realized. Look within and be still!

- Bhagavan Sri Ramana