Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dear members, I have problems with meditation. Although I dry to concentrate to ask "who am I" big rush of thoughts comes and meditation will disturb I also wanted to ask about using mantras, I don't use any kind mantras forexample Om, Gayatri etc. because Sri Bhagavan said it have to get permission from Guru to use mantras. So I don't know what to do. I also want to ask is it possible ask about "woke up" experiences in this list? I have heart it is not good to speak own experiences. But if it is so, how to ask quide to go forth in my meditation? Shortly saying I have found I feel my "feeling of being" totally widely than normal wake state, but I don't know from where I would ask about this? But when I meditate I cannot reach same feelings. with best wishes taina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Who meditates? Upon whom? Who gets the big rush of thoughts? Who is disturbed? Is it "me" who meditates, gets thoughts, gets disturbs? Or am I the observer of all this happening? If so, then whats my nature? Again, "Who am I?" Get the clue? Tat tvam asi (You are that) Sachin ---- Taina 06/16/05 16:07:22 RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] Quiding for meditation Dear members,I have problems with meditation. Although I dry to concentrate to ask "who am I" big rush of thoughts comes and meditation will disturbI also wanted to ask about using mantras, I don't use any kind mantras forexample Om, Gayatri etc. because Sri Bhagavan said it have to get permission from Guru to use mantras.So I don't know what to do.I also want to ask is it possible ask about "woke up" experiences in this list? I have heart it is not good to speak own experiences. But if it is so, how to ask quide to go forth in my meditation? Shortly saying I have found I feel my "feeling of being" totally widely than normal wake state, but I don't know from where I would ask about this?But when I meditate I cannot reach same feelings.with best wishestaina Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerOur Shortcut URL: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi<a href="http://technorati.com/tag/ramanamaharshi" rel="tag">ramanamaharshi</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dear Taina, nice to see you again after a long time. Problems with sadhana may be normal until it becomes a natural flow. In the beginning mind refuses and becomes even more engaged - so mind has to become used to it slowly and with patience. Ramana says that it is like the cow who likes to roam about, but then slowly becomes used to the stall with fine grass. Similar there is this nice squirrel-story: The young squirrels fell out of their nest again and again - and Ramana put them up again and again and set them back into their nest. So it is with sadhana. As about using mantras - Ramana Himself gave the powerful Ramana mantra "om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya". Many devotees use it. If done with full attention it is surely a door to vichara. So far from here. Kind Regards Gabriele Yes, it can be problematic to speak about experiences on open forums. Yet the forums should also be there for being helpful. As about the waking-up experience: are you saying that in that short moment there is a wide feeling of being, which you can't reach during meditation and you don't know how to reach it with sadhana? Is this the question? - Taina RamanaMaharshi Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:28 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Quiding for meditation Dear members,I have problems with meditation. Although I dry to concentrate to ask "who am I" big rush of thoughts comes and meditation will disturbI also wanted to ask about using mantras, I don't use any kind mantras forexample Om, Gayatri etc. because Sri Bhagavan said it have to get permission from Guru to use mantras.So I don't know what to do.I also want to ask is it possible ask about "woke up" experiences in this list? I have heart it is not good to speak own experiences. But if it is so, how to ask quide to go forth in my meditation? Shortly saying I have found I feel my "feeling of being" totally widely than normal wake state, but I don't know from where I would ask about this?But when I meditate I cannot reach same feelings.with best wishestaina Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerOur Shortcut URL: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi<a href="http://technorati.com/tag/ramanamaharshi" rel="tag">ramanamaharshi</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 It is right that any aspirant gets disturbed by rush of thoughts in the beginning. It would be right at that instant to watch the thoughts. It takes effort and practice always to concentrate. But keep trying. Because the path chosen is right and the faith strong. Soon you will find yourself watching the thoughts in a unconcerned way. Then ask Who Am I?. It is right to use Gayathri Mantras etc., but their effect on you mentally and physically differs. Because of this only Maharishi had stressed the importance of getting initiated in particular Mantras by the Guru. You still can repeat Ram Ram or Narayana which will have a soothing effect on your mind. Or as Bhagwan had stressed anyone can go repeating the supreme mantra "I". In the beginning all your efforts are conscious. After a certain period of time it goes on so automatically you get immersed in it. Bhagwan will be there in your efforts. In HIS Grace, Love, Durai. Sachin Chavan <chavansachin (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Who meditates? Upon whom? Who gets the big rush of thoughts? Who is disturbed? Is it "me" who meditates, gets thoughts, gets disturbs? Or am I the observer of all this happening? If so, then whats my nature? Again, "Who am I?" Get the clue? Tat tvam asi (You are that) Sachin ---- Taina 06/16/05 16:07:22 RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] Quiding for meditation Dear members,I have problems with meditation. Although I dry to concentrate to ask "who am I" big rush of thoughts comes and meditation will disturbI also wanted to ask about using mantras, I don't use any kind mantras forexample Om, Gayatri etc. because Sri Bhagavan said it have to get permission from Guru to use mantras.So I don't know what to do.I also want to ask is it possible ask about "woke up" experiences in this list? I have heart it is not good to speak own experiences. But if it is so, how to ask quide to go forth in my meditation? Shortly saying I have found I feel my "feeling of being" totally widely than normal wake state, but I don't know from where I would ask about this?But when I meditate I cannot reach same feelings.with best wishestaina Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerOur Shortcut URL: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi<a href="http://technorati.com/tag/ramanamaharshi" rel="tag">ramanamaharshi</a> Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerOur Shortcut URL: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi<a href="http://technorati.com/tag/ramanamaharshi" rel="tag">ramanamaharshi</a> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Dear Gabriele, It was question. When I woke up suddently I feel feeling of being more widely. Forexample if phone rings I woke up but I don't understand it is phone's voice. I see it only in colorly form in darkness. I only find I am in intense darkness without thoughts, after some time comes thought I am even in this intense darkness, this feeling is different than awake, feeling of being more intense, I feel I fill this darkness, and somehow I don't miss anything else, I don't fear, it is enough I can be in this darkness. And then I woke up totally. In this kind dreamstate just before waking up I am unable to ask "to whom this darkness comes" etc. When I meditate I hope I would reach this samekind feeling but I cannot. taina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 I want to refer to two aspects of your meditation practice: 1. " have problems with meditation. Although I dry to concentrate to ask "who am I" big rush of thoughts comes and meditation will disturb..." 2. But when I meditate I cannot reach same feelings. With regard to number 1, the intellect and thoughts will come. The adivce of some other members is to ask 'who is the one who is experiencing these thoughts?'. I agree with this advice. It is sound advice. But let me clarify the advice for you. If say, in your meditative contemplation of 'who you are' you came up with the thought, 'jee! I forgot to wash the dishes. I need to go to the kitchen and wash the dishes.' Then you can ask yourself, 'who is the one who needs/wants to wash the dishes right now?' This is the same as intending to directly know the one who wants to wash the dishes. Now this is the important bit. So pay attention. The degree to which you are willing to experience the one who wants to wash the dishes is the degree to which your thoughts will cease. The question is, my friend, are you willing to experience, for example, the panic or the frustration of not being perfect in your daily routine? Are you willing to be still and leave this comfort zone of wanting perfection in chores and activity? Meditation will always test you and you know that you are passing the test when thoghts begin to cease; when you can go deeper into the states of being that you have unconsciously resisted. This is called getting present. Welcome to the moment now. And in it may you discover immediate being. With regard to number 2, do not try to reach 'the same feelings' in meditation. This is an error if your intention is to directly know yourself. In direct experience or direct knowing there is no making something happen or preventing something from happening. Approach meditation like a child. Have no preconceived ideas of who you are and pay no attention to past exhalted states of being that you have reached. With innocent and open arms, welcome the truth of you just how it presents in the moment now. Welcome it even if your sense of self is, for example, someone who is angry at the world for pushing you around. Intend to directly know the one who is angry. Be willing to go beyond thoughts into emotions, out of the body, into it again, into the void, into all shapes and forms of infinity, and if you are graced, into direct knowing. With love jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Dear Jim, Thank you very much for good advices. I found I have tried to meditate by force. I have just read again P.B's discussions of Sri Ramana from P.B's book "Searching of secret India" and this touched me again as much than earlier. Also this made me miss touching of visible Guru although Sri Ramana say Guru lives inside, but I am so unmatured person in spirituality and therefore I miss visible Guru. I found out my meditation how it often goes. I fall sometimes thoughtless state but I am not present in this state, I only weakly find I am not in dream, it is somekind emptiness without pictures and thoughts so I have somekind error in this, I can not be present and vigilant, attentive how many teachings advices. I often think would it be helpful to visit in Sri Ramanasramam, to feel Sri Arunachala atmosphere and grace. with love taina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Dear Taina You wrote: "I found out my meditation how it often goes. I fall sometimes thoughtless state but I am not present in this state, I only weakly find I am not in dream, it is somekind emptiness without pictures and thoughts so I have somekind error in this, I can not be present and vigilant, attentive how many teachings advices. I often think would it be helpful to visit in Sri Ramanasramam, to feel Sri Arunachala atmosphere and grace." If you would like to get 'present' in your state of 'emptiness without pictures and thoughts', follow Maharashi's advice. Again inquire, 'Who is the one who is experiencing this emptiness?'. Intend to know this one directly. I tell you that even when you perceive that you have lost yourself in the state of emptiness, there is still an observer. This is the one you intend to directly know. Too much guidance and advice does nobody any good. Follow Maharashi's scriptures, be persistant in your meditation, and your desire for the Truth will take you to your self. Even if you tried, you can not go wrong. with love jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 dear Muhild, Thank you for qiding! I have used mantra Ram Ram Ram and it feld peaceful. I have found when I have listening mantras that they have very strong effect for e. I have listened sprituaal music in which have sung mantras ( Himalyan chants Cd) Also I have listened Taittiriya upanisad chantings and effect is same kind. This chanting of Taittiriya upanishad have recordet in Sri ramanasramam and I have heart also other version about it but this which have recorded in Sri Ramanasramam effect me in most powerful way. One devotee recorded it during his visit in ashram and he burned it into Cd and kindly sent to me. This make me feel very deep missing toward the Self and somehow feeling from ancient times, somekind missing times of ancient India when Sri krishna, Rama were as avatar there. Also I only concentrate listen them and I feel "there is something but I cannot touch it" but I miss the GOD (The SELF) so much I have no words to say it. I don't know why these mantras and chantings effect me so much, just chanted in sanskrit language. I have also found their sound looks like colourly. Sometimes I think would it occasionally better not to listen spiritual chants and mantras/music because then I would not feel this all time being missing in my heart. But I have found this is difficult. Can aspirant listen into Self-enquiry? best wishes taina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Dear Taana, To use listening for inquiry one could ask, "For whom is this listening?" or "Who is listening?" or "Who knows this listening?" Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Taina" <tutteli> wrote: > > > dear Muhild, > > Thank you for qiding! I have used mantra Ram Ram Ram and it feld > peaceful. I have found when I have listening mantras that they have > very strong effect for e. I have listened sprituaal music in which > have sung mantras ( Himalyan chants Cd) Also I have listened > Taittiriya upanisad chantings and effect is same kind. This chanting > of Taittiriya upanishad have recordet in Sri ramanasramam and I have > heart also other version about it but this which have recorded in > Sri Ramanasramam effect me in most powerful way. One devotee > recorded it during his visit in ashram and he burned it into Cd and > kindly sent to me. > > This make me feel very deep missing toward the Self and somehow > feeling from ancient times, somekind missing times of ancient India > when Sri krishna, Rama were as avatar there. Also I only concentrate > listen them and I feel "there is something but I cannot touch it" > but I miss the GOD (The SELF) so much I have no words to say it. > > I don't know why these mantras and chantings effect me so much, just > chanted in sanskrit language. I have also found their sound looks > like colourly. > > Sometimes I think would it occasionally better not to listen > spiritual chants and mantras/music because then I would not feel > this all time being missing in my heart. But I have found this is > difficult. > > Can aspirant listen into Self-enquiry? > > best wishes > > taina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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