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Q: When I meditate I feel a certain bliss at times. On such occasions, should I

ask myself `Who is it that experiences this bliss?'

 

A: If it is the real bliss of the Self that is experienced, that is, if the mind

has really merged in the Self, such a doubt will not arise at all. The question

itself shows real bliss was not reached. All doubts willl cease only when the

doubter and his source have been found. There is no use removing doubts one by

one. If we clear one doubt, another doubt will arise and there will be no end of

doubts. But if, by seeking the source of the doubter, the doubter is found to be

really non-existent, then all doubts will cease.

 

Q: Sometimes I hear internal sounds. What should I do when such things happen?

 

A: Whatever may happen, keep up the enquiry into the self, asking `Who hears

these sounds?' till the reality is reached.

 

Q: Sometimes, while in meditation, I feel blissful and tears come to my eyes. At

other times I do not have them. Why is that?

 

A: Bliss is a thing which is always there and is not something which comes and

goes. That which comes and goes is a creation of the mind and you should not

worry about it.

 

Q: The bliss causes a physical thrill in the body, but when it disappears I feel

dejected and desire to have the experience over again. Why?

 

A: You admit that you were there both when the blissful feeling was experienced

and when it was not. If you realize that `you' properly, those experiences will

be of no account.

 

Q: For realising that bliss, there must be something to catch hold of, mustn't

there?

 

A: There must be a duality if you are to catch hold of something else, but what

is is only the one Self, not a duality. Hence, who is to catch hold of whom? And

what is the thing to be caught?

 

Q: When I reach the thoughtless stage in my sadhana I enjoy a certain pleasure,

but sometimes I also experience a vague fear which I cannot properly describe.

 

A: You may experience anything, but you should never rest content with that.

Whether you feel pleasure or fear, ask yourself who feels the pleasure or the

fear and so carry on the sadhana until pleasure and fear are both transcended,

till all duality ceases and till the reality alone remains. There is nothing

wrong in such things happening or being experienced, but you must never stop at

that. For instance, you must never rest content with the pleasure of laya

(temporary abeyance of the mind) experienced when thought is quelled, you must

press on until all duality ceases.

 

Q: How does one get rid of fear ?

 

A: What is fear ? It is only a thought. If there is anything besides the Self

there is reason to fear. Who sees things separate from the Self ? First the ego

arises and sees objects as external. If the ego does not rise, the Self alone

exists and there is nothing external. For anything external to oneself implies

the existence of the seer within. Seeking it there will eliminate doubt and

fear. Not only fear, all other thoughts centred round the ego will disappear

along with it.

 

 

(From "Be as You Are: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi" Edited by David

Godman, Chapter 16, 'Problems and Experiences' )

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Dear James,

 

I want to very likely share your experiences.

 

I think these experiences are due of devotion.

 

I have been same often "electrical shock feelings" many times.

Expecially when I listen veda chantings, forexample taittiriya

upanisads, shiva music, etc. You said it feel in right side of chest.

These "electrical feelings happens also at night and I wake up from

my dreams then, sometimes they start in middle of dream happenings

and go on after waking and then happens also other things. Somehow

thesekind electrical experiences pull one out of his/her body. Maybe

you have same think! I don't practise anykind practises, only "who

am I" and ""ShivohamI am Shiva", I cannot ant other methods.

 

But I know it is only EGO's working because thesekind experiences

includes subject/object as SRi Ramana says. There is experience and

one who experience. Although inside experience there have no

thoughts, everything only happen.

 

Same happen when I sometimes walk or look indifferently forexample

one point forexample one leave or one point (picture etc)in carpet;

it feels in this way: It happens spontaneously, I only look this

point and same time I feel "I am just now looking this point" and

somehow I have fixed this feeling strongly and same time when I

feel "I am just now..." it feels somehow in right side of the chest,

it beat somehow.

 

When I listen mantras this feeling feel also and it feels like

my "heart would open" when I had big open hole" in my chest and when

music/mantra/chanting is over very strong longing is left. This is so

difficult to image.

 

I have tried to catch this "now"-feeling just looking one points but

it doesn't come then. I have found it happen only itself without

drying nothing. But there is one who feels this "now" moment. So I

think everything experiencing is only EGO working.

 

taina

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