Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Members are asked not to include all of the previous message when replying to posts. Please edit them, as was done with the message below. Thank you for your co-operation. Moderators. -- Nice insights into relevance of Silence/Stillness. Thanks Gopi. In stillness when all disappears What 'still' remains, is 'I' Sachin ---- Gopi Krishna 10/03/05 14:38:42 RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] Meditation - 8 Dear Learned Devotees in the Group, In response to your (the devotees of Ramana, esp. Era and Sachin) love and kind words, I resume posting these questions and answers. Many thanks once again for your kindness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Dear Gopikrishna, Please never stop. Simply invaluable. Very grateful to you. There are many silent readers Rajesh RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] On Behalf Of Gopi Krishna Monday, October 03, 2005 11:30 AM RamanaMaharshi [RamanaMaharshi] Meditation - 8 Dear Learned Devotees in the Group, In response to your (the devotees of Ramana, esp. Era and Sachin) love and kind words, I resume posting these questions and answers. Many thanks once again for your kindness. 33. D: In my meditation, I try to eliminate the wrong ‘I’, but so far without success. M: How can ‘I’ eliminate Self? All you have to do is to find its source and abide in it as your real Self. Your efforts can extend thus far, the Beyond will take care of itself. D: Bhagavan, you always say that the Self is ever present: if I am present then why do I not feel? M: Do you not now feel that you exist? Your doubt is whether you will for ever continue to exist. Why should you have any doubt? A little thinking will convince you that the destructible part of your being, the body, is a mere machine, a tool in the service of the indestructible, the mind, which is the all-in-all, the knower and the master – you yourself. Your doubts and difficulties arise from your thoughts which perceive the body and take it for yourself. Stop the thoughts which are your enemy, the ego, and the mind will remain as your pure being, the immortal ‘I’. 34. D: I am taught that Maha Japan is very potent in practice. M: The Self is the greatest of all mantras, and goes on automatically and eternally. If you are not aware of this internal mantram, you should take to do it consciously, as japan, which is attended with efforts to ward of all other thoughts. By constant attention to it you will eventually become aware of the internal mantra, which is the state of Realisation, and is effortless. Firmness in this awareness through repeated practice will make your mind hold on uninterruptedly and effortlessly to the current, however much you may be absorbed in external activities. Listening to Veda chanting and other similar mantras has the same result as conscious repetitions and japan – its rhythm is the japam. 35. D: How to prevent falling asleep in meditation? M: Sleep must be gotten rid of, for the natural state has to be obtained consciously in jagrat, the waking state. Waking and sleeping are mere pictures on the screen of the native, thought-free state. 36. D: I am a beginner in meditation, and pray to Bhagavan to guide me. You exhort us to go on enquiring ‘Who am I?’ May I know where it will lead me? M: It is not mere asking; you must go to the meaning of it. Many meditate on certain centres in the body till they merge in them, but sooner or later they will have to enquire into their own nature, which is unavoidable. Then why not straightaway concentrate on yourself till you merge in its source? D: Yes, for twenty years I have been concentrating on certain charkas and have been seeing things and hearing sounds, but I got nowhere nearer the Truth. Now shall I go on asking ‘Who am I?’ as soon as a thought arises in the mind? M: Quite so. As long as you are not disturbed by outside thoughts dwell on its meaning. The aim is to reach undisturbed the root of the ‘II’-sense. 37. D: Does the enquiry ‘Who am I?’ lead to any spot in the body? M: All self-consciousness is in relation to the individual himself, and therefore has to be experienced in his being, with a centre in the body as the centre of experience. It resembles the dynamo of a machine, which gives rise to all sorts of electrical works. Not only does it maintain the life of the body and the activities of all its parts and organs, conscious and unconscious, but also the relation between the physical and the subtler planes on which the individual functions. Also like the dynamo it vibrates, and can be felt by the calm mind that pays attention to it. It is known to the yogis and seekers by the name ‘sphurana’, which heart-throb ever scintillates with consciousness in the natural state. D: How to reach the centre, where what you call ‘The Consciousness’ – the ‘I’ – ‘I’ – arises? Is it by simply thinking “Who am I?” M: Yes, it will take you up. You must do it with a calm mind – mental calmness is essential. D: How does that consciousness manifest itself when that centre – the Heart – is reached? Will I recognise it? M: Certainly, as pure consciousness, free from all thoughts. It is pure unbroken awareness of your Self, rather of pure Being – there is no mistaking it when pure. D: Is the vibratory movement of the Centre felt simultaneously with the experience of Pure Consciousness, or before or after it? M: They are both one and the same. But Sphurana can be felt in a subtle way even when meditation has sufficiently stabilised and deepened, and the Ultimate Consciousness is very near, or during a sudden great fright or shock, when the mind comes to a standstill. It draws attention to itself, so that the meditator’s mind, rendered sensitive by calmness, may become aware of it, gravitate towards it , and finally plunge into the Self. 38. D: How to check the mind? M: Will a thief hand over a thief? Will the mind find itself? The mind cannot seek the mind. You have ignored what is real and are holding on to the mind which is unreal and also try to find what it is. Was there mind in your sleep? It was not. It is now here. It is, therefore, impermanent. Can the mind be found by you? Mind is not you. You think you are the mind, and, therefore, ask me how it is checked. If it is there, it can be checked. But it is not. Understand this truth by search. Search of unreality is useless. Therefore, seek the reality, i.e., the Self. That is the way to rule over the mind. There is only one thing real. The others are only appearances. Diversity is not its nature. We are reading the printed characters on paper but ignore the paper which is the background. Similarly you are taken up by the manifestations of mind and do not hold the background. Whose fault is it? The essence of the mind is only awareness or consciousness. When the ego, however, dominates it, it functions as the reasoning, thinking or sensing faculty. The cosmic mind, being not limited by the ego, has nothing separate from itself and is, therefore, only aware. 39. D: How is one to be aware of the cosmic mind? M: Hold the mind firmly and trace it back. By concentration mouna results. When practice becomes natural it will end in mouna. Meditation without mental activity is mouna. Merging of mind in its source is meditation; deep meditation; deep meditation is eternal speech. > I really appreciate Gopi's seva for us by posting > valuable these verses. > > Thank You, In His Love, > Era > > > I am deeply helped by these postings of yours. > Thanks a ton and please > continue if you can. The 7th posting was very > cooling. > > Sachin > ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Go to http://.shaadi.com Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Our Shortcut URL: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi <a href="http://technorati.com/tag/ramanamaharshi" rel="tag">ramanamaharshi</a> _____ * Visit your group "RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi> " on the web. * RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi?subject=Un> * <> Terms of Service. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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