Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 I was having a related doubt. In the various books, it says that as an alternative to "Who Am I", we can use the "I-I". What is this double "I"? Does it just mean that I say "I" twice each time? So this IS like a chant. On 10/15/05 7:14 AM, "dannyc_1eyeluv" <dannyc_1eyeluv wrote: > > "If you find the vichara marga [the path of self-enquiry] too hard, > you can go on repeating 'I', 'I', and that will lead you to same goal. > There is no harm in using 'I' as a mantra. It is the first name of > God." (19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Dear Dannyc, I suspect that for many of our questions along these lines we need to continue to reflect on Sri Ramana's teachings, perhaps experiment a little, and listen to the Heart for the answer, or for confirmation. Peter Hello, to all: I have a question concerning Sri Ramana's japa instruction (see below for quote). Can the mantra "'I', 'I'" be done in English or must it be in Sanskrit, i.e. "'Aham', 'aham'"? Or, does it make any difference either way? yours, dannyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 I would suspect that the "I" is that which is, and the "I" is that which is not. The "I" is the real, and the "I" is that which is unreal. The "I" is that which is permanant, and the "I" is that which is impermanant. There is no "I", all that which exists is "I". Ibrahim. RamanaMaharshi, "Peter" <not_2@b...> wrote: > > > Dear Dannyc, > > I suspect that for many of our questions along these lines we need to > continue to reflect on Sri Ramana's teachings, perhaps experiment a little, > and listen to the Heart for the answer, or for confirmation. > > Peter > > > > > Hello, to all: > > I have a question concerning Sri Ramana's japa instruction (see below > for quote). Can the mantra "'I', 'I'" be done in English or must it be > in Sanskrit, i.e. "'Aham', 'aham'"? Or, does it make any difference > either way? > > yours, > > dannyc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hi folks, my $0.02: The mental repetition of "I,I" is just a device for those whose minds have trouble being fixed in the subtle first person subjective consciousness of I (which is normal for people new to meditation/yoga). It has no philosophical significance or hidden meaning. I means I. When you think or repeat the word I, it automatically invokes the experience of I. Repeating the word is a method of maintaining an awareness of the experience of I in and out of activity. When you get a deeper familiarity with the feeling, the word can be dropped and you can focus on investigating the feeling. In time the feeling melts into pure being. Therefore one should use the word I in one's native language. The reference to I being a name of God is because he is addressing Hindus who define japa as the repetition of the name of God so he is simply providing a philosophical bridge in order that they may clear their doubts and enter the practice. N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 IS is is and isnot ISNOT is not IS but only ISNOT. --- "Ibrahim." <konyatogo wrote: > I would suspect that the "I" is that which is, and > the "I" is that > which is not. The "I" is the real, and the "I" is > that which is > unreal. The "I" is that which is permanant, and the > "I" is that which > is impermanant. There is no "I", all that which > exists is "I". > > Ibrahim. > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Peter" > <not_2@b...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dannyc, > > > > I suspect that for many of our questions along > these lines we need > to > > continue to reflect on Sri Ramana's teachings, > perhaps experiment a > little, > > and listen to the Heart for the answer, or for > confirmation. > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > Hello, to all: > > > > I have a question concerning Sri Ramana's japa > instruction (see > below > > for quote). Can the mantra "'I', 'I'" be done in > English or must it > be > > in Sanskrit, i.e. "'Aham', 'aham'"? Or, does it > make any difference > > either way? > > > > yours, > > > > dannyc > > > > > > > > > atmanyevaatmanaa tushtah stithaprajnastadochyathe. Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 You might want to look at: http://davidgodman.org/rteach/iandii1.shtml As for me, Sri Ramana says that the spiritual heart is the centre of consciousness and this heart throbs as "I - I", just similar to the physical heart. ramaNArpaNamastu On 10/18/05, Subramanyam Rajagopal M.D. <shivoham13 wrote: > IS is is and isnot > ISNOT is not IS > but only ISNOT. > > > --- "Ibrahim." <konyatogo wrote: > > > I would suspect that the "I" is that which is, and > > the "I" is that > > which is not. The "I" is the real, and the "I" is > > that which is > > unreal. The "I" is that which is permanant, and the > > "I" is that which > > is impermanant. There is no "I", all that which > > exists is "I". > > > > Ibrahim. > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Peter" > > <not_2@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dannyc, > > > > > > I suspect that for many of our questions along > > these lines we need > > to > > > continue to reflect on Sri Ramana's teachings, > > perhaps experiment a > > little, > > > and listen to the Heart for the answer, or for > > confirmation. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, to all: > > > > > > I have a question concerning Sri Ramana's japa > > instruction (see > > below > > > for quote). Can the mantra "'I', 'I'" be done in > > English or must it > > be > > > in Sanskrit, i.e. "'Aham', 'aham'"? Or, does it > > make any difference > > > either way? > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > dannyc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atmanyevaatmanaa tushtah stithaprajnastadochyathe. > > > > > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music./unlimited/ > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Our Shortcut URL: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > <a href="http://technorati.com/tag/ramanamaharshi" > rel="tag">ramanamaharshi</a> > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Visit your group "RamanaMaharshi" on the web. > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > > ________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Ramana spoke in Tamil, a language which has no word equivalent to "me". Hence Ramana uses "I" to denote the individual self-"me" and I-I to denote the Universal Self. It is not the verbal chanting but the listening to the un-uttered rhythm of the Self, which is both within and without. Which IS, when all thoughts have abated. Including the thought "now all thoughts have abated" Just like the self-equiry is not the uttering of the words 'Who am I" but a delving as an unarticulated question, to whom did the arising thought of the moment,occur to. Including the very thought in the form of the question "Who am I". In the Grace, whose another name is Ramana Avril --- gautam <oneness.univ wrote: > I was having a related doubt. In the various books, > it says that as an > alternative to "Who Am I", we can use the "I-I". > What is this double "I"? > Does it just mean that I say "I" twice each time? So > this IS like a chant. > > > On 10/15/05 7:14 AM, "dannyc_1eyeluv" > <dannyc_1eyeluv wrote: > > > > "If you find the vichara marga [the path of > self-enquiry] too hard, > > you can go on repeating 'I', 'I', and that will > lead you to same goal. > > There is no harm in using 'I' as a mantra. It is > the first name of > > God." (19) > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Thanks to everyone who responded to the "'I', 'I'" question. Every response was insightful & stimulating & unique. i give up. i just throw myself at the feet of the Lord & depend on His Grace. Whenever i try to do it myself, I screw it up. Sri Ramana said there are 2 ways: self enquiry or surrender. i tried self enquiry. Now, I surrender. He said both lead to the same place. Lord Krsna also says this in the Bhagavad Gita. Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya yours, dannyc "O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode." (Bhagavad Gita, 18.62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 On 10/19/05 6:25 PM, "dannyc_1eyeluv" <dannyc_1eyeluv wrote: > > i give up. i just throw myself at the feet of the Lord & depend on His > Grace. May I share a little bit with you ... Everyday I sit in front of Ramana's photograph, and sing to him, and completely surrender whatever is left, at His feet. Usually at the end of this I am either left with a sudden insight into some truth or reality (like a line from the Gita or a Sutra). On others days brimming with emotion, I write my feeling down as they come. Since your brought up this topic of surrender, I hesitantly share some outpourings of today - the emotions and faith I felt were wonderful! " Dear Beloved Father-Mother Ramana, World Honored One, As long as there is man in this world, as long as there is suffering, your words and even your memory will bring enlightenment to them, and end all suffering. Those who read your words will realize the Self, those who take your name with love will be one with you instantly and realize the Brahman, those who remember you will feel your limitless love instantly and be fully enlightened, those who see in you their mother and father will love you in all their lives, and receive your infinite love and blessing in all their lives and never be apart from you. Your merest recollection, even the most accidental encounter with your image or taking of your name will give untold blessings to the person and lead him to the path of self-realization in the same life. You are the final and greatest and most certain destroyer of all sorrow and suffering, you are the final and greatest and most certain giver of limitless joy and bliss. You are the beginning and the end and all between. There is no other. Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya! Om Namo Shivaya! " In the above lines, I express my *complete* belief that Ramana's influence will be like that of the Buddha, growing for millennia, enlightening many many thousands of people all over the world. "Final" above only means that God may never have to send another messenger, or create another Ramana, although that's up to Him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Mahatman, I have also an experience.I visited Maharsh's ashram at Arunachalam in July 2005.When I was meditating in the great samadhi hall suddenly I can realise maharshi's presence but I can see only his right hand and his walking stick only.I felt very happy that maharshi is with me. The divine power may protect you. Unnikrishnan.G gautam <oneness.univ wrote: On 10/19/05 6:25 PM, "dannyc_1eyeluv" <dannyc_1eyeluv wrote: > > i give up. i just throw myself at the feet of the Lord & depend on His > Grace. May I share a little bit with you ... Everyday I sit in front of Ramana's photograph, and sing to him, and completely surrender whatever is left, at His feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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